Zone1 Please imagine that you have been paying tithes to Pastor Joel Osteen for a decade?

[DennisPTate]

What might YOU perhaps do if Pastor Joel Osteen invited near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife to a special meeting on a Friday night or a Saturday?

Imagine that people from the audience can go to a microphone and ask questions of near death experiencer Robert Marshall OR OF PASTOR JOEL OSTEEN?

Who do you think that you would want to ask questions of, Robert Marshall or Pastor Joel Osteen?

When you think this through you will have a good idea as to why how few big name Pastors have the courage to do interviews with near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife Carol Marshall, whose prayers for her husband were answered and her husband was sent back from the dead after forty four hours in an extreme coma due to about ninety minutes of oxygen deprivation to his brain.

For the record I consider that Pastor Joel Osteen has probably studied near death experiences extensively and has probably gotten many ideas for his sermons from them. Here is one example of an idea that I believe that Pastor Joel probably got from a near death experiencer.

[Near death experiencer Christian Andreason] :

h. Who goes to heaven?​

In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher realms of heaven. If we do not practice love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God’s super universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn.

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PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall

"Upon entering the emergency room, the admission staff quickly observed the medical emergency: I was having difficulty breathing. I was immediately escorted to the care area of the ER and met with a member of the medical team who performed the perfunctory vital signs and symptom identification.


The hospital staff responded to my symptoms and ordered a new CT scan and a broader, all- encompassing blood test. The results showed I had “unstable/abnormal vital signs and life-threatening conditions,” as described in my medical record. I was at risk of my airway being blocked by the mass indicated on the CT scan and I needed emergency intubation with ventilator support. They moved me to a surgical suite, inserted the oral intubation tube, and admitted me to the ICU immediately."

Emergency Room Medical Note:

IMPRESSION:

Increased inflammatory change in the deep left neck soft tissues with worsening swelling of the epiglottis and moderate to severe airway narrowing. Additional inflammatory change involving the left submandibular fossa and submandibular gland as well as the left anterior belly of the digastric. Findings suggest worsening infectious pharyngitis/tonsillitis/epiglottitis. No drainable collection.


Left glossotonsillar sulcus fullness persists. Although superimposed infection is likely, evaluation for an underlying malignancy should be pursued. Direct visualization and tissue sampling may be warranted by ENT. Follow-up CT neck with contrast in one to 3 months is recommended to confirm resolution.

No cervical lymphadenopathy by size criteria.

Incidental severe spinal canal narrowing C5-6 due to ossification of the posterior longitudinal ligament.

For the next two days, I rested comfortably, my body fighting the infection with the help of IV antibiotics, and the intubation tube that kept the mass away from my airway.

[Robert and Carol Marshall, Forty Four Hours in Heaven," page 13]

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With only one known case worldwide, Robert's story provides the world's first living testimony of a man who died and spent 44 hours in Heaven. He was taught by Jesus about Heaven and how to understand the Bible. Robert shares his entire experience in Heaven and with Jesus.

www.44hoursinheavenministries.org

Pastor Joel Osteen is certainly one of the best big name Pastors that I have listened to so far.

Pastor Joel Osteen on Finding Hope After Sandy Hook​

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Osteen is a charlatan/criminal of the WORST kind.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

What might YOU perhaps do if Pastor Joel Osteen invited near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife to a special meeting on a Friday night or a Saturday?

Imagine that people from the audience can go to a microphone and ask questions of near death experiencer Robert Marshall OR OF PASTOR JOEL OSTEEN?

Who do you think that you would want to ask questions of, Robert Marshall or Pastor Joel Osteen?

When you think this through you will have a good idea as to why how few big name Pastors have the courage to do interviews with near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife Carol Marshall, whose prayers for her husband were answered and her husband was sent back from the dead after forty four hours in an extreme coma due to about ninety minutes of oxygen deprivation to his brain.

For the record I consider that Pastor Joel Osteen has probably studied near death experiences extensively and has probably gotten many ideas for his sermons from them. Here is one example of an idea that I believe that Pastor Joel probably got from a near death experiencer.






PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall





Pastor Joel Osteen is certainly one of the best big name Pastors that I have listened to so far.

Pastor Joel Osteen on Finding Hope After Sandy Hook​

NDEs are nothing more than ones brain having reactions to the shutting down of chemicals, blood, and stimuli being sent to the brain.
Nothing more. There is nothing supernatural about it.

 

[DennisPTate]

NDEs are nothing more than ones brain having reactions to the shutting down of chemicals, blood, and stimuli being sent to the brain.
Nothing more. There is nothing supernatural about it.

Thank you for commenting LibertyWeeps but in 1943 near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie saw and observed what he later describes about four higher invisible dimensions of space and time, more than four decades before Stephen Hawking Ph. D. described the implications of String Theory to Invisible Dimensions of Space and Time.

It is very difficult for me to regard that as being pure coincidence?

[Dr. George Ritchie] :

6. A Brief Summary of George Ritchie’s NDE​

The following is a brief summary of Dr. George Ritchie’s near-death experience. You can read his entire NDE testimony in his book, Return From Tomorrow.


.....

b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus​

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie’s tour of the Earthbound Realm: Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.

Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is “chained to every consequence of his act.”

They then traveled to a bar somewhere on Earth which was filled with sailors drinking heavily. Spirits surrounded the sailors as they tried desperately, and in vain, to grasp the shot glasses to get a drink. Other spirits tried to control the sailors’ alcoholic behavior. Ritchie learns these are the spirits of people who died still having a severe alcoholic addiction which went beyond the physical. He is bewildered as he observes one of the sailors passing out causing the sailor’s protective aura surrounding him to crack open. When it does, it allows a spirit to scramble into the sailor’s unconscious body. This scene was repeated over and over.



"

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Here are some paragraphs on String Theory that is in an article that had a photo of Stephen Hawking Ph. D. on the first page.

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

 

[DennisPTate]

Osteen is a charlatan/criminal of the WORST kind.

I have listened to him several times and I consider him to be one of the most talented speakers and teachers in the entire Christian community.

My point though is that if Pastor Joel Osteen was to invite and finance Pastors Robert Marshall and his wife to be at his church on Friday nights and Saturdays, members of his church might just want to ask more and more and more questions of Robert Marshall, [even over asking questions of the talented Pastor Joel Osteen].



I believe that FEAR of a good thing being messed up significantly explains the following suspicious trend:

I believe that big name pastors are significantly scared to throw their "crowns" at the feet of Jesus in ways that they could pretty easily do that this weekend.

Zone1 Thread 'Are the majority of Christian Pastors TERRIFIED of John and Carol Arnott?'

Dec 27, 2025

If my conclusion is valid that the majority of Christian Pastors are TERRIFIED of Pastors John and Carol Arnott then it seems obvious that many Christian pastors may have at least one demon, that they are being influenced by?

For the life of me I do not know how to explain how The John and Carol Arnott could do one of the best interviews that was ever done with an Atheist near death experiencer but, their fellow Christian Theologians are so COWARDLY that this brilliant video only has 1684 views even after five years!

For the record my wife and I were on our way to a meeting at Catch the...

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Robert Marshall's near death expereince took place in Fort Worth, Texas so their home is not all that far away from Pastor Joel Osteen's church.

 

[The Irish Ram]

[Near death experiencer Christian Andreason] :
h. Who goes to heaven?
In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home.

^ Dennis, If that is true, then Christ is a liar.

Matthew 7:21-23: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven

• Galatians 5:19-21: Lists sins like adultery, idolatry, envy, drunkenness, and says those who do such things "shall not inherit the kingdom of God".
• John 3:3: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.".
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Warns that "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God...neither thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God".
• Hebrews 10:26-27: "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries

There are just a few scriptures that directly oppose what Andreason says.

Pray for discernment so you can tell if something said, is actually able to be backed up by scripture.
Satan will tell you 99% of the truth just to slip in that 1% lie.

 

[Muhammed]

What might YOU perhaps do if Pastor Joel Osteen invited near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife to a special meeting on a Friday night or a Saturday?

Imagine that people from the audience can go to a microphone and ask questions of near death experiencer Robert Marshall OR OF PASTOR JOEL OSTEEN?

Who do you think that you would want to ask questions of, Robert Marshall or Pastor Joel Osteen?

When you think this through you will have a good idea as to why how few big name Pastors have the courage to do interviews with near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife Carol Marshall, whose prayers for her husband were answered and her husband was sent back from the dead after forty four hours in an extreme coma due to about ninety minutes of oxygen deprivation to his brain.

For the record I consider that Pastor Joel Osteen has probably studied near death experiences extensively and has probably gotten many ideas for his sermons from them. Here is one example of an idea that I believe that Pastor Joel probably got from a near death experiencer.






PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall





Pastor Joel Osteen is certainly one of the best big name Pastors that I have listened to so far.

Pastor Joel Osteen on Finding Hope After Sandy Hook​

He is one goofy looking dude. That guy has the most punchable face on the planet.

 

[Harry Dresden]

He is one goofy looking dude. That guy has the most punchable face on the planet.

no that would be adam schiff....

 

[luiza]

With his links to trouble and corruption ,the likely scammer and sleaze merchant Osteen is about the last person you would want to have anything to do with .

I loved the story of a plumber finding $600 000 hidden in the walls of his residence .

Is that what Cult Christians do? Particularly humble and God fearing Pastors?

 

[Votto]

What might YOU perhaps do if Pastor Joel Osteen invited near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife to a special meeting on a Friday night or a Saturday?

Imagine that people from the audience can go to a microphone and ask questions of near death experiencer Robert Marshall OR OF PASTOR JOEL OSTEEN?

Who do you think that you would want to ask questions of, Robert Marshall or Pastor Joel Osteen?

When you think this through you will have a good idea as to why how few big name Pastors have the courage to do interviews with near death experiencer Robert Marshall and his wife Carol Marshall, whose prayers for her husband were answered and her husband was sent back from the dead after forty four hours in an extreme coma due to about ninety minutes of oxygen deprivation to his brain.

For the record I consider that Pastor Joel Osteen has probably studied near death experiences extensively and has probably gotten many ideas for his sermons from them. Here is one example of an idea that I believe that Pastor Joel probably got from a near death experiencer.






PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall





Pastor Joel Osteen is certainly one of the best big name Pastors that I have listened to so far.

Pastor Joel Osteen on Finding Hope After Sandy Hook​

Something people fail to consider is, even if the experience is legit, it does not prove an ultimate fate in the hereafter.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Thank you for commenting LibertyWeeps but in 1943 near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie saw and observed what he later describes about four higher invisible dimensions of space and time, more than four decades before Stephen Hawking Ph. D. described the implications of String Theory to Invisible Dimensions of Space and Time.

It is very difficult for me to regard that as being pure coincidence?




Here are some paragraphs on String Theory that is in an article that had a photo of Stephen Hawking Ph. D. on the first page.

Everybody has different reactions to dying, because of the cirsumstances of the brain being deprived of what it needs, how long, how slow, how fast, ambient body temprature, outside tempreature of the body, whether it is being artificially revivied or not, and thousands of other points of medical information that are going on while brain death is occurring........leads to everybody having different "visions" during the episode.

People who survive the ordeal longer have more indepth hallucenations (visions) than others, simply because they are reviving from the ordeal. It also has a lot to do with the person realizing, or not, what is happening and creating their own versions of what the "afterlife" is.

Again.............it's all reactions to whats happening to the brain, or not happening.

There is nothing religious or supernatural about it.

 

[DennisPTate]

Everybody has different reactions to dying, because of the cirsumstances of the brain being deprived of what it needs, how long, how slow, how fast, ambient body temprature, outside tempreature of the body, whether it is being artificially revivied or not, and thousands of other points of medical information that are going on while brain death is occurring........leads to everybody having different "visions" during the episode.

People who survive the ordeal longer have more indepth hallucenations (visions) than others, simply because they are reviving from the ordeal. It also has a lot to do with the person realizing, or not, what is happening and creating their own versions of what the "afterlife" is.

Again.............it's all reactions to whats happening to the brain, or not happening.

There is nothing religious or supernatural about it.

I am getting the impression that you are a professional in the medical industry from the way that you write. Is that correct?

If you are a medical profession would you say that the NDE of Robert Marshall might be extremely encouraging to doctors, nurses and other medical professionals?

"Upon entering the emergency room, the admission staff quickly observed the medical emergency: I was having difficulty breathing. I was immediately escorted to the care area of the ER and met with a member of the medical team who performed the perfunctory vital signs and symptom identification.


The hospital staff responded to my symptoms and ordered a new CT scan and a broader, all- encompassing blood test. The results showed I had “unstable/abnormal vital signs and life-threatening conditions,” as described in my medical record. I was at risk of my airway being blocked by the mass indicated on the CT scan and I needed emergency intubation with ventilator support. They moved me to a surgical suite, inserted the oral intubation tube, and admitted me to the ICU immediately."

Emergency Room Medical Note:

IMPRESSION:

Increased inflammatory change in the deep left neck soft tissues with worsening swelling of the epiglottis and moderate to severe airway narrowing. Additional inflammatory change involving the left submandibular fossa and submandibular gland as well as the left anterior belly of the digastric. Findings suggest worsening infectious pharyngitis/tonsillitis/epiglottitis. No drainable collection.


Left glossotonsillar sulcus fullness persists. Although superimposed infection is likely, evaluation for an underlying malignancy should be pursued. Direct visualization and tissue sampling may be warranted by ENT. Follow-up CT neck with contrast in one to 3 months is recommended to confirm resolution.

No cervical lymphadenopathy by size criteria.

Incidental severe spinal canal narrowing C5-6 due to ossification of the posterior longitudinal ligament.

For the next two days, I rested comfortably, my body fighting the infection with the help of IV antibiotics, and the intubation tube that kept the mass away from my airway.

[Robert and Carol Marshall, Forty Four Hours in Heaven," page 13]

What is the book 44 hours in heaven abou | 44 Hours In Heaven Ministries

With only one known case worldwide, Robert's story provides the world's first living testimony of a man who died and spent 44 hours in Heaven. He was taught by Jesus about Heaven and how to understand the Bible. Robert shares his entire experience in Heaven and with Jesus.

www.44hoursinheavenministries.org

 

[BS Filter]

Tithing was the support system for the Priests and under the law. Tithing is not a church law. You can give as much as you feel led to give.

 

[DennisPTate]

Tithing was the support system for the Priests and under the law. Tithing is not a church law. You can give as much as you feel led to give.

True lots of people give a lot more than one tenth and on top of that they donate a huge amount of their time, effort and skills.