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Pete Rose
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In fact, he always bet on the Reds to win. It's the spread that he bet on. That can affect which pitchers he uses, and which pitchers he abuses.Absent evidence that he ever threw a single game for his gambling purposes (or for any other reason, for that matter) his record speaks for itself.
BackAgain
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I did not know that. And of course, that is a genuine risk and it would be a problem for MLB.In fact, he always bet on the Reds to win. It's the spread that he bet on. That can affect which pitchers he uses, and which pitchers he abuses.
Pete should be in the HOF.
Pete Rose will be on Phillies’ field for first time since lifetime MLB ban
Pete Rose is back — sort of.nypost.com
Answer the poll…
For awhile I was dead set against lifting the ban on him but with all the cheating from steroid usage to banging on the trash cans I have changed my mind and feel Pete Rose ban should be lifted.
So what say you and should the ban be lifted or should it stay until his death?
Indeependent
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He bet to win, not lose. He should be reinstated.Pete Rose will be on Phillies’ field for first time since lifetime MLB ban
Pete Rose is back — sort of.
Answer the poll…
For awhile I was dead set against lifting the ban on him but with all the cheating from steroid usage to banging on the trash cans I have changed my mind and feel Pete Rose ban should be lifted.
So what say you and should the ban be lifted or should it stay until his death?
Devils_Advocate
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I agree and it is time to let the past go…Pete should be in the HOF.
His performance on the field was stellar without PHDs. I'm a bit of a purist, but that was nothing like the doping of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and Clemons.I agree and it is time to let the past go…
Devils_Advocate
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Him, Carew, Ryan and so on were greats including Lou Brock and I am a Cubs fan.His performance on the field was stellar without PHDs. I'm a bit of a purist, but that was nothing like the doping of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and Clemons.
bonds would not have had the numbers he had on steroids if he never did them....so how would that have still made him the greatest ever?.....If you lift the ban, how do you ban future offenders? Why have the sign in every MLB clubhouse that says gambling will result in a lifetime ban?
The steroid users should absolutely be banned, their records erased.
Bonds is such an idiot. He would have still been the greatest player of all time, but he threw it away.
Canon Shooter
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Baseball wise, Rose definitely belongs in the HOF. Everyone knows he bet on baseball. He's been given multiple opportunities to admit it. Had he done so, he would have been welcome back into baseball and already be in the HOF. But his ego won't allow him to admit hebet on baseball. Therefore, he can go pound sand. He had his shot. He stays out and at this point, I wouldn't entertain inducting him even if he did recant. He had his chance. Same deal with Bonds. It's the arrogance and the ego that does men like these in.
What the fuck are you talking about? He admitted it in a televised interview in January of 2004. Go to the 2:05 mark in this video. He's asked outright if he had bet on baseball:
The fact that he didn't bet on the Reds to lose mitigates the whole affair for me...
I have mixed views and am conflicted. He knew the rules and knew that a lifetime ban was the punishment but did it anyway. But I'm also in favor of releasing people in jail for non-violent, simple selling of cannabis. But I don't think they should have their records expunged. It's legal now, but it was illegal when they did it, and like Rose, they knew it.
Devils_Advocate
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In the end he has done his time and it is time t let it go…I have mixed views and am conflicted. He knew the rules and knew that a lifetime ban was the punishment but did it anyway. But I'm also in favor of releasing people in jail for non-violent, simple selling of cannabis. But I don't think they should have their records expunged. It's legal now, but it was illegal when they did it, and like Rose, they knew it.
It's legal nowI have mixed views and am conflicted. He knew the rules and knew that a lifetime ban was the punishment but did it anyway. But I'm also in favor of releasing people in jail for non-violent, simple selling of cannabis. But I don't think they should have their records expunged. It's legal now, but it was illegal when they did it, and like Rose, they knew it.
not everywhere.....
Kind of goes against the idea of a lifetime ban, which was the well-known punishment.In the end he has done his time and it is time t let it go…
What also colors the Rose situation has been his atrocious behaviour since the ban. The Baseball Hall has an image they wish to protect, they are not controlled by MLB, and they have genuine concerns about his character and the things he has said and done since the ban.
Devils_Advocate
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Yeah, they have those like Ruth and Cobb in it, so their image isn’t squeaky clean with some of their players…Kind of goes against the idea of a lifetime ban, which was the well-known punishment.
What also colors the Rose situation has been his atrocious behaviour since the ban. The Baseball Hall has an image they wish to protect, they are not controlled by MLB, and they have genuine concerns about his character and the things he has said and done since the ban.
whats wrong with Ruth being in there?.....the guy saved baseball back then....Yeah, they have those like Ruth and Cobb in it, so their image isn’t squeaky clean with some of their players…
Devils_Advocate
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No, I am saying if we are going to judge someone based on their stupidity and try to pretend that Hall members are pristine players then Cobb and Ruth are my argument why Rose should be allowed.whats wrong with Ruth being in there?.....the guy saved baseball back then....
What the fuck are you talking about? He admitted it in a televised interview in January of 2004. Go to the 2:05 mark in this video. He's asked outright if he had bet on baseball:
The fact that he didn't bet on the Reds to lose mitigates the whole affair for me...
He did not make that assertion to the Commissioner of Baseball. THAT was his ticket back in. He refused to bow and kiss the ring. And baseball held it against him.
Life in the big city. He had his chance. ^Shrug^.
Canon Shooter
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He did not make that assertion to the Commissioner of Baseball. THAT was his ticket back in. He refused to bow and kiss the ring. And baseball held it against him.
Life in the big city. He had his chance. ^Shrug^.
You said Pete Rose did not admit to gambling on baseball.
That statement is 100% factually incorrect...
Fine. Let's amend it to say he didn't admit it to the right people. Charlie Gibson doesn't count.You said Pete Rose did not admit to gambling on baseball.
That statement is 100% factually incorrect...
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