Planned Parenthood caught trafficking in human body parts

[aris2chat]

And? They are still closed due to the ACA as are many others. Not just free clinics but group homes that service mental health issues.

Some are happy some aren't ...they just lost or are losing funding.

You have a point? Besides the one on your head?

THey are closed because services can be gotten at regular hospitals now that people can get insurance.

I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, but for those who don't go around life saying "**** The Poor", this is a GOOD thing.

Which has nothing to do with PP still being needed to provide specialized treatment...

Care at a hospital still costs more and insurance companies don't want the expense. Medical insurance for the doctors is also making specialties out priced and insurance does not pay the doctors enough.

 

[JoeB131]

Care at a hospital still costs more and insurance companies don't want the expense. Medical insurance for the doctors is also making specialties out priced and insurance does not pay the doctors enough.

I don't disagree. We have a long way to go to fix our broken medical system.

Letting a bunch of religious nuts limit options isn't going to get us any closer to fixing it.

 

[Coyote]

Again, no proof, just spouting, listen Joeyboy, no offense but anything you post I consider a huge lie. It is your fault for all the lies you have spewed over the last few years.

You're the one who got the stat wrong.

I consider anything you post to "not be worth my time" unless I am humilating you.

Try to educate yourself, stupid.

The Truth Behind Late-Term Abortions Everyday Feminism

It figures you read Everyday Feminism....I bet you comment wearing chiffon

Are you trying to be an @ss?

Women can't read medical or issue sites that deal with male topics? Why shouldn't a man read about female issues? If nothing else it is educational and helps to understand? A simple search brings all types of sites so why should one be verboten for men to reference?

Chiffon???? you should change you screen name to silly after that comment. Go take a walk around the block and get some oxygen. You have a brain, use it to think before posting.

People need to stop thinking if abortion or termination as a substitute for birth control. I doubt any women makes a decision lightly, but they do what is best option for them. As for later term termination it is not because they don't want a child but because it is life safety issue or to prevent the child suffering and only surviving a short time.

The reason the fetus is take out in pieces during later term is because it is too large to be removed whole. Any reflex of the fetus is from the brain stem and not because it is alive or feels anything from the procedure. It is like frog legs twitching while sitting on a plate after being removed from the rest of the body. It is a residual electrical response. Our bodies react after we are dead, even after brain death family can't accept because the body muscles twitch and they misinterpret that with willing response to the sound of their voice or a touch of their hand.

The release of electrical energy stored up in the muscles and brain is not living and trying to keep someone artificially alive in that that state is any but quality of live and only prolongs the pain for the loved one rather than allow them to mourn.

No women would opt to not prevent a pregnancy in favor or abortion. When a woman has to make that choice it is because it is what is best after weighing the options for her.

You want to save unwanted children? Go adopt a few and care for them. No women should unwillingly be made to carry and give birth. Adoption is not an easy choice either.

Abortion is not an easy choice for a woman and I can't begin to imagine what a woman would go through giving up a child for adoption also. It's her choice and no one elses. I wish strangers, who know nothing about her would get the hell out of her private life.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Again, no proof, just spouting, listen Joeyboy, no offense but anything you post I consider a huge lie. It is your fault for all the lies you have spewed over the last few years.

You're the one who got the stat wrong.

I consider anything you post to "not be worth my time" unless I am humilating you.

Try to educate yourself, stupid.

The Truth Behind Late-Term Abortions Everyday Feminism

It figures you read Everyday Feminism....I bet you comment wearing chiffon

Are you trying to be an @ss?

Women can't read medical or issue sites that deal with male topics? Why shouldn't a man read about female issues? If nothing else it is educational and helps to understand? A simple search brings all types of sites so why should one be verboten for men to reference?

Chiffon???? you should change you screen name to silly after that comment. Go take a walk around the block and get some oxygen. You have a brain, use it to think before posting.

People need to stop thinking if abortion or termination as a substitute for birth control. I doubt any women makes a decision lightly, but they do what is best option for them. As for later term termination it is not because they don't want a child but because it is life safety issue or to prevent the child suffering and only surviving a short time.

The reason the fetus is take out in pieces during later term is because it is too large to be removed whole. Any reflex of the fetus is from the brain stem and not because it is alive or feels anything from the procedure. It is like frog legs twitching while sitting on a plate after being removed from the rest of the body. It is a residual electrical response. Our bodies react after we are dead, even after brain death family can't accept because the body muscles twitch and they misinterpret that with willing response to the sound of their voice or a touch of their hand.

The release of electrical energy stored up in the muscles and brain is not living and trying to keep someone artificially alive in that that state is any but quality of live and only prolongs the pain for the loved one rather than allow them to mourn.

No women would opt to not prevent a pregnancy in favor or abortion. When a woman has to make that choice it is because it is what is best after weighing the options for her.

You want to save unwanted children? Go adopt a few and care for them. No women should unwillingly be made to carry and give birth. Adoption is not an easy choice either.

Abortion is not an easy choice for a woman and I can't begin to imagine what a woman would go through giving up a child for adoption also. It's her choice and no one elses. I wish strangers, who know nothing about her would get the hell out of her private life.

We know the parent of one of ours, the other's mother passed away. We've invited the living mother to be part of his life but she has refused so far.

 

[Coyote]

Again, no proof, just spouting, listen Joeyboy, no offense but anything you post I consider a huge lie. It is your fault for all the lies you have spewed over the last few years.

You're the one who got the stat wrong.

I consider anything you post to "not be worth my time" unless I am humilating you.

Try to educate yourself, stupid.

The Truth Behind Late-Term Abortions Everyday Feminism

It figures you read Everyday Feminism....I bet you comment wearing chiffon

Are you trying to be an @ss?

Women can't read medical or issue sites that deal with male topics? Why shouldn't a man read about female issues? If nothing else it is educational and helps to understand? A simple search brings all types of sites so why should one be verboten for men to reference?

Chiffon???? you should change you screen name to silly after that comment. Go take a walk around the block and get some oxygen. You have a brain, use it to think before posting.

People need to stop thinking if abortion or termination as a substitute for birth control. I doubt any women makes a decision lightly, but they do what is best option for them. As for later term termination it is not because they don't want a child but because it is life safety issue or to prevent the child suffering and only surviving a short time.

The reason the fetus is take out in pieces during later term is because it is too large to be removed whole. Any reflex of the fetus is from the brain stem and not because it is alive or feels anything from the procedure. It is like frog legs twitching while sitting on a plate after being removed from the rest of the body. It is a residual electrical response. Our bodies react after we are dead, even after brain death family can't accept because the body muscles twitch and they misinterpret that with willing response to the sound of their voice or a touch of their hand.

The release of electrical energy stored up in the muscles and brain is not living and trying to keep someone artificially alive in that that state is any but quality of live and only prolongs the pain for the loved one rather than allow them to mourn.

No women would opt to not prevent a pregnancy in favor or abortion. When a woman has to make that choice it is because it is what is best after weighing the options for her.

You want to save unwanted children? Go adopt a few and care for them. No women should unwillingly be made to carry and give birth. Adoption is not an easy choice either.

Abortion is not an easy choice for a woman and I can't begin to imagine what a woman would go through giving up a child for adoption also. It's her choice and no one elses. I wish strangers, who know nothing about her would get the hell out of her private life.

We know the parent of one of ours, the other's mother passed away. We've invited the living mother to be part of his life but she has refused so far.

That's a wonderful offer from you

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You're the one who got the stat wrong.

I consider anything you post to "not be worth my time" unless I am humilating you.

Try to educate yourself, stupid.

The Truth Behind Late-Term Abortions Everyday Feminism

It figures you read Everyday Feminism....I bet you comment wearing chiffon

Are you trying to be an @ss?

Women can't read medical or issue sites that deal with male topics? Why shouldn't a man read about female issues? If nothing else it is educational and helps to understand? A simple search brings all types of sites so why should one be verboten for men to reference?

Chiffon???? you should change you screen name to silly after that comment. Go take a walk around the block and get some oxygen. You have a brain, use it to think before posting.

People need to stop thinking if abortion or termination as a substitute for birth control. I doubt any women makes a decision lightly, but they do what is best option for them. As for later term termination it is not because they don't want a child but because it is life safety issue or to prevent the child suffering and only surviving a short time.

The reason the fetus is take out in pieces during later term is because it is too large to be removed whole. Any reflex of the fetus is from the brain stem and not because it is alive or feels anything from the procedure. It is like frog legs twitching while sitting on a plate after being removed from the rest of the body. It is a residual electrical response. Our bodies react after we are dead, even after brain death family can't accept because the body muscles twitch and they misinterpret that with willing response to the sound of their voice or a touch of their hand.

The release of electrical energy stored up in the muscles and brain is not living and trying to keep someone artificially alive in that that state is any but quality of live and only prolongs the pain for the loved one rather than allow them to mourn.

No women would opt to not prevent a pregnancy in favor or abortion. When a woman has to make that choice it is because it is what is best after weighing the options for her.

You want to save unwanted children? Go adopt a few and care for them. No women should unwillingly be made to carry and give birth. Adoption is not an easy choice either.

Abortion is not an easy choice for a woman and I can't begin to imagine what a woman would go through giving up a child for adoption also. It's her choice and no one elses. I wish strangers, who know nothing about her would get the hell out of her private life.

We know the parent of one of ours, the other's mother passed away. We've invited the living mother to be part of his life but she has refused so far.

That's a wonderful offer from you

Thank you. It's only right, I think he needs to know her but unless she has an interest it's no use.He's a great kid and our son

 

[Faun]

I don't think that any laws were broken.

However, the bad press is probably the bigger story.

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

It's also illegal to sell human body parts.

There's no proof they were selling body parts.the videos demonstrate they were seeking minimal fees to cover expenses, which the law does allow.

Only a leftist defending cherished dogma could consider "we have it on videotape" to be "no proof".

Look up the word "proof", Chuckles.

The videos do not demonstrate what you claim. There is no proof among them that body parts were being sold. What is demonstrated was PP provided donated body parts where a prospective buyer was asked to cover the expenses related to the donation.

 

[FA_Q2]

Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

Apples and oranges.

How did anyone benefit from the War in Iraq other than Haliburton? That's actually kind of retarded.

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

 

[HenryBHough]

So somebody please share with us why you liberals are so cool with parting-out babies but get your little titties in a wringer when some Muslim beheads an adult. Especially since, comparatively, the beheadings are miniscule in number.

 

[Coyote]

Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

Apples and oranges.

How did anyone benefit from the War in Iraq other than Haliburton? That's actually kind of retarded.

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

She said :
Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

He brought up a specific conflict and asked how did anyone benefit in that?

That isn't a strawman.

 

[FA_Q2]

Again, no proof, just spouting, listen Joeyboy, no offense but anything you post I consider a huge lie. It is your fault for all the lies you have spewed over the last few years.

You're the one who got the stat wrong.

I consider anything you post to "not be worth my time" unless I am humilating you.

Try to educate yourself, stupid.

The Truth Behind Late-Term Abortions Everyday Feminism

It figures you read Everyday Feminism....I bet you comment wearing chiffon

Are you trying to be an @ss?

Women can't read medical or issue sites that deal with male topics? Why shouldn't a man read about female issues? If nothing else it is educational and helps to understand? A simple search brings all types of sites so why should one be verboten for men to reference?

Chiffon???? you should change you screen name to silly after that comment. Go take a walk around the block and get some oxygen. You have a brain, use it to think before posting.

People need to stop thinking if abortion or termination as a substitute for birth control. I doubt any women makes a decision lightly, but they do what is best option for them. As for later term termination it is not because they don't want a child but because it is life safety issue or to prevent the child suffering and only surviving a short time.

The reason the fetus is take out in pieces during later term is because it is too large to be removed whole. Any reflex of the fetus is from the brain stem and not because it is alive or feels anything from the procedure. It is like frog legs twitching while sitting on a plate after being removed from the rest of the body. It is a residual electrical response. Our bodies react after we are dead, even after brain death family can't accept because the body muscles twitch and they misinterpret that with willing response to the sound of their voice or a touch of their hand.

The release of electrical energy stored up in the muscles and brain is not living and trying to keep someone artificially alive in that that state is any but quality of live and only prolongs the pain for the loved one rather than allow them to mourn.

No women would opt to not prevent a pregnancy in favor or abortion. When a woman has to make that choice it is because it is what is best after weighing the options for her.

You want to save unwanted children? Go adopt a few and care for them. No women should unwillingly be made to carry and give birth. Adoption is not an easy choice either.

Abortion is not an easy choice for a woman and I can't begin to imagine what a woman would go through giving up a child for adoption also. It's her choice and no one elses. I wish strangers, who know nothing about her would get the hell out of her private life.

Really? It is her choice and no one else? Are you POSITIVE about that?

Because if that is the case then you really need to address those places where late term abortion is denied to women unless there is a threat to her life.

I wish that would be supporters of abortion would wake the **** up and bother to acknowledge that this is NOT just about the women but also about the future child who also deserves a modicum of protection already. Back abortion right, that's fine as I do too but at least acknowledge what we are dealing with and it is not simply her rights but the balancing act between the most basic of rights (the right to life) and the rights of the mother to control her own body.

 

[Faun]

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

It's also illegal to sell human body parts.

There's no proof they were selling body parts.the videos demonstrate they were seeking minimal fees to cover expenses, which the law does allow.

"minimal" fees are negotiable? LMAO

They can be when you don't know how much the expenses are. She can't even afford a tune up on a Lamborghini, no less purchasing one, making a few dollars on such a transaction.

Yeah, because God knows, PP only butchers a few babies here and there. It's not like they're doing a ghastly volume business in fetal corpses, or anything.

Your strawman aside, the woman from PP in that video intimated she was somewhat removed from the costs of those services. It's highly plausible she was indeed not up to date with the current costs involved.

 

[FA_Q2]

Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

Apples and oranges.

How did anyone benefit from the War in Iraq other than Haliburton? That's actually kind of retarded.

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

She said :
Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

He brought up a specific conflict and asked how did anyone benefit in that?

That isn't a strawman.

Yes it is. Sorry that you do not want to deal with that basic fact but the Iraq war - weather or not it benefited anything at all - is immaterial to the fact that the military benefits all.

Or I guess we could simply argue PP's merits based entirely on abortion and ignore the other services it offers. That is exactly what you just did with the military. Bring up a single engagement and ignore the entirety of the military's history to argue that it does not benefit all.

 

[Coyote]

Again, no proof, just spouting, listen Joeyboy, no offense but anything you post I consider a huge lie. It is your fault for all the lies you have spewed over the last few years.

You're the one who got the stat wrong.

I consider anything you post to "not be worth my time" unless I am humilating you.

Try to educate yourself, stupid.

The Truth Behind Late-Term Abortions Everyday Feminism

It figures you read Everyday Feminism....I bet you comment wearing chiffon

Are you trying to be an @ss?

Women can't read medical or issue sites that deal with male topics? Why shouldn't a man read about female issues? If nothing else it is educational and helps to understand? A simple search brings all types of sites so why should one be verboten for men to reference?

Chiffon???? you should change you screen name to silly after that comment. Go take a walk around the block and get some oxygen. You have a brain, use it to think before posting.

People need to stop thinking if abortion or termination as a substitute for birth control. I doubt any women makes a decision lightly, but they do what is best option for them. As for later term termination it is not because they don't want a child but because it is life safety issue or to prevent the child suffering and only surviving a short time.

The reason the fetus is take out in pieces during later term is because it is too large to be removed whole. Any reflex of the fetus is from the brain stem and not because it is alive or feels anything from the procedure. It is like frog legs twitching while sitting on a plate after being removed from the rest of the body. It is a residual electrical response. Our bodies react after we are dead, even after brain death family can't accept because the body muscles twitch and they misinterpret that with willing response to the sound of their voice or a touch of their hand.

The release of electrical energy stored up in the muscles and brain is not living and trying to keep someone artificially alive in that that state is any but quality of live and only prolongs the pain for the loved one rather than allow them to mourn.

No women would opt to not prevent a pregnancy in favor or abortion. When a woman has to make that choice it is because it is what is best after weighing the options for her.

You want to save unwanted children? Go adopt a few and care for them. No women should unwillingly be made to carry and give birth. Adoption is not an easy choice either.

Abortion is not an easy choice for a woman and I can't begin to imagine what a woman would go through giving up a child for adoption also. It's her choice and no one elses. I wish strangers, who know nothing about her would get the hell out of her private life.

Really? It is her choice and no one else? Are you POSITIVE about that?

Yes.

Because if that is the case then you really need to address those places where late term abortion is denied to women unless there is a threat to her life.

I have addressed it already.

I wish that would be supporters of abortion would wake the **** up and bother to acknowledge that this is NOT just about the women but also about the future child who also deserves a modicum of protection already. Back abortion right, that's fine as I do too but at least acknowledge what we are dealing with and it is not simply her rights but the balancing act between the most basic of rights (the right to life) and the rights of the mother to control her own body.

I've always said that it's a balancing of rights - at what point does the fetus' rights over-rule the mothers? The right of a person to control their own body is also a "most basic" of rights.

 

[Coyote]

How did anyone benefit from the War in Iraq other than Haliburton? That's actually kind of retarded.

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

She said :
Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

He brought up a specific conflict and asked how did anyone benefit in that?

That isn't a strawman.

Yes it is. Sorry that you do not want to deal with that basic fact but the Iraq war - weather or not it benefited anything at all - is immaterial to the fact that the military benefits all.

Or I guess we could simply argue PP's merits based entirely on abortion and ignore the other services it offers. That is exactly what you just did with the military. Bring up a single engagement and ignore the entirety of the military's history to argue that it does not benefit all.

That still doesn't make it a strawman. Yes - I agree, that in general the military does benefit us all. Looking at specific conflicts however, it is less clear.

When she responded with: You telling me you don't benefit from the military? No - he never said that, he brought up a specific conflict where it is doubtful there was much if any benefit. Which is what a strawman argument is

 

[BlueGin]

So somebody please share with us why you liberals are so cool with parting-out babies but get your little titties in a wringer when some Muslim beheads an adult. Especially since, comparatively, the beheadings are miniscule in number.

When have they ever acted like they were bothered by Muslims be heading Christians? Must have missed that.

 

[Lilah]

I don't think that any laws were broken.

However, the bad press is probably the bigger story.

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

It's also illegal to sell human body parts.

There's no proof they were selling body parts.the videos demonstrate they were seeking minimal fees to cover expenses, which the law does allow.

Only a leftist defending cherished dogma could consider "we have it on videotape" to be "no proof".

Look up the word "proof", Chuckles.

The videos do not demonstrate what you claim. There is no proof among them that body parts were being sold. What is demonstrated was PP provided donated body parts where a prospective buyer was asked to cover the expenses related to the donation.

Why did PP reprimand the doctors?

 

[FA_Q2]

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

She said :
Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

He brought up a specific conflict and asked how did anyone benefit in that?

That isn't a strawman.

Yes it is. Sorry that you do not want to deal with that basic fact but the Iraq war - weather or not it benefited anything at all - is immaterial to the fact that the military benefits all.

Or I guess we could simply argue PP's merits based entirely on abortion and ignore the other services it offers. That is exactly what you just did with the military. Bring up a single engagement and ignore the entirety of the military's history to argue that it does not benefit all.

That still doesn't make it a strawman. Yes - I agree, that in general the military does benefit us all. Looking at specific conflicts however, it is less clear.

When she responded with: You telling me you don't benefit from the military? No - he never said that, he brought up a specific conflict where it is doubtful there was much if any benefit. Which is what a strawman argument is

She never stated everyone benefited from the Iraq war.

Se how they are identical in the manner in which they attack an argument never made.

 

[BlueGin]

Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

Apples and oranges.

How did anyone benefit from the War in Iraq other than Haliburton? That's actually kind of retarded.

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

She said :
Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

He brought up a specific conflict and asked how did anyone benefit in that?

That isn't a strawman.

You denying all citizens benefit from the military?

 

[Coyote]

How did anyone benefit from the War in Iraq other than Haliburton? That's actually kind of retarded.

You telling me you don't benefit from the military?

Strawman. That isn't what he said. Who benefited from the war in Iraq?

It is interesting that you felt the need to point that out when his asinine question was a straw man itself - she never stated that the Iraq war benefited everyone but that the MILITARY benefited everyone. That is simply a fact that is painfully obvious.

Of course, that in itself is an asinine line of questioning anyway because it was assuming that the right is somehow the vaunted pro military action party when that has ceased to be the case. In general, both parties are now active war mongers and this president has presided in an expansion of overseas military action all over the place. Fewer troops on the ground (though we are going BACK to Iraq), a lot more missiles blowing shit up.

I don't really see the real advantage here.

She said :
Left wingers benefit from the services of the military.

He brought up a specific conflict and asked how did anyone benefit in that?

That isn't a strawman.

You denying all citizens benefit from the military?

Nice strawman from you too.