Poll : Do the Jews hold a valid claim on Greater Israel? Or the 1947 borders? Or any of the other borders arranged in different years?

Do the Jews hold a valid claim on Greater Israel? Or any of the other borders arranged in diff. yrs?


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The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British Government in 1917 during the First World War announcing its support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.

Following Britain's declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, it began to consider the future of Palestine. Within two months a memorandum was circulated to the War Cabinet by a Zionist member, Herbert Samuel, proposing the support of Zionist ambitions to enlist the support of Jews in the wider war. A committee was established in April 1915 by British prime minister H. H. Asquith to determine their policy towards the Ottoman Empire including Palestine. Asquith, who had favoured post-war reform of the Ottoman Empire, resigned in December 1916; his replacement David Lloyd George favoured partition of the Empire. The first negotiations between the British and the Zionists took place at a conference on 7 February 1917 that included Sir Mark Sykes and the Zionist leadership. Subsequent discussions led to Balfour's request, on 19 June, that Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann draft a public declaration. Further drafts were discussed by the British Cabinet during September and October, with input from Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews but with no representation from the local population in Palestine.

By late 1917, the wider war had reached a stalemate, with two of Britain's allies not fully engaged: the United States had yet to suffer a casualty, and the Russians were in the midst of a revolution. A stalemate in southern Palestine was broken by the Battle of Beersheba on 31 October 1917. The release of the final declaration was authorised on 31 October; the preceding Cabinet discussion had referenced perceived propaganda benefits amongst the worldwide Jewish community for the Allied war effort.

The opening words of the declaration represented the first public expression of support for Zionism by a major political power. The term "national home" had no precedent in international law, and was intentionally vague as to whether a Jewish state was contemplated. The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words "in Palestine" meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine. The second half of the declaration was added to satisfy opponents of the policy, who had claimed that it would otherwise prejudice the position of the local population of Palestine and encourage antisemitism worldwide by "stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands". The declaration called for safeguarding the civil and religious rights for the Palestinian Arabs, who composed the vast majority of the local population, and also the rights and political status of the Jewish communities in countries outside of Palestine. The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's wishes and interests should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for the protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights.

The declaration greatly increased popular support for Zionism within Jewish communities worldwide, and became a core component of the British Mandate for Palestine, the founding document of Mandatory Palestine. It indirectly led to the emergence of the State of Israel and is considered a principal cause of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict – often described as the most intractable in the world. Controversy remains over a number of areas, such as whether the declaration contradicted earlier promises the British made to the Sharif of Mecca in the McMahon–Hussein correspondence.

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Early British support​

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Who, especially among warriors, can really be against a people seeking refuge and political campaiging permission for their cause, if their cause is to have a homeland of their own.
Critics, are hereby armed with the counter-question 'a people can stay displaced and thrive, can't they?'
But the rebuttal to that would be : "well, 1939-1945 proved different".

my point is, dear Muslims (and supporters thereof like gipper), whom i'll respect outside borders that are Greater Israel, is that the Israelis have a Biblical Mandate to rule over those lands, and that the violent son of Prophet Mohammed (swt) whose tactics and strategies are far too often used all around the world these days, never had any legitimacy to begin with, precisely because of his primitive brutality.
 


Who, especially among warriors, can really be against a people seeking refuge and political campaiging permission for their cause, if their cause is to have a homeland of their own.
Critics, are hereby armed with the counter-question 'a people can stay displaced and thrive, can't they?'
But the rebuttal to that would be : "well, 1939-1945 proved different".

my point is, dear Muslims (and supporters thereof like gipper), whom i'll respect outside borders that are Greater Israel, is that the Israelis have a Biblical Mandate to rule over those lands, and that the violent son of Prophet Mohammed (swt) whose tactics and strategies are far too often used all around the world these days, never had any legitimacy to begin with, precisely because of his primitive brutality.
All that aside, I would ask do ANY countries hold valid claim over land they expanded into? Why are people focusing solely on Jews?

Look at how the Muslims, not even a “thing” until the 7th century, expanded their territory throughout the Middle East. Look at how they’ve now moved into Europe, turning those countries into Islamic-siding countries.

And finally, Israel is but 0.4% of the land in the Middle East. The fight against them is all due to antisemitism.

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All that aside, I would ask do ANY countries hold valid claim over land they expanded into? Why are people focusing solely on Jews?

Look at how the Muslims, not even a “thing” until the 7th century, expanded their territory throughout the Middle East. Look at how they’ve now moved into Europe, turning those countries into Islamic-siding countries.

And finally, Israel is but 0.4% of the land in the Middle East. The fight against them is all due to antisemitism.

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Before 1948 ... there was no red.

For centuries, control of land has shifted to and fro. It's seems to be a trait of mankind to take recourses for survival. I suppose if the eastern European Khazars want to try their hand at it ... it's no skin off my nose. But if the surrounding nations want to take it back it's not my problem. I have no dog in the fight.

Nevertheless, Zionism is a secular ideology hidden behind some sort of theological garb.
 
Before 1948 ... there was no red.

For centuries, control of land has shifted to and fro. It's seems to be a trait of mankind to take recourses for survival. I suppose if the eastern European Khazars want to try their hand at it ... it's no skin off my nose. But if the surrounding nations want to take it back it's not my problem. I have no dog in the fight.

Nevertheless, Zionism is a secular ideology hidden behind some sort of theological garb.
1) Before 1938, Jews weren’t slaughtered by the millions by antisemites such as you.

2) They deserve 0.4% of the land mass in the Middle East - the very land where they’ve lived for 4000 years. The Arabs can keep the other 99.6%.
 
1) Before 1938, Jews weren’t slaughtered by the millions by antisemites such as you.

2) They deserve 0.4% of the land mass in the Middle East - the very land where they’ve lived for 4000 years. The Arabs can keep the other 99.6%.
Think about how better the world would be if Zionism never existed.

Do you too want all Arabs murdered?

 
1) Before 1938, Jews weren’t slaughtered by the millions by antisemites such as you.

2) They deserve 0.4% of the land mass in the Middle East - the very land where they’ve lived for 4000 years. The Arabs can keep the other 99.6%.
 
1) Before 1938, Jews weren’t slaughtered by the millions by antisemites such as you.

2) They deserve 0.4% of the land mass in the Middle East - the very land where they’ve lived for 4000 years. The Arabs can keep the other 99.6%.
And yet you’re supporting the exact same thing.

The Israelis thought that they could cast themselves as victims 3 weeks into a vicious and illegal war of aggression they started on Iran.

People aren’t dumb.

Israel is an expansionist supremacist settler colony incinerating everything around it with glee. Predictably, they are getting punched back due to the conditions their government created.

It’s not pretty, but this is to be expected. It’s the ugly barbaric world Israel created, one of kill or be killed.

The actual victims of this insane rogue state have been subjected to Israel’s nonstop penchant for destruction and are firing back for their survival.

Now that they’re causing pain inside Israel, some Israeli hasbarists are whining that everyone is firing on us, we are the real victims, what are we supposed to do?

This would be like asking why everyone is attacking poor Germany in 1943.

Truly incredible, this regime bombs babies around the clock, displaces millions, rapes as a matter of policy, openly carries out land theft and genocide, brags about impunity and then wonders why they’re so despised and subject to retaliation.
 
1) Before 1938, Jews weren’t slaughtered by the millions by antisemites such as you.

2) They deserve 0.4% of the land mass in the Middle East - the very land where they’ve lived for 4000 years. The Arabs can keep the other 99.6%.
I wasn't alive in 1938.

The all moved to Palestine from eastern Europe (mostly Ukraine, Poland, and Russia).

 
All that aside, I would ask do ANY countries hold valid claim over land they expanded into? Why are people focusing solely on Jews?

Look at how the Muslims, not even a “thing” until the 7th century, expanded their territory throughout the Middle East. Look at how they’ve now moved into Europe, turning those countries into Islamic-siding countries.

And finally, Israel is but 0.4% of the land in the Middle East. The fight against them is all due to antisemitism.

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Is that you in the foreground smiling?
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And yet you’re supporting the exact same thing.

The Israelis thought that they could cast themselves as victims 3 weeks into a vicious and illegal war of aggression they started on Iran.

People aren’t dumb.

Israel is an expansionist supremacist settler colony incinerating everything around it with glee. Predictably, they are getting punched back due to the conditions their government created.

It’s not pretty, but this is to be expected. It’s the ugly barbaric world Israel created, one of kill or be killed.

The actual victims of this insane rogue state have been subjected to Israel’s nonstop penchant for destruction and are firing back for their survival.

Now that they’re causing pain inside Israel, some Israeli hasbarists are whining that everyone is firing on us, we are the real victims, what are we supposed to do?

This would be like asking why everyone is attacking poor Germany in 1943.

Truly incredible, this regime bombs babies around the clock, displaces millions, rapes as a matter of policy, openly carries out land theft and genocide, brags about impunity and then wonders why they’re so despised and subject to retaliation.
verbal diahrea.
i recommend you seek help from mental healthcare, or because of depression causing anti-psychotics (along with other horrible side effects), the help of a good friend or A.I. for the question "why do i troll?!".
 
verbal diahrea.
i recommend you seek help from mental healthcare, or because of depression causing anti-psychotics (along with other horrible side effects), the help of a good friend or A.I. for the question "why do i troll?!".
Look at Post # 10 We have no idea when that picture was taken who they are and for what occasion Too bad he doesn’t have pictures of the joy Palestinians expressed when they were raping and killing
 
Israel has no legal claim to territory outside her borders. International law is not formed by religious theology or ancient scripture.
 
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