POLL: ‘Progressive’ Is The Most Positively Viewed Political Label in America

[Full-Auto]

If you say Progressives are communists, you mark yourself as a total moron. ty

If you deny progressives and communists have the same goals and tactics, you're a total moron and a leftist -- pardon the redundancy.

You're wrong. Progressives are not Communists. The definition of neither word is "what Dave doesn't like."

Yawn.................

» US Communist Leader: ‘Progressive Change Is Closer than We Think’ - Big Government

I want to hold your hand, was a song. Ah democrats and new heights.

 

[Dragon]

» US Communist Leader: ‘Progressive Change Is Closer than We Think’ - Big Government

That absolutely makes Ron Paul a Nazi, then:

Adam Holland: Neo-Nazi Support for Ron Paul

Come on, can we knock off this silliness already? The Cold War ended 20 years ago. Red Scares were never justifiable and now they don't even work anymore.

 

[The Infidel]

As a proud conservative why do you object to being called a fascist?

Because liberals are fascists. The liberal economic program is identical to the fascist program.

So now you're an economic determinist. Wouldn't that make you a Marxist?

You obviously dont know history.

Im NO marxist

 

[Dragon]

You obviously dont know history.

Im NO marxist

That was addressed to Bripat. And you obviously don't know sarcasm when you see it.

I know you're not a Marxist. We have no Marxists on this board. Still, calling someone a "Marxist" because he believes in economic determinism (one, but certainly not the most important, of Marx's core assumptions) is no sillier than calling someone a "fascist" because he believes in government regulation of the economy (one common, but certainly not a defining or even objectionable, characteristic of fascist states).

It's also a characteristic of fascist states that the people living in them breathe. That's not defining, either.

 

[The Infidel]

You obviously dont know history.

Im NO marxist

That was addressed to Bripat. And you obviously don't know sarcasm when you see it.

I know you're not a Marxist. We have no Marxists on this board. Still, calling someone a "Marxist" because he believes in economic determinism (one, but certainly not the most important, of Marx's core assumptions) is no sillier than calling someone a "fascist" because he believes in government regulation of the economy (one common, but certainly not a defining or even objectionable, characteristic of fascist states).

It's also a characteristic of fascist states that the people living in them breathe. That's not defining, either.

My bad....

 

[mudwhistle]

To progress toward more fairness and intelligence, and turn away again from greed, lies, suffering, and Republicanism. See sig.

Liberalism has been character assassinated by the Pub propaganda machine for twenty-five years, so it's not surprising the dupes are less approving.

Coincidentally, the approval number for socialism is also the number of Americans who know what it is (Nowadays, "social democracy", fair regulation to protect the citizens from the cruelty of savage capitalism- in other word's we already have it, just a stupid version running on default GOP lines)...

Liberals, socialists, progressives,......whatever they're calling themselves, have only themselves to blame for their bad image.

Prime examples are Maxine Waters, Rosie O'Donnell, Nancy Pelosi, Van Jones, Harry Reid, the girls on "The View".........

They keep opening their mouths and removing all doubt.

If it walks like a duck.....

 

[Dragon]

Liberals, socialists, progressives,......whatever they're calling themselves, have only themselves to blame for their bad image.

When a concerted effort lasting decades has been made by experts to make "liberal" a bad word, and the same effort is now being made with "progressive," the most you can say is that the targets do share some of the blame (for not countering it effectively if nothing else). They are certainly not the ONLY ones to blame.

 

[mudwhistle]

And up pops another one.

Progressives ranks swelled because Liberal became a dirty word and they felt the label meant they support progress. Actually it means the opposite in the economy. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a Progressive and a Liberatarian except when it comes to the economy, then they're totally opposite.

 

[Dragon]

And up pops another one.

Better accept it, muddy. We're never going to disappear. The desire of the people not to be disposable cogs in the corporate wheel, not to be downtrodden wage-slaves, not to live their lives in servitude to private greed, is just one of those things that's too hard to exterminate. Like cockroaches. Or blackberries.

Progressives ranks swelled because Liberal became a dirty word and they felt the label meant they support progress. Actually it means the opposite in the economy. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a Progressive and a Libertarian except when it comes to the economy, then they're totally opposite.

No, not totally opposite. Progressives and libertarians oppose corporate welfare, and oppose using government force to crack down on labor unions. We also agree about the stupidity of providing corporations with tax breaks to encourage outsourcing. Basically, any time that the government is actively helping the greedy to abuse and exploit the people, progressives (or liberals) and libertarians are in agreement that the government should stop doing that, just as we agree that the government should not infringe the personal liberty of the people directly, e.g. through the criminalization of drugs, unnecessary wars, or violation of civil liberties.

Where we part company is that libertarians are slow to recognize the potential threat to liberty and well-being that corporate greed poses even when the government doesn't directly help it out. Just as the state should protect the people's lives and property against murderers and thieves, so it should protect their lives, livelihoods, and liberty against corporate exploiters. That's our view. Libertarians disagree. But not because they don't agree with us about the motives of the corporate rich: just because they don't think those motives would be empowered to do harm without active government help.

So really, the two philosophies are a lot closer than you might suppose.

 

[Rozman]

The Libs wanted a new package
cause they felt badly about themselves
and how the world viewed them.
Viewed them for what they are.
So presto chango,they are now
called Progressive.That makes it all better.

 

[Cuyo]

Young People More Likely To Favor Socialism Than Capitalism: Pew

Sure they are when they have been lied to...just like you...OWS is a glaring example of mindless zombies.

You're in OWS? I had no idea.

 

[francoHFW]

Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle

I never said it was. The point I made was that people who used to call themselves "liberals" ten years ago now call themselves "progressives" today. Their politics haven't changed...they still believe in the same things they did back then...what's changed is that the electorate became disenchanted with liberal politicians and stopped voting for them. I repeat...you "repackaged" yourselves to try and sell something that wasn't selling anymore. The fact that liberals chose to do that speaks volumes.


Liberalism has been character assassinated for 25 years, but everyone but morons and the terminally greedy or hateful are NOW so sick of the GOP THEY'VE taken on progessive as a mantle. The question is, what the FUQUE is wrong with YOU people?? LOL:
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The young prefer socialism because they know what it is and aren't a bunch of Cold War dinosaurs/dittoheads like you dodos...LOL

 

[daveman]

You're nuts, dittohead. Hoping for your recovery. No, nobody wants communism, just fairness, fool. Change the channel.

Communism is always sold as "fairness", dumbass.

You want something, get off your ass and work for it. Whining about "fairness" (which is just lib-speak for "Give me what I want without me putting forth any effort for it!!") just makes you look like a little *****.

 

[daveman]

If you say Progressives are communists, you mark yourself as a total moron. ty

If you deny progressives and communists have the same goals and tactics, you're a total moron and a leftist -- pardon the redundancy.

You're wrong. Progressives are not Communists. The definition of neither word is "what Dave doesn't like."

Looks like you're a total moron and a leftist, then -- pardon the redundancy

 

[daveman]

Liberals, socialists, progressives,......whatever they're calling themselves, have only themselves to blame for their bad image.

When a concerted effort lasting decades has been made by experts to make "liberal" a bad word, and the same effort is now being made with "progressive," the most you can say is that the targets do share some of the blame (for not countering it effectively if nothing else). They are certainly not the ONLY ones to blame.

The left's concept of countering it effectively (you know, besides calling it "character assassination" ) is what it's always been:

Change the label, not the ideas.

You can wrap a turd in a shiny box with ribbons and bows, but when you open it, it's still a turd.

 

[Samson]

By Josh Dorner on Dec 29, 2011

A new poll from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press out yesterday shows that “progressive” is the most positively viewed political label in America, with 67 percent holding a positive view compared to just 22 percent who view the term negatively:

The poll found that the term progressive is viewed positively by a majority of all partisan groups — including 55 percent of Republicans, 68 percent of Independents, and 76 percent of Democrats.

POLL: 'Progressive' Is The Most Positively Viewed Political Label in America | ThinkProgress

Little Change in Public’s Response to ‘Capitalism,’ ‘Socialism’ | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

to Bad Progressive is just Code for Liberal, which is not nearly as popular

Also, when did Capitalism become a "political label in America?"

 

[HoosierJoe]

Yeah, we can rely on Think Progress to give us the real results.

 

[HoosierJoe]

Also, when did Capitalism become a "political label in America?"

More Think Progress intelligence.

I think they just sat around and made this one up.

 

[The T]

POLL: 'Progressive' Is The Most Positively Viewed Political Label in America | ThinkProgress

Little Change in Public’s Response to ‘Capitalism,’ ‘Socialism’ | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

to Bad Progressive is just Code for Liberal, which is not nearly as popular

Also, when did Capitalism become a "political label in America?"

I think they mislabeled it...perhaps they meant Republicanism?