Police State: Man Detained For Walking With Hands In Pockets...

[Nutz]

And the difference between being pulled over by a cop as opposed to being stopped by the cops on the streets for walking is that usually the cops have a reason to pull you over for a driving violation

Not exactly. Cops can, and do, put up road blocks. For some legal fiction, they have to be tied to "traffic safey" rather than just looking for "evil doers." But they can and do stop all traffic on selected roadways, and just ask for drivers licenses. I'm not aware of cops trying to "chat up" everyone on a given street.

Those are called DUI check points...sometimes, if a violent crime is committed...then cops will set up road blocks to search for the suspect. Either way, no comparison to a normal traffic stop or pedestrian harassment.

 

[RKMBrown]

No. Harassment is making you bend over while he probes your ass for dime bags.

Thats a different level of harassment. Thats violating you.

Uhmm.. bullshit.

harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

Bull shit. I already quoted that. The cop asked twice after the guy made it clear he was annoyed. EOT

Asking a question whether once or twice is not by and of itself harassment. If you think asking someone what's up is harassment you need to take that skirt off.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

 

[bendog]

And what is the matter with cop observing from a distance instead of detaining and interrogating an innocent man? No crime was broken...only white fear.

It's not white fear by the cop. Maybe by the store owner. And, that's the point. The cop want's to find out if it's just white fear. You are suggesting, I think, that the cop could do that just by following the guy. The cop could legally do that, because there's no constitutional right to not be followed. But, practically, there are at least two reasons to stop and talk to the guy. First, why play on some guy's paranoia, esp a black guy who may have real reasons to be afraid? Be upfront, and the cop was. "how's your day, somebody mentioned a crime occurring so I'm just checking out the neighborhood .... yadayadah." Second, there's no doubt the cop has no idea why the guy is walking or what he's up to. For all the cop knows, the guy may just have been held up or had his life otherwise wrecked. All the cop did was .... ask.

I meant fear by the white citizen. There was NO reason for the cop to detain and question the black guy. No crime was committed and the cop had no readon to believe a crime was in the process. His mere presence, if a crime was underway, would have foiled it. So there was no reason for the cop to detain and question the black guy.

I have to do something, but I'll respond. There WAS a reason to talk to the guy. A citizen called in and said a guy walked by my store twice and he may be casing me for another robbery. THAT"S a reason. NOT TO DETAIN. The fear by the white CITZEN may have been rational, maybe not; the cop has no way to know of the citzen called because the guy was black or because previous robberies started with a white guy walking with his hands in his pockets. ... casing the joint, so to speak. The reason to talk to the guy is to ascertain whether the fear was rational. But that is a reason to ask "how's your day going."

 

[bendog]

And the difference between being pulled over by a cop as opposed to being stopped by the cops on the streets for walking is that usually the cops have a reason to pull you over for a driving violation

Not exactly. Cops can, and do, put up road blocks. For some legal fiction, they have to be tied to "traffic safey" rather than just looking for "evil doers." But they can and do stop all traffic on selected roadways, and just ask for drivers licenses. I'm not aware of cops trying to "chat up" everyone on a given street.

Those are called DUI check points...sometimes, if a violent crime is committed...then cops will set up road blocks to search for the suspect. Either way, no comparison to a normal traffic stop or pedestrian harassment.

Well, the cops may also stop all red pickups in a given area if there's a report of a red pick up driving erratically.

 

[Asclepias]

Thats a different level of harassment. Thats violating you.

Uhmm.. bullshit.

harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

Bull shit. I already quoted that. The cop asked twice after the guy made it clear he was annoyed. EOT

Asking a question whether once or twice is not by and of itself harassment. If you think asking someone what's up is harassment you need to take that skirt off.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions"

 

[Nutz]

And what is the matter with cop observing from a distance instead of detaining and interrogating an innocent man? No crime was broken...only white fear.

It's not white fear by the cop. Maybe by the store owner. And, that's the point. The cop want's to find out if it's just white fear. You are suggesting, I think, that the cop could do that just by following the guy. The cop could legally do that, because there's no constitutional right to not be followed. But, practically, there are at least two reasons to stop and talk to the guy. First, why play on some guy's paranoia, esp a black guy who may have real reasons to be afraid? Be upfront, and the cop was. "how's your day, somebody mentioned a crime occurring so I'm just checking out the neighborhood .... yadayadah." Second, there's no doubt the cop has no idea why the guy is walking or what he's up to. For all the cop knows, the guy may just have been held up or had his life otherwise wrecked. All the cop did was .... ask.

I meant fear by the white citizen. There was NO reason for the cop to detain and question the black guy. No crime was committed and the cop had no readon to believe a crime was in the process. His mere presence, if a crime was underway, would have foiled it. So there was no reason for the cop to detain and question the black guy.

I have to do something, but I'll respond. There WAS a reason to talk to the guy. A citizen called in and said a guy walked by my store twice and he may be casing me for another robbery. THAT"S a reason. NOT TO DETAIN. The fear by the white CITZEN may have been rational, maybe not; the cop has no way to know of the citzen called because the guy was black or because previous robberies started with a white guy walking with his hands in his pockets. ... casing the joint, so to speak. The reason to talk to the guy is to ascertain whether the fear was rational. But that is a reason to ask "how's your day going."

The cop can observe without speaking. There was no reason to speak with the guy. The cop can determine whether he is a threat without interaction. (And the cop may have been watching the guy, I don't know)

 

[RKMBrown]

Uhmm.. bullshit.

harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

Bull shit. I already quoted that. The cop asked twice after the guy made it clear he was annoyed. EOT

Asking a question whether once or twice is not by and of itself harassment. If you think asking someone what's up is harassment you need to take that skirt off.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions"

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

 

[Nutz]

And the difference between being pulled over by a cop as opposed to being stopped by the cops on the streets for walking is that usually the cops have a reason to pull you over for a driving violation

Not exactly. Cops can, and do, put up road blocks. For some legal fiction, they have to be tied to "traffic safey" rather than just looking for "evil doers." But they can and do stop all traffic on selected roadways, and just ask for drivers licenses. I'm not aware of cops trying to "chat up" everyone on a given street.

Those are called DUI check points...sometimes, if a violent crime is committed...then cops will set up road blocks to search for the suspect. Either way, no comparison to a normal traffic stop or pedestrian harassment.

Well, the cops may also stop all red pickups in a given area if there's a report of a red pick up driving erratically.

True, but again, not really the topic at hand.

 

[Asclepias]

Bull shit. I already quoted that. The cop asked twice after the guy made it clear he was annoyed. EOT

Asking a question whether once or twice is not by and of itself harassment. If you think asking someone what's up is harassment you need to take that skirt off.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions"

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

"The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

 

[RKMBrown]

Asking a question whether once or twice is not by and of itself harassment. If you think asking someone what's up is harassment you need to take that skirt off.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions"

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

"The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

 

[Asclepias]

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions"

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

"The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

"The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

 

[kaz]

Where was it said that e looked in the store?

The white guy said so. Just like he said he was walking back and forth.

Ahh..so blacks can't window shop

And what is the matter with cop observing from a distance instead of detaining and interrogating an innocent man? No crime was broken...only white fear.

He didn't detain him idiot, you don't know that the word means.

He did, whether you think so or not. When you get pulled over by a cop...you are detained, no? Guess what, when a cop pulls you over, first question he usually asks...How are you !

You don't know what "detain" means.

 

[Asclepias]

Where was it said that e looked in the store?

The white guy said so. Just like he said he was walking back and forth.

Ahh..so blacks can't window shop

And what is the matter with cop observing from a distance instead of detaining and interrogating an innocent man? No crime was broken...only white fear.

He didn't detain him idiot, you don't know that the word means.

He did, whether you think so or not. When you get pulled over by a cop...you are detained, no? Guess what, when a cop pulls you over, first question he usually asks...How are you !

You don't know what "detain" means.

You dont have to be in custody to be detained. If an officer is questioning you or telling you not to move from the spot you are detained.

 

[kaz]

He was sorta nice only because the camera was on him.

With so much pulled out of your ass, you shouldn't have any constipation worries for a while. Having a camera didn't stop the black guy from being a dick.

With people like you on my side I dont need any enemies. Your smug assumption that cops treat Blacks and whites the same is idiotic and part of the issue. #crimingwhilewhite

Strawman

 

[Asclepias]

He was sorta nice only because the camera was on him.

With so much pulled out of your ass, you shouldn't have any constipation worries for a while. Having a camera didn't stop the black guy from being a dick.

With people like you on my side I dont need any enemies. Your smug assumption that cops treat Blacks and whites the same is idiotic and part of the issue. #crimingwhilewhite

Strawman

He has the right to be a dick as much as the cop has a right to question him.

 

[RKMBrown]

Unwanted and annoying? So your wife asking you to take the trash out is "harassment." So TV commercials are harassment. So this douche bag taunting the cops to come be in his film was being harassed when the cops came to be on his film.. ROFL he wanted the cop there,.. if anything this douche bag was the one harassing the cop.

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions"

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

"The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

"The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions "

IOW you are harassing the members of USMB.

 

[kaz]

And what is the matter with cop observing from a distance instead of detaining and interrogating an innocent man? No crime was broken...only white fear.

That is the whole issue in a nutshell.

I don't see the issue with a cop talking to someone on the street. He didn't do anything but talk to him. And he continued to be polite even as the man immediately was a dick about it.

Of course you dont see the issue. Youre white.

I'm white and you're a racist who treats whites and cops like you demand blacks not be treated.

 

[kaz]

He was sorta nice only because the camera was on him.

With so much pulled out of your ass, you shouldn't have any constipation worries for a while. Having a camera didn't stop the black guy from being a dick.

With people like you on my side I dont need any enemies. Your smug assumption that cops treat Blacks and whites the same is idiotic and part of the issue. #crimingwhilewhite

Strawman

He has the right to be a dick as much as the cop has a right to question him.

True, and contradicts nothing I said. It's the cops job to talk to dicks, and he did a great job of it.

 

[Asclepias]

And what is the matter with cop observing from a distance instead of detaining and interrogating an innocent man? No crime was broken...only white fear.

That is the whole issue in a nutshell.

I don't see the issue with a cop talking to someone on the street. He didn't do anything but talk to him. And he continued to be polite even as the man immediately was a dick about it.

Of course you dont see the issue. Youre white.

I'm white and you're a racist who treats whites and cops like you demand blacks not be treated.

You already proved you dont know what detain means. Now you are proving you dont know what racist means. Youre white so your frame of reference is white. Let me know when you grow up as a Black male and can tell me what happens when Black people cross paths with cops.

 

[kaz]

And the difference between being pulled over by a cop as opposed to being stopped by the cops on the streets for walking is that usually the cops have a reason to pull you over for a driving violation

Here's a test. Talk to someone on the street. Now, talk to someone in their car driving past you at 40 miles an hour. OK, now how did it go? Did both those conversations go the same way?