Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny

[Procrustes Stretched]

Her views do not entail the rights and freedoms of the individual and the need to limit the powers of government. The exact opposite of this is her view.

Enacting bigger government programs to solve problems society could solve on its own - just not in the manner she would prefer.

"The Green New Deal
"The Green New Deal is an emergency four part program of specific solutions for moving America quickly out of crisis into the secure green future.

"We call these solutions a Green 'New Deal' because they are inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s. And these solutions are 'Green' because they create an economy that makes our communities sustainable and healthy."

"It's time to end unemployment and debt in America. It's time to transition to a new green economy. It's time for a Green New Deal."

Do you see any threat to the individual rights and freedoms in ending unemployment and debt in the US?

The Green New Deal - Jill Stein for President

thank you

 

[hipeter924]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Only a small percentage of Americans want a government and corporate restrained America. Very few of them are in the GOP or Democratic Party.

A truly free America in terms of classical liberalism, would be one where most of these are the case:
- The government doesn't regulate most aspects of morality, including marriage.
- The governments focus is maintaing infrastructure and restraining corporations from establishing monopolies
- Taxes are voluntary and government services are on a use it you buy it principle.
- Everyone is taxed the same percentage.
- Property rights supersede utilitarian attitudes.
- Private healthcare, and no restrictions on operations like abortions, or stem-cell research. This goes with the government staying out of people's lives.
- Financial regulations are mostly removed, but there are no bailouts or subsidies. Just pure rise or sink capitalism.
- No government subsidies of any kind.
- Secular society where religion is a private sphere matter with no interference from the government.
- No welfare system, and obviously no food stamps.

That isn't the GOP platform, because it doesn't want small government any more than the Democratic Party. Without corporate donors and lobbyists, most US political parties wouldn't exist.

Most government legislation in America contains clauses that create subsidies or tax loopholes for a few corporations. This is not about building a free market, but using the government as a means to disadvantage other corporations or businesses.

There is no such thing as a 'small government party' in America, with the exception of the libertarian party. Only a few rebel factions exist in the two major parties - and like Ron Paul, they are ignored.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives support a conservative rebellion against tyranny. They oppose all rebellion on the left.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Correct.

And we will remain free of tyranny because the people are subject solely to the rule of law, not men – as men are in capable of ruling justly.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Only a small percentage of Americans want a government and corporate restrained America. Very few of them are in the GOP or Democratic Party.

A truly free America in terms of classical liberalism, would be one where most of these are the case:
- The government doesn't regulate most aspects of morality, including marriage.
- The governments focus is maintaing infrastructure and restraining corporations from establishing monopolies
- Taxes are voluntary and government services are on a use it you buy it principle.
- Everyone is taxed the same percentage.
- Property rights supersede utilitarian attitudes.
- Private healthcare, and no restrictions on operations like abortions, or stem-cell research. This goes with the government staying out of people's lives.
- Financial regulations are mostly removed, but there are no bailouts or subsidies. Just pure rise or sink capitalism.
- No government subsidies of any kind.
- Secular society where religion is a private sphere matter with no interference from the government.
- No welfare system, and obviously no food stamps.

That isn't the GOP platform, because it doesn't want small government any more than the Democratic Party. Without corporate donors and lobbyists, most US political parties wouldn't exist.

Most government legislation in America contains clauses that create subsidies or tax loopholes for a few corporations. This is not about building a free market, but using the government as a means to disadvantage other corporations or businesses.

There is no such thing as a 'small government party' in America, with the exception of the libertarian party. Only a few rebel factions exist in the two major parties - and like Ron Paul, they are ignored.

Does the USA precede the advent of what we now describe as 'classical liberalism?'

hipeter924

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Only a small percentage of Americans want a government and corporate restrained America. Very few of them are in the GOP or Democratic Party.

A truly free America in terms of classical liberalism, would be one where most of these are the case:
- The government doesn't regulate most aspects of morality, including marriage.
- The governments focus is maintaing infrastructure and restraining corporations from establishing monopolies
- Taxes are voluntary and government services are on a use it you buy it principle.
- Everyone is taxed the same percentage.
- Property rights supersede utilitarian attitudes.
- Private healthcare, and no restrictions on operations like abortions, or stem-cell research. This goes with the government staying out of people's lives.
- Financial regulations are mostly removed, but there are no bailouts or subsidies. Just pure rise or sink capitalism.
- No government subsidies of any kind.
- Secular society where religion is a private sphere matter with no interference from the government.
- No welfare system, and obviously no food stamps.

That isn't the GOP platform, because it doesn't want small government any more than the Democratic Party. Without corporate donors and lobbyists, most US political parties wouldn't exist.

Most government legislation in America contains clauses that create subsidies or tax loopholes for a few corporations. This is not about building a free market, but using the government as a means to disadvantage other corporations or businesses.

There is no such thing as a 'small government party' in America, with the exception of the libertarian party. Only a few rebel factions exist in the two major parties - and like Ron Paul, they are ignored.

Did the founders when they framed and ratified the US Constitution intend of having a free market economy as we understand it today and did they even know what a small government party is?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Correct.

And we will remain free of tyranny because the people are subject solely to the rule of law, not men – as men are in capable of ruling justly.

I;m not quite sure I'd believe in it that way. The rule of law can be corrupted to such a point the people could be prevented by exercising their power of the vote. But I do not see that near

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Conservatives support a conservative rebellion against tyranny. They oppose all rebellion on the left.

not quite sure what that means

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Her views do not entail the rights and freedoms of the individual and the need to limit the powers of government. The exact opposite of this is her view.

Enacting bigger government programs to solve problems society could solve on its own - just not in the manner she would prefer.

"The Green New Deal
"The Green New Deal is an emergency four part program of specific solutions for moving America quickly out of crisis into the secure green future.

"We call these solutions a Green 'New Deal' because they are inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s. And these solutions are 'Green' because they create an economy that makes our communities sustainable and healthy."

"It's time to end unemployment and debt in America. It's time to transition to a new green economy. It's time for a Green New Deal."

Do you see any threat to the individual rights and freedoms in ending unemployment and debt in the US?

The Green New Deal - Jill Stein for President

So you use fucking platitudes to make a point? How quaint.
And how does she plan to get this going, huh? By letting individuals make their own decisions and having government butt out, or to grow government?

Easy. Grow government. Another "new deal" nonsense? Living wage? Full employment? Make "affordable" utilities a "right"?



She's a big government will solve everything dictator. She is a progressive authoritarian. Period. She's not for individual rights, like freedom of association and private contracting. She's for big government everything just like Dainte and you.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Her views do not entail the rights and freedoms of the individual and the need to limit the powers of government. The exact opposite of this is her view.

Enacting bigger government programs to solve problems society could solve on its own - just not in the manner she would prefer.

"The Green New Deal
"The Green New Deal is an emergency four part program of specific solutions for moving America quickly out of crisis into the secure green future.

"We call these solutions a Green 'New Deal' because they are inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s. And these solutions are 'Green' because they create an economy that makes our communities sustainable and healthy."

"It's time to end unemployment and debt in America. It's time to transition to a new green economy. It's time for a Green New Deal."

Do you see any threat to the individual rights and freedoms in ending unemployment and debt in the US?

The Green New Deal - Jill Stein for President

So you use fucking platitudes to make a point? How quaint.
...
She's a big government will solve everything dictator.

...

MORE TROLLISH DRIBBLE

 

[Skylar]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Only a small percentage of Americans want a government and corporate restrained America. Very few of them are in the GOP or Democratic Party.

A truly free America in terms of classical liberalism, would be one where most of these are the case:
- The government doesn't regulate most aspects of morality, including marriage.
- The governments focus is maintaing infrastructure and restraining corporations from establishing monopolies
- Taxes are voluntary and government services are on a use it you buy it principle.
- Everyone is taxed the same percentage.
- Property rights supersede utilitarian attitudes.
- Private healthcare, and no restrictions on operations like abortions, or stem-cell research. This goes with the government staying out of people's lives.
- Financial regulations are mostly removed, but there are no bailouts or subsidies. Just pure rise or sink capitalism.
- No government subsidies of any kind.
- Secular society where religion is a private sphere matter with no interference from the government.
- No welfare system, and obviously no food stamps.

That isn't the GOP platform, because it doesn't want small government any more than the Democratic Party. Without corporate donors and lobbyists, most US political parties wouldn't exist.

Most government legislation in America contains clauses that create subsidies or tax loopholes for a few corporations. This is not about building a free market, but using the government as a means to disadvantage other corporations or businesses.

There is no such thing as a 'small government party' in America, with the exception of the libertarian party. Only a few rebel factions exist in the two major parties - and like Ron Paul, they are ignored.

That's never been this country or any other.

 

[georgephillip]

She's a big government will solve everything dictator. She is a progressive authoritarian. Period. She's not for individual rights, like freedom of association and private contracting. She's for big government everything just like Dainte and you.

Have you bothered to research what Jill proposes, or are you relying on prejudice? She supports grants and low interest loans to local businesses and cooperatives that keep wealth created by local individuals circulating within their communities, rather than being sucked off by rich absentee investors.

Think Goldman Sachs will fund that vision?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

How does she plan to change the minimum wage to a living wage?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

How does she plan to make utilities a "right" and "affordable"?

 

[hipeter924]

Political Liberty and The Right of Popular Rebellion Against Tyranny: It is a liberal concept. So is democracy as well as republicanism. Conservatives in the USA come out of the liberal tradition.

We are all liberals. We're liberals of different stripes.

Sane, rational, and reasonable people know tyranny does not exist in the USA today. Why? We have representative government with open and free elections. The ultimate power resides in the vote, not money or political power.

Only a small percentage of Americans want a government and corporate restrained America. Very few of them are in the GOP or Democratic Party.

A truly free America in terms of classical liberalism, would be one where most of these are the case:
- The government doesn't regulate most aspects of morality, including marriage.
- The governments focus is maintaing infrastructure and restraining corporations from establishing monopolies
- Taxes are voluntary and government services are on a use it you buy it principle.
- Everyone is taxed the same percentage.
- Property rights supersede utilitarian attitudes.
- Private healthcare, and no restrictions on operations like abortions, or stem-cell research. This goes with the government staying out of people's lives.
- Financial regulations are mostly removed, but there are no bailouts or subsidies. Just pure rise or sink capitalism.
- No government subsidies of any kind.
- Secular society where religion is a private sphere matter with no interference from the government.
- No welfare system, and obviously no food stamps.

That isn't the GOP platform, because it doesn't want small government any more than the Democratic Party. Without corporate donors and lobbyists, most US political parties wouldn't exist.

Most government legislation in America contains clauses that create subsidies or tax loopholes for a few corporations. This is not about building a free market, but using the government as a means to disadvantage other corporations or businesses.

There is no such thing as a 'small government party' in America, with the exception of the libertarian party. Only a few rebel factions exist in the two major parties - and like Ron Paul, they are ignored.

Did the founders when they framed and ratified the US Constitution intend of having a free market economy as we understand it today and did they even know what a small government party is?

They didn't intend for there to be a Federal Reserve or a surveillance society, some were opposed to allowing slavery, and some opposed the concept of a Federal government itself.

Nor was the constitution meant to be an economic rule book. It's fairly easy to argue what the founders didn't want, but the constitution they established doesn't necessary show their beliefs of how America should be - rather it was a messy compromise.

However, they did put forward the concept of limited government, rather than an overreaching one.

The US constitution changes according to the amendment process, and was never meant to be set in stone to the point it could never be amended by an elected government.

 

[georgephillip]

How does she plan to change the minimum wage to a living wage?

Possibly by establishing a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed-out bankers?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

How does she plan to change the minimum wage to a living wage?

Possibly by establishing a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed-out bankers?

Is that the plan? Is that individual liberty? Is that limited government?
Keep reaching around for it, but she is NO liberal. She is a progressive authoritarian.

 

[georgephillip]

How does she plan to make utilities a "right" and "affordable"?

Through the use of democratically run, publicly owned utilities operating at cost instead of "earning" a profit.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

How does she plan to make utilities a "right" and "affordable"?

Through the use of democratically run, publicly owned utilities operating at cost instead of "earning" a profit.

So more big government. Again NOT A LIBERAL. Thanks for playing.

 

[georgephillip]

Is that the plan? Is that individual liberty? Is that limited government?

You're advocating for an individual right to commit control fraud?