Politics divides us too much

[martybegan]

You are basically correct, but the left does not believe in a classless society.

They want a ruling class and serfdom.

I think some of them are true believers, but most are just in it for their specific "thing", be it jew hate, AGW, trans stupidity, or criminal coddling.

 

[ColonelAngus]

I think some of them are true believers, but most are just in it for their specific "thing", be it jew hate, AGW, trans stupidity, or criminal coddling.

Take Pelosi as an example. She uses her inside knowledge to make hundreds of millions of dollars. No way is she giving up her wealth to be just another American. She deems herself part of the ruling class.

No ******* way that evil C-word wants a classless society.

 

[Mac1958]

These days, it is both of the two main parties and seemingly supported by the dumbasses that simply vote R or D, out of misplace loyalty.

Yep. And I think that many just assume that everyone wants the divisions to ultimately heal. That's not what the ends of the spectrum appear to want. They clearly want an America with just one ideology: Theirs.

The Founders warned against this, and they did everything they could to prevent it. But they couldn't do EVERYTHING. They had to place a great deal of faith in the people, and we've sure as hell let them down.

 

[Delldude]

They clearly want an America with just one ideology: Theirs.

I'm pretty sure 'my' ideology doesn't support men playing dress up competing in women's sports or getting nude in young women's locker rooms.

How about you?

 

[White 6]

Like there's a lot of choices other than R or D ??? !!!

Try checking into the real world for a change, rather than your fantasy la-la-la land.

The fact, that both parties suck (and pretty consistently, lately under present leadership) is all the more reason to pay attention, and vote, not for party, but for or against individual standard bearing candidate of the moment.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Thoughts From an Independent

A friend of mine spent many hours organizing a high school class reunion last year, only to have it fall apart because of bitter infighting over politics by his former classmates.

2 of my family members won't be attending our Thanksgiving dinner, because of political disagreements.

At the grocery store I recently watched a shoving match that nearly became a fistfight, all over a provocative political bumper sticker.

A small political rally in my town last November resulted in a number of injuries when a group of folks in the streets were pelted with rocks by passing motorists.

The sad thing about this is these are not isolated events, but now things that go on all over the country with alarming frequency, and while the TV networks (on both sides) don't openly encourage this behavior, they certainly don't discourage it either!

I used to watch the evening news (both FOX and CNN) Now the TV stays off, in favor of long walks and an hour or 2 playing and studying chess before going to bed.

Politics divides us too much, I think.

 

[Missourian]

These days, it is both of the two main parties and seemingly supported by the dumbasses that simply vote R or D, out of misplace loyalty.

I used to vote D back before D lost it's friggin' mind, demanding I buy health insurance I neither needed or wanted, hoaxing the American people on Russian Collusion, opening the border to millions of illegals, demanding biological males access to women's bathrooms and Locker rooms and pushing women out of women's sports, erasing 'mothers' and replacing them with 'birthing people', celebrating assassinations of CEOs and Political Leaders and the attempted assassination of a President of the United States

The Democrats have literally gone crazy. Who the **** is going to vote for that?

 

[Missourian]

Dividing Americans is an entire industry. You would think that seeing families, marriages and friendships falling apart would tell us that we're going down the wrong road, but it sure isn't.

Collaboration is a skill set and it requires a constructive temperament, and we're losing both to simple tribalism. It's easier. It requires no original thought, just raw emotion.

You don't collaborate with the politically insane.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The zealots on the ends of the spectrum will continue to impede any progress.

They certainly do appear to be winning.

Name the zealots on the right side of the equation. You can't! But there is a never-ending list on the left side.

 

[MarcATL]

The current President isn't helping this problem OP, only making it worse w/even more and more violent political rhetoric against his opponents.

 

[martybegan]

The current President isn't helping this problem OP, only making it worse w/even more and more violent political rhetoric against his opponents.

Another "the right needs to just surrender" request.

 

[Hafar1014]

Thoughts From an Independent

A friend of mine spent many hours organizing a high school class reunion last year, only to have it fall apart because of bitter infighting over politics by his former classmates.

2 of my family members won't be attending our Thanksgiving dinner, because of political disagreements.

At the grocery store I recently watched a shoving match that nearly became a fistfight, all over a provocative political bumper sticker.

A small political rally in my town last November resulted in a number of injuries when a group of folks in the streets were pelted with rocks by passing motorists.

The sad thing about this is these are not isolated events, but now things that go on all over the country with alarming frequency, and while the TV networks (on both sides) don't openly encourage this behavior, they certainly don't discourage it either!

I used to watch the evening news (both FOX and CNN) Now the TV stays off, in favor of long walks and an hour or 2 playing and studying chess before going to bed.

Politics divides us too much, I think.

Having different ideas isnt division. Its diversity. The solution is debate. Today the left uses violence. Being an independent means you like to complain but take no position. Thats intellectual cowardice. Man up and stand for something

 

[Missourian]

I didn't hear Hillary Clinton's comments but she has a point and you see that in our politics today. You see it online here. We only have one far right extremist in our large extended family and he is a bitter person after marriage failure. Trump uses divisive issues to divide and conquer and control. It amazes me that a petty criminal like Trump has such power over so many. Hate is a powerful tool. Read history if you doubt.

https://knowablemagazine.org/conten...4/latest-researccauses-political-polarization

Hillary Clinton... the one the created and perpetuated the Russia Collusion Hoax that lasted for years and made fools of you all...at best?

One of the most divisive politicians who intentionally mislead the country to sidetrack the elected Presidents agenda for two years and sowed the seeds of the intense animosity between us today??

See what I mean about insanity in the Democrat Party.

Reality to them is a foreign land in which they have no knowledge.

 

[martybegan]

Having different ideas isnt division. Its diversity. The solution is debate. Today the left uses violence. Being an independent means you like to complain but take no position. Thats intellectual cowardice. Manu and stand for something

Two lines I always use when describing leftists concepts of politics.

For leftists, "You Speech is violence, our violence is speech"

Also: The Right thinks the left's ideas are retarded, the Left thinks the right's ideas shouldn't exist"

 

[22lcidw]

Yep. And I think that many just assume that everyone wants the divisions to ultimately heal. That's not what the ends of the spectrum appear to want. They clearly want an America with just one ideology: Theirs.

The Founders warned against this, and they did everything they could to prevent it. But they couldn't do EVERYTHING. They had to place a great deal of faith in the people, and we've sure as hell let them down.

They spoke of freedom. Even with a flaw in the Constitution. There are no sentences in it that says people had to be paid off. We have lost rights in the last half century even as social justice has increased rights. Everything we do is increasingly monitored. Vehicles, electronics, etc. Everyday living. Cameras everywhere and growing. We can find flaws with people and use it to the advantage of the empowered. Those who experience it know it. And a percentage of the people who abuse others are those who promote freedom. Unwittingly they are or have pushed their own doom or their children's.

 

[Mac-7]

Having different ideas isnt division. Its diversity. The solution is debate. Today the left uses violence. Being an independent means you like to complain but take no position. Thats intellectual cowardice. Manu and stand for something

With libs the rules are heads they win, tails we lose

They lost the election but still demand to set policy

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It's not politics. It's gone beyond politics. The fight is over very personal issues. Which is why it is so bitter.

The fight is over whether or not this sex offender can have a right of access to little girls.

Witnesses testify against sex offender accused in Arlington school exposure case

Registered sex offender Richard Cox was back in an Arlington, Virginia, courtroom Thursday for a lengthy preliminary hearing.Cox is accused of exposing himself

komonews.com

Democrats think he should.

 

[White 6]

I used to vote D back before D lost it's friggin' mind, demanding I buy health insurance I neither needed or wanted, hoaxing the American people on Russian Collusion, opening the border to millions of illegals, demanding biological males access to women's bathrooms and Locker rooms and pushing women out of women's sports, erasing 'mothers' and replacing them with 'birthing people', celebrating assassinations of CEOs and Political Leaders and the attempted assassination of a President of the United States

The Democrats have literally gone crazy. Who the **** is going to vote for that?

The far left fringe, obviously.
I got broken from supporting a party, real early in my voting life. Both parties, quite frequently give us plenty to hate on a party basis. We are constantly having to choose the lessor of two weevils, and it can only be decided on a candidate by candidate basis. By in large part, the main thrusts of the two parties are beyond the pail of acceptance and support of the majority of the country, certainly beyond consistent support of Independent voters, already making their choices individually, as to who will do the least damage in the time frame of consideration.

 

[Concerned American]

I didn't hear Hillary Clinton's comments but she has a point and you see that in our politics today.

This ^^^ says it all. You didn't hear anything she said but from your position of ignorance you support what she said. SMFH

 

[Missourian]

The far left fringe, obviously.
I got broken from supporting a party, real early in my voting life. Both parties, quite frequently give us plenty to hate on a party basis. We are constantly having to choose the lessor of two weevils, and it can only be decided on a candidate by candidate basis. By in large part, the main thrusts of the two parties are beyond the pail of acceptance and support of the majority of the country, certainly beyond consistent support of Independent voters, already making their choices individually, as to who will do the least damage in the time frame of consideration.

Except you can't make decisions like that anymore.

I voted for a Democrat as my US Rep many times. Then, when Obamacare came down the pipe, the Democrats didn't give a **** what their constituents wanted. Hell, Massachusetts elected a Republican Senator to try to stop it.

And still those Democrats, including mine, toed the party line on Obamacare and fucked over their voters in 2010.

And that, my friend, was the beginning of the end split ticket voter.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

This is what Missouri looked like in January 2009...

January 2011...

January 2013...

January 2015...

Trump's inauguration, January 2017...

So... Where did the change occur?

Newsflash, it didn't have a fuckin' thing to do with Trump.

Under Obama the Democrats pulled the rug out from under working class Americans... and once they lost us, they were forced to become more and more progressive to find the votes they needed to be competitive.

2010 was where it all started.




And look at what Missouri looks like now....