Pope Francis Raises Idea of ‘Solutions’ to Clergy Celibacy

[martybegan]

I agree

I think it is more about sexual hangups in the church

11th commandment: Sex is dirty

Unrestrained sex is a distraction, not dirty. Within the bounds of a monogamous relationship its just fine.

What is distracting about unrestrained sex?

It pulls you away from other things in life, like responsibility. A better term would be consequence free sex. Just look what it has done to minority families and neighborhoods.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I've read pieces about this in half a dozen Catholic-related websites - to include the Vatican News Service - and it appears he is floating a trial balloon to see how the cardinals and bishops deal with this.

It's been going on for centuries so I don't see any overnight changes.

But, I think it will be changed and we will someday see married priests.

They could go with the Orthodox model, where priests can marry, but only unmarried ones can become bishops etc.

Interesting to note that most of them don't allow marriage AFTER ordination, only before.

Bingo.

But the amount of church authority invested in single priests is huge.

The Roman Catholic concept of the priest is that he is married to Christ, and a lot of theology collapses if you allow for all priests to marry. Perhaps restricting the church hierarchy to single priests would allow for a compromise.

In a society like ours, submerged with sexually provocative media at every turn, being a single priest is a big thing to ask. And yet the parishes that are run by conservative Roman Catholic bishops that emphasize a life-time of sacrifice to the church get the BIGGEST number of volunteers for the priestly life.

The libtards just cant process that whole idea; some people WANT to sacrifice their life to God.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Reportedly? Time printed an article with no notes or authentication based strictly on the memory of a 90 year old Italian publisher? They must be desperate.

Good point:

The Pope spoke with well-known atheist Eugenio Scalfari, the 90-year-old founder of La Repubblica, who relied on memory and did not record or take notes during their multiple conversations.

In response, the Vatican commended Scalfari for bringing out “the sense and spirit of the conversation” but noted that the interview was not of a proper or accurate transcript and questioned if the article’s format was “forgetfulness or [an] explicit recognition that a manipulation is taking place for the more naive readers?”

Libtards cling to any straw to save their world view that is collapsing around them daily.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There is no reason not to allow priests to marry other than tradition

Marriage will allow priests to live normal lives, give them insight into the married lives of parishioners and encourage future generations of children to become priests ( my father was a priest)

The church quit allowing priests to marry so that when they die, their possessions will be left to the church. It has to do with greed, not religion.

Bingo! It was a way for the church to pad its coffers even more. Time for it to end.

The church has survived the hatred of Jacobin pervs like you many times and will survive it many times more.

Don't you have some glory holes calling you?

 

[JimBowie1958]

(1) The RC Church has had some married priests in recent memory - Men who were Episcopal or Anglican priests and converted, and were allowed to take RC vows as diocesan priests. The world did not end.

(2) It is inevitable that the RC Church will one day have married priests, but they will not be priests who got married, but rather married men who became priests.

(3) The RC Church believes that the sacrament of Holy Orders is a permanent ordination, that lasts a lifetime. Thus, there are many, many men who were priests, quit, and later got married. For better or worse, they are still priests and can still administer the sacraments, though without the Church's "blessing."

(4) The biggest impediment to allowing married priests now is inertia. Where and how would they live? What about their wives and kids? Could they have outside "jobs" to earn their living? A lot of practical issues. Also, the men who are currently priests who consider that they GAVE UP a life that they would have liked may feel like they have been betrayed.

(5) Through celibacy, the Church has unintentionally and unwittingly created a life environment that is quite friendly to homosexuals and pedophiles. Although there are no hard numbers available - for obvious reasons - it is likely that the percentage of priests who are "gay" is many times the percentage in the general population - maybe 15-20%.

In the West, but not the Third world which is where the majority of Roman Catholics now abide. You should break away from the outdated view of Roman Catholicism as western. It is not any more.

(6) Women priests are also inevitable, and will quickly follow the reforms that will permit married priests. But it may be too late to salvage an institution that is slowly becoming irrelevant.

There will never be Roman Catholic female priests for the reasons given above. The Roman Catholic Church now correctly sees its future as being Third World, and thus Third World notions of femininity and patriarchy are far more important to it than western neoMarxist critical thought which is essentially antichristian anyway.

I do think that many western Roman Catholics will split off and form a new denomination that will become sort of what main stream Protestantism would have been had it not been taken over by the New Left. But it will die out too in a few generations like the Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Congregationalists of our generation.

By 2100 there will be two predominate world religions, Islam and Roman Catholicism with a large minority of Eastern Orthodox between them. Protestantism will exist only as rump, burned out evangelical and Pentecostal churches that few bother with any more.

A well deserved death to an abominable set of heresies.

 

[JoeB131]

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Paul was a person of gnostic/monastic bent, and saw denial of sexual desire as a method of becoming closer to God. He did however recognize that this was not possible for all people, and instructed those to could not or even should not to keep it in marriage.

Also, you are cherry picking specific lines out of context, and you know it.

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

 

[JimBowie1958]

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Paul was a person of gnostic/monastic bent, and saw denial of sexual desire as a method of becoming closer to God. He did however recognize that this was not possible for all people, and instructed those to could not or even should not to keep it in marriage.

Also, you are cherry picking specific lines out of context, and you know it.

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

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Paul was a person of gnostic/monastic bent, and saw denial of sexual desire as a method of becoming closer to God. He did however recognize that this was not possible for all people, and instructed those to could not or even should not to keep it in marriage.

Also, you are cherry picking specific lines out of context, and you know it.

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

Actually, a lot of scholars question it.

The End is Nigh – for Jesus, that is

 

[JimBowie1958]

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

Actually, a lot of scholars question it.

The End is Nigh – for Jesus, that is

There are a lot of ideological shit-for-brains that will question it for the attention and purchasing power of idiots like you, but no one seriously questions this any more.

Even Wikipedia for ***** sake agrees; Jesus lived and there is no serious scholarship that doubts it.

What you are reading is merely stupid bullshit for idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

Despite arguments put forward by authors who have questioned the existence of a historical Jesus, there remains a nearly universal consensus agreement among historical-critical biblical scholarship that Jesus lived,[7][8][9][10][11][12][13] but they differ about the accuracy of the accounts of his life.

 

[I.P.Freely]

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Paul was a person of gnostic/monastic bent, and saw denial of sexual desire as a method of becoming closer to God. He did however recognize that this was not possible for all people, and instructed those to could not or even should not to keep it in marriage.

Also, you are cherry picking specific lines out of context, and you know it.

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

The Roman Catholic concept of the priest is that he is married to Christ, what like a gay marriage ?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

The Roman Catholic concept of the priest is that he is married to Christ, what like a gay marriage ?

Don't you have a bridge to go crawl under, troll?

Piss off, I.P.

 

[Peach]

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Paul was a person of gnostic/monastic bent, and saw denial of sexual desire as a method of becoming closer to God. He did however recognize that this was not possible for all people, and instructed those to could not or even should not to keep it in marriage.

Also, you are cherry picking specific lines out of context, and you know it.

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Yes.

 

[Sallow]

Maybe the church can help convince others that male sex drives are innate and not a perversion.

Fat chance. Religion's purpose mostly is to force people to conform. Not necessarily a bad thing, many people need conformity. But losing the ability to guilt you into submission is a huge bit too let go of.

then you really mean the Church's goal is to get you to submit.

Well yeah.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

 

[JoeB131]

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There are a lot of ideological shit-for-brains that will question it for the attention and purchasing power of idiots like you, but no one seriously questions this any more.

Even Wikipedia for ***** sake agrees; Jesus lived and there is no serious scholarship that doubts it.

What you are reading is merely stupid bullshit for idiots.

You mean after 2000 years of burning people at the stake for not believing in Jesus, we are finally getting people to ask the silly questions like, "If Jesus existed, why are the only accounts of him written by people who never met him personally, and plagarized off of each other.

Someone coming back from the Dead, that's actually kind of a big deal. So how come no one else but the Christians talk about it?

 

[I.P.Freely]

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

The Roman Catholic concept of the priest is that he is married to Christ, what like a gay marriage ?

Don't you have a bridge to go crawl under, troll?

Piss off, I.P.

nah blowie, around here they are packed with defrocked kiddie fiddling priests.
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[Peach]

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There are a lot of ideological shit-for-brains that will question it for the attention and purchasing power of idiots like you, but no one seriously questions this any more.

Even Wikipedia for ***** sake agrees; Jesus lived and there is no serious scholarship that doubts it.

What you are reading is merely stupid bullshit for idiots.

You mean after 2000 years of burning people at the stake for not believing in Jesus, we are finally getting people to ask the silly questions like, "If Jesus existed, why are the only accounts of him written by people who never met him personally, and plagarized off of each other.

Someone coming back from the Dead, that's actually kind of a big deal. So how come no one else but the Christians talk about it?

Reincarnation is a belief of several faiths on this earth.

 

[JoeB131]

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There are a lot of ideological shit-for-brains that will question it for the attention and purchasing power of idiots like you, but no one seriously questions this any more.

Even Wikipedia for ***** sake agrees; Jesus lived and there is no serious scholarship that doubts it.

What you are reading is merely stupid bullshit for idiots.

You mean after 2000 years of burning people at the stake for not believing in Jesus, we are finally getting people to ask the silly questions like, "If Jesus existed, why are the only accounts of him written by people who never met him personally, and plagarized off of each other.

Someone coming back from the Dead, that's actually kind of a big deal. So how come no one else but the Christians talk about it?

Reincarnation is a belief of several faiths on this earth.

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[Peach]

Paul invented Christianity. You didn't think that Jesus guy was a real person, did you?

Lol, yes, Jesus was a real person and modern scholarship no longer even questions that FACT, dumbass.

The Roman Catholic concept of the priest is that he is married to Christ, what like a gay marriage ?

Actually, NUNS are married to Christ, priests foresake earthly bonds for God. And Hitchens is dead, Dawkins MAY be hedging his bets (99% sure God does not exist.)

 

[Inevitable]

Maybe the church can help convince others that male sex drives are innate and not a perversion.

Fat chance. Religion's purpose mostly is to force people to conform. Not necessarily a bad thing, many people need conformity. But losing the ability to guilt you into submission is a huge bit too let go of.

Sounds like government too

They share much in common.

 

[FJO]

This Pope is no dope, he is the Pope of hope.

Give him some slack on the rope.

Let him grope, but don't let him mope.

Don't let him slide on the slippery slope.