Sorry that you feel I was uncivil to you Amanda. Try reading again what I wrote. Several people have confirmed that I was neither mean nor condescending to you, just merely presenting another view point for consideration.
I don't recall seeing a post saying you made that claim and I don't recall you ever making such a claim but I do recall saying that you couldn't understand where I was coming from because YOU aren't a parent but that I could somehwat understnd where you were coming from because I have been a teenager. and I do recall saying that you used the "you just don't understand" standard answer teenagers give, which you dispute. Just as you said I used the standard "because I said so" answer, which I dispute.
As to the subject I asked about, it's really not that complicated Amanda. You either have an opinion of what demonstrates mature behavior (other than having sex) or you don't. Your nonresponse leds me to believe you don't have anything you can say which would bolster your case especially since you said yourself that you're not sure at what age someone is mature enough or what changes need to be made in society. *see I do read your posts*
If' you'd like I will refrain from attempting to engage you in conversation again since it seems to me that you only want to talk to people who agree with you
oh and btw, I never "got bent" with you, even when you insinuated that I might be fooling myself in believing that my daughter wasn't engaging in sexual activity, I remained quite civil towards you.
I got bent with Ang and Agna not you.