Paying people off to avoid a scandal is perfectly legal

[Faun]

yes, Trump personally can donate as much as he wants out of his own personal funds, but NOT his business's funds.

His business can LOAN the trump campaign as much as they want, but they can not donate to it, is what I've read when looking it up during his campaign....

It's not a donation, turd.

Of course it is. “Anything of value for the purpose of influencing an election” is a contribution.

Paying Russian officials to dig dirt not included. Right??

That is your collusion

There is no crime for an ex-British spy to dig up dirt from Russians.

Yet your side pushed the same damn thing against Trump.......saying he was in ******* bed with them...........and basically he hired them to ******* hack the DNC.

Been hearing that garbage from your side for 2 years now...............same damn thing the DNC and Hillary did............you used that information to attack ANYONE ASSICIATED TO TRUMP........even though it was not confirmed............Then went on your little Witch Hunt to DESTROY anyone associated to Trump for political reasons.............

Why doesn't your Hero Mueller go out and put people in a Iron Maiden..........and torture them...........

Unfettered power and corruption..........from proven LIARS.........LEAKERS..........and PROFITEERS are criminals.

Nope, it’s not the same thing. Hillary paid an American firm for their services. People from Trump’s campaign are being investigated for direct links to foreign nationals who hacked the election.

 

[Faun]

https://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=faculty_scholarship

2 See, for example, the New York criminal code, which includes blackmail under both its criminal coercion and larceny by extortion statutes. N.Y. PENAL LAW§ 135.60 (McKinney 2004) ("Coercion in the second degree") states in relevant part: A person is guilty of coercion in the second degree when he compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in conduct in which he has a legal right to engage, by means of instilling in him a fear that, if the demand is not complied with, the actor or another will:

4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against him; or 5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule ... . And N.Y. PENAL LAW§ 155.05 (McKinney 1999) ("Larceny'') states in relevant part: 2. Larceny includes a wrongful taking, obtaining or withholding of another's property, with the intent prescribed in subdivision one of this section, committed in any of the following ways: (e) By extortion. A person obtains property by extortion when he compels or induces another person to deliver such property to himself or to a third person by means of instilling in him a fear that, if the property is not so delivered, the actor or another will: (iv) Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against him; or (v) Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule ... .

Like N.Y. PENAL LAW § 135.60, MODEL PENAL CODE § 212.5 (Proposed Official Draft 1962) ("Criminal Coercion") states in relevant part: (I) Offense Defined. A person is guilty of criminal coercion if, with purpose unlawfully to restrict another's freedom of action to his detriment, he threatens to: (b) accuse anyone of a criminal offense; or (c) expose any secret tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or to impair his credit or business repute .. .. And like N.Y. PENAL LAW § 155.05, MODEL PENAL CODE § 223.4 (Proposed Official Draft 1962) ("Theft by Extortion") states in relevant part: A person is guilty of theft if he purposely obtains property of another by threatening to: (2) accuse anyone of a criminal offense; or (3) expose any secret tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or to impair his credit or business repute\


Stormy screwed him for future personal gain.........then went to the press to make money off of it.....and obviously ACCEPTED MONEY from Trump to shut the **** up.

Sounds like D.D. has a lawsuit against P.P.

 

[BookShaka]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

It’s not ok when it’s a violation of election law

If Hillary did this you’d be in melt down

Now be quiet. You sound stupid

Trump & Co. is throwing everything they can get their hands on against the wall hoping that something will stick. Trump has a massive problem, but the Congress will give him enough shade to survive. After the mid-terms, without the Congress, he will at least be hamstrung and reduced to executive orders. In 2020, he is dead. BTW, he and his supporters are mirror images of each other. Sleaze is as sleaze does!!! Bigly.

Trump's response to Michael Cohen's plea deal, dissected - CNNPolitics

More wishful thinking by a Trump hater. What else is new?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are calling someone comrade after trump practically kissed Putin on the ass in Helsinki? You are a SLUG!

Last months hair on fire hyperbole from you Communist traitors.

You're such a moron, JimHate.

So, when you went to 11 with the Helsinki idiocy, did you GET HIM, Wiley Coyote?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Campaign fraud is the least of Trump's worries.

What campaign fraud, Herr Goebbels? You toss about slander with no basis.

Molesting children is the least of Chuck Schumer's worries.

I'm sure there will be a bunch of methed up Trump supporters (are there any that aren't on meth?) plowing into innocent folks with their cars and folks like you cheering them on from behind their keyboards.

I'm sure there will plenty of heroin addicted Trump haters (are there any not on heroin) out on Kristalnacht with ANTIFA like usual.

You didn't just lose an election, you lost your mind.

You're a vicious, evil little troll so consumed by rage and hatred that no reason can penetrate the boiling cauldron of shit between your ears.

Well, that response shows just how wrong I am in think you're an evil little troll so consumed by rage and hatred that no reason can penetrate the boiling cauldron of shit between your ears.

Well played Comrade, I couldn't have scripted a better response from you...

 

[Lewdog]

Because your question has nothing to do with this discussion and you are just going to try and state some conspiracy theory.

1. You folks contend that paying for an NDA to avoid embarrassment before an election, is a campaign expense, right?

2. Any entity that gives a candidate more than $2,700 in an election cycle is violating campaign finance laws, right?

3. It's been proven that sitting congress critter have used taxpayer funds to pay for NDAs far in excess of allowable campaign finance laws, WHY AREN'T YOU DEMANDING THEIR PROSECUTION???????????????

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You mean like Republican Blake Farenthold?

I mean anyone of either party. Should they be prosecuted for campaign finance violations? They accepted money far beyond the donation limits to pay for what you and your ilk say is a campaign expense.

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That money comes out of a fund for Congress, just like if a company has legal funds for settling cases of wrongdoing. I think it is ridiculous that any party should be getting their sexual harassment suits or whatever liability suit paid for with tax dollars. They rip off citizens enough already. The money should come out of their paychecks.

If Trump paying Stormy to sign an NDA is a campaign expense, then all the douchebags who used the Congressional fund to pay off sexual harassment claims also received illegal donations.

I don't think you scumbags have thought this one out. If you insist and trying to skewer Trump by labeling his payment as a campaign expense, then a lot of Dim politicians will be wriggling on the same hook.

It's a campaign contribution not an expense. An expense is paying for the plane ride to rallies... a contribution is anything of value like a cash donation, if someone caters a rally for free, or something like this where they pay someone not to say something that would damage their chances of getting elected.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A former Vice-President and long-term employee of the Trump Organization is a lying scumbag? Jesus H, man, it was his primary qualification for the job! They don't hire honest men at Trump Org because then they'd have to waste time corrupting them.

You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. You lie down with Trump, you get up with sleaze.

Michael Cohen is a former Vice-President?

Did he serve under Obama? Does Biden know about this?

You rage filled Bolsheviks have no grip on reality.

"A former Vice-President and long-term employee of the Trump Organization is a lying scumbag"

Dummy.

Comrade what was Cohen charged with? I don't mean the inflammatory and slanderous plea contract from Torquemada; what was Cohen charged with?

Michael Cohen Charging Documents

Knock yourself out. Once more won't hurt - I already foresee CTE in your future.

So Comrade, FALSE STATEMENTS are some of the charges?

But, but, but that would mean he is a "lying scumbag?"



You ******* Stalinists are so easy....

 

[BookShaka]

Unanswered of course is why anyone still supports a whore monger who surrounded himself with felons

You offered us Hillary and Bill, any other stupid questions?

2 years ago...

Why are you still supporting a whoremonger who surrounds himself with felons today?

War monger? Obama dropped 100 times more bombs than Trump ever thought of dropping. How many people did the Nobel peace prize winner kill with drones?

 

[Lewdog]

It's not a crime when 2 consenting adults screw each other..............Ethically........pretty shitty thing to do to your wife..........but it's not a crime.........

They had sex for future cashing in on doing so with Trump...........in Clinton's case they accused him of sexual abuse............Not hardly the same......Stormy bragged about it............didn't say he FORCED ME as was with Clinton............Big difference..........

You can say.........ehtically is it wrong .............yeah......I'd never cheat on my wife.........but legally...........your full of shit......

Now you judge me..........I see what I see...........I see an establishment ******* the entire country..........getting away with massive abuse of power........Obama was one of the dirtiest dang jerks I've seen in my lifetime..........You can try to say I KNOW NOTHING........about what happened with Federal Agencies then and I could care less .............too dang much went on for that excuse............

IRS targeting costing citizens millions in defense when they committed no crimes.............These same people were also targeted by the FBI, ATF and intel agencies..............because they disagree...............Those doing this are TRAITORS to the Republic............and these leftover assholes are the same ones that took part in it............

Same ones who gave Hillary a pass before she even testified..........same ones who got financial gain from the lobbies of the dirty political gang of Democraps.........

Tired of me saying this.........I don't care........you will continue to see these posts.

There's no evidence Trump has sex with Stormy other than her say-so.

Right, because people always pay off someone to keep quite about having sex with them when they did not have sex with them.

Damn, you are getting more desperate and more pathetic with each post.

Billionaires do it all the time. We understand that know one is going to hold a loser like you up for ransom. What could they get, a few CDs?

Can you provide some other examples of billionaires paying off people they did not even have sex with?

I do not cheat on my wife, so I do not have to worry such things. How many times have you been caught doing so?

You did not cheat on your wife because you never had the kind of opportunities shoved in your face that Trump has. He's a famous billionaire, and you're a loser posting on a bulletin board. How many gorgeous porno stars or beauty pageant winners have thrown themselves at you? We all know that none have. Your belief that you would not have indulged if you had been tested in such a way doesn't pass the laugh test.

I've seen some pretty ******* ugly people that have cheated on their significant other. People don't cheat on their partners with only playboy models and porn stars.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Link to what? That trump knew that the National Inquirer had her story and was sitting on it? It was revealed he knew about it on Cohen’s tape where they discussed buying the story from the inquirer.

Hey retard, you're mixing up the two whores.

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Dumbfuck, I mixed up no one as I never said I was talking about only one porn star. I was clear, comparing the National Inqurier sitting on a story with In Touch sitting on a story. And we know for a fact that Trump knew the inquirer was sitting on a story even though the story wasn’t released to the public; meaning you’re assumption he didn’t know about the In Touch article stems only from your brain, which you’ve proven is deformed.

Poor little retard, there's nothing being reported or written, that I've seen, that says Trump was aware of the In Touch interview. If he were aware, why would he pay her to not give an interview that she had already given several years before? You're the one making assumptions against logic.

.

To buy her silence for the election. You’re not very bright.

The way Obama bought the silence of Jeremiah Wright, Comrade traitor?

Oh that's right, it's only bad if Trump does it....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump knew about the National Enquirer story because the Publisher is a friend of his. Knowing about that story in no way implies he knew about the other story.

******* moron, I didn’t say Trump knew about the In Touch story because he knew about the Inquirer story. I said it’s ludicrous to assume he didn’t know about the In Touch story because he knew about the Inquirer story.

Who da **** cares. Only reason you give a rats add about it is to get impeachment. If he fucked her itsi really not my dang business.

She said she did it for fitfut positions and dang money. She was trying to sell a story that did Trump for financial gain.

She wasn't accusing him of rape. She was bragging about it.

Russia my ass.

You imbecile, I’ve never called for trump’s impeachment. Not even for his campaign finance laws violations.

Try arguing with reality, not with the voices you hear only in your head.

The dang Democrap agenda is Impeachment..........that is what they are shooting for.........many have stated it...........including Waterhead ....go stalk those who you don't like Waters...........

And Mr. Imbecile..............You have to Impeach him for this so called crime...........duh........

You dumbfucking imbecileconservative. Let me remind you what YOU said...

”Only reason you give a rats add about it is to get impeachment.​

See that, ^^^ moron? You were talking about me and not Congress.

Like I said, rightard, try arguing with reality, not with the voices you hear only in your head.

You filthy Communist traitors are trying to win a majority in congress to pursue you coup through an absurd impeachment.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Unanswered of course is why anyone still supports a whore monger who surrounded himself with felons

You offered us Hillary and Bill, any other stupid questions?

2 years ago...

Why are you still supporting a whoremonger who surrounds himself with felons today?

War monger? Obama dropped 100 times more bombs than Trump ever thought of dropping. How many people did the Nobel peace prize winner kill with drones?

More lies from the Trump sheep...

Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels
US air wars under Trump: increasingly indiscriminate, increasingly opaque
Donald Trump says he wants a safer world, yet has dropped more bombs than anyone on the Middle East

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
Nope, it’s not the same thing. Hillary paid an American firm for their services. People from Trump’s campaign are being investigated for direct links to foreign nationals who hacked the election.

Really ******* liar?

All I see from the Inquisition are investigations of bank fraud....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

******* moron, I didn’t say Trump knew about the In Touch story because he knew about the Inquirer story. I said it’s ludicrous to assume he didn’t know about the In Touch story because he knew about the Inquirer story.

Who da **** cares. Only reason you give a rats add about it is to get impeachment. If he fucked her itsi really not my dang business.

She said she did it for fitfut positions and dang money. She was trying to sell a story that did Trump for financial gain.

She wasn't accusing him of rape. She was bragging about it.

Russia my ass.

You imbecile, I’ve never called for trump’s impeachment. Not even for his campaign finance laws violations.

Try arguing with reality, not with the voices you hear only in your head.

The dang Democrap agenda is Impeachment..........that is what they are shooting for.........many have stated it...........including Waterhead ....go stalk those who you don't like Waters...........

And Mr. Imbecile..............You have to Impeach him for this so called crime...........duh........

You dumbfucking imbecileconservative. Let me remind you what YOU said...

”Only reason you give a rats add about it is to get impeachment.​

See that, ^^^ moron? You were talking about me and not Congress.

Like I said, rightard, try arguing with reality, not with the voices you hear only in your head.

You filthy Communist traitors are trying to win a majority in congress to pursue you coup through an absurd impeachment.

Denuclearized North Korea!

 

[Uncensored2008]

1. You folks contend that paying for an NDA to avoid embarrassment before an election, is a campaign expense, right?

2. Any entity that gives a candidate more than $2,700 in an election cycle is violating campaign finance laws, right?

3. It's been proven that sitting congress critter have used taxpayer funds to pay for NDAs far in excess of allowable campaign finance laws, WHY AREN'T YOU DEMANDING THEIR PROSECUTION???????????????

.

You mean like Republican Blake Farenthold?

I mean anyone of either party. Should they be prosecuted for campaign finance violations? They accepted money far beyond the donation limits to pay for what you and your ilk say is a campaign expense.

.

That money comes out of a fund for Congress, just like if a company has legal funds for settling cases of wrongdoing. I think it is ridiculous that any party should be getting their sexual harassment suits or whatever liability suit paid for with tax dollars. They rip off citizens enough already. The money should come out of their paychecks.

If Trump paying Stormy to sign an NDA is a campaign expense, then all the douchebags who used the Congressional fund to pay off sexual harassment claims also received illegal donations.

I don't think you scumbags have thought this one out. If you insist and trying to skewer Trump by labeling his payment as a campaign expense, then a lot of Dim politicians will be wriggling on the same hook.

It's a campaign contribution not an expense. An expense is paying for the plane ride to rallies... a contribution is anything of value like a cash donation, if someone caters a rally for free, or something like this where they pay someone not to say something that would damage their chances of getting elected.

Lying again, huh Lewd.

How does one make a "contribution" to their own campaign?

Donald Trump can spend as much of his own money as he pleases to try and get elected.

You Communists are such foolish little scum...

 

[OKTexas]

In 1998 they were asking "what's a hummer?" What's semen? And turds like you defended Clinton to the last man.

As the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. What Clinton did 20 years ago was wrong but that is not justification for Trump's lifestyle of infidelity and promiscuous behavior.

It's not a crime when 2 consenting adults screw each other..............Ethically........pretty shitty thing to do to your wife..........but it's not a crime.........

They had sex for future cashing in on doing so with Trump...........in Clinton's case they accused him of sexual abuse............Not hardly the same......Stormy bragged about it............didn't say he FORCED ME as was with Clinton............Big difference..........

You can say.........ehtically is it wrong .............yeah......I'd never cheat on my wife.........but legally...........your full of shit......

Now you judge me..........I see what I see...........I see an establishment ******* the entire country..........getting away with massive abuse of power........Obama was one of the dirtiest dang jerks I've seen in my lifetime..........You can try to say I KNOW NOTHING........about what happened with Federal Agencies then and I could care less .............too dang much went on for that excuse............

IRS targeting costing citizens millions in defense when they committed no crimes.............These same people were also targeted by the FBI, ATF and intel agencies..............because they disagree...............Those doing this are TRAITORS to the Republic............and these leftover assholes are the same ones that took part in it............

Same ones who gave Hillary a pass before she even testified..........same ones who got financial gain from the lobbies of the dirty political gang of Democraps.........

Tired of me saying this.........I don't care........you will continue to see these posts.

1. You folks contend that paying for an NDA to avoid embarrassment before an election, is a campaign expense, right?

Cohen's payment was an illegal campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense.

Contributions and expenses are literal opposites.

So you're saying the NDA wasn't a campaign expense? And a personal loan, not used for a campaign expense, is still a campaign contribution. Did I get your sentiment correct there?

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Contributions are monies paid into the campaign. Cohen paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to benefit the campaign. The was is gross excess of the federal contribution limits. The funds didn't come out of the campaign coffers. But from Cohen personally, at Trumps personal direction. Making your description of Cohen's payments as a campaign expense simply wrong.

Trump reimembursed Cohen AFTER the election. And it being Trump, of course it was done through fraud. Faked time lines, fraudulent invoices, faked work descriptions. And obviously without reporting any of it to the FEC.

All of which has been turned over to federal prosecutors and submitted to the court.

Cohen's money didn't go to Trump or the campaign, it went to finance the NDA.

IT went to immediately benefit the campaign. But came out of Cohen's pocket. Not the campaign's.

Thus, a campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense. You've literally got opposites confused with each other. You probably want to stop polishing that turd and just accept the fact that you used the wrong term.

Trump, not the campaign reimbursed Cohen, so how could Cohen's outlay been a contribution to the campaign, when the purpose it was used for wasn't a campaign expenditure? It was basically just a short term personal loan to Trump.

Trump reimbursed him after the election.....under fraudulent circumstances, as its Trump. So of course it involved fraud, lies, faked time lines, and false invoices.

Now for your 'short term loan' theory. Even by that logic, the short term loan was for the purpose of aiding his presidential campaign. And loans are subject to campaign contribution limits too. Says who? Says the FEC.

If any person, including a relative or friend of the candidate, gives or loans the candidate money “for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office,” the funds are not considered personal funds of the candidate even if they are given to the candidate directly. Instead, the gift or loan is considered a contribution from the donor to the campaign, subject to the per-election limit and reportable by the campaign. This is true even if the candidate uses the funds for personal living expenses while campaigning.

Personal loans from the candidate - FEC.gov

And of course, because its Trump none of this sizable transaction was reported to the FEC. It was all done through shell companies, using fake invoices and fraudulent time lines. With Trump trying backdate the reason for the payment from 2016, when the illegal campaign contribution was made to 2017.

And there's a paper trail for all of it. With Trump's own CFO now having an immunity deal. So we're likely to learn even more of the fraudulent and corrupt criminal practices within the Trump organization.

The NDA was executed in 2016, how could it have been considered a contribution in 2017?

.

 

[Lewdog]

As the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. What Clinton did 20 years ago was wrong but that is not justification for Trump's lifestyle of infidelity and promiscuous behavior.

It's not a crime when 2 consenting adults screw each other..............Ethically........pretty shitty thing to do to your wife..........but it's not a crime.........

They had sex for future cashing in on doing so with Trump...........in Clinton's case they accused him of sexual abuse............Not hardly the same......Stormy bragged about it............didn't say he FORCED ME as was with Clinton............Big difference..........

You can say.........ehtically is it wrong .............yeah......I'd never cheat on my wife.........but legally...........your full of shit......

Now you judge me..........I see what I see...........I see an establishment ******* the entire country..........getting away with massive abuse of power........Obama was one of the dirtiest dang jerks I've seen in my lifetime..........You can try to say I KNOW NOTHING........about what happened with Federal Agencies then and I could care less .............too dang much went on for that excuse............

IRS targeting costing citizens millions in defense when they committed no crimes.............These same people were also targeted by the FBI, ATF and intel agencies..............because they disagree...............Those doing this are TRAITORS to the Republic............and these leftover assholes are the same ones that took part in it............

Same ones who gave Hillary a pass before she even testified..........same ones who got financial gain from the lobbies of the dirty political gang of Democraps.........

Tired of me saying this.........I don't care........you will continue to see these posts.

Cohen's payment was an illegal campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense.

Contributions and expenses are literal opposites.

So you're saying the NDA wasn't a campaign expense? And a personal loan, not used for a campaign expense, is still a campaign contribution. Did I get your sentiment correct there?

.

Contributions are monies paid into the campaign. Cohen paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to benefit the campaign. The was is gross excess of the federal contribution limits. The funds didn't come out of the campaign coffers. But from Cohen personally, at Trumps personal direction. Making your description of Cohen's payments as a campaign expense simply wrong.

Trump reimembursed Cohen AFTER the election. And it being Trump, of course it was done through fraud. Faked time lines, fraudulent invoices, faked work descriptions. And obviously without reporting any of it to the FEC.

All of which has been turned over to federal prosecutors and submitted to the court.

Cohen's money didn't go to Trump or the campaign, it went to finance the NDA.

IT went to immediately benefit the campaign. But came out of Cohen's pocket. Not the campaign's.

Thus, a campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense. You've literally got opposites confused with each other. You probably want to stop polishing that turd and just accept the fact that you used the wrong term.

Trump, not the campaign reimbursed Cohen, so how could Cohen's outlay been a contribution to the campaign, when the purpose it was used for wasn't a campaign expenditure? It was basically just a short term personal loan to Trump.

Trump reimbursed him after the election.....under fraudulent circumstances, as its Trump. So of course it involved fraud, lies, faked time lines, and false invoices.

Now for your 'short term loan' theory. Even by that logic, the short term loan was for the purpose of aiding his presidential campaign. And loans are subject to campaign contribution limits too. Says who? Says the FEC.

If any person, including a relative or friend of the candidate, gives or loans the candidate money “for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office,” the funds are not considered personal funds of the candidate even if they are given to the candidate directly. Instead, the gift or loan is considered a contribution from the donor to the campaign, subject to the per-election limit and reportable by the campaign. This is true even if the candidate uses the funds for personal living expenses while campaigning.

Personal loans from the candidate - FEC.gov

And of course, because its Trump none of this sizable transaction was reported to the FEC. It was all done through shell companies, using fake invoices and fraudulent time lines. With Trump trying backdate the reason for the payment from 2016, when the illegal campaign contribution was made to 2017.

And there's a paper trail for all of it. With Trump's own CFO now having an immunity deal. So we're likely to learn even more of the fraudulent and corrupt criminal practices within the Trump organization.

The NDA was executed in 2016, how could it have been considered a contribution in 2017?

.

Trump paid Cohen back starting in January 2017.

 

[joaquinmiller]

A former Vice-President and long-term employee of the Trump Organization is a lying scumbag? Jesus H, man, it was his primary qualification for the job! They don't hire honest men at Trump Org because then they'd have to waste time corrupting them.

You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. You lie down with Trump, you get up with sleaze.

Michael Cohen is a former Vice-President?

Did he serve under Obama? Does Biden know about this?

You rage filled Bolsheviks have no grip on reality.

"A former Vice-President and long-term employee of the Trump Organization is a lying scumbag"

Dummy.

Comrade what was Cohen charged with? I don't mean the inflammatory and slanderous plea contract from Torquemada; what was Cohen charged with?

Michael Cohen Charging Documents

Knock yourself out. Once more won't hurt - I already foresee CTE in your future.

So Comrade, FALSE STATEMENTS are some of the charges?

But, but, but that would mean he is a "lying scumbag?"



You ******* Stalinists are so easy....

I never denied he was a lying scumbag, you pinheaded ****. I said it was his primary qualification for employment in the Trump Organization - of which he was a Vice-President.

You find things "easy" because you just say stupid shit.

 

[OKTexas]

The sentencing recommendation was part of the agreement. Why did you avoid my question?

Because your question has nothing to do with this discussion and you are just going to try and state some conspiracy theory.

1. You folks contend that paying for an NDA to avoid embarrassment before an election, is a campaign expense, right?

2. Any entity that gives a candidate more than $2,700 in an election cycle is violating campaign finance laws, right?

3. It's been proven that sitting congress critter have used taxpayer funds to pay for NDAs far in excess of allowable campaign finance laws, WHY AREN'T YOU DEMANDING THEIR PROSECUTION???????????????

.

You mean like Republican Blake Farenthold?

I mean anyone of either party. Should they be prosecuted for campaign finance violations? They accepted money far beyond the donation limits to pay for what you and your ilk say is a campaign expense.

.

That money comes out of a fund for Congress, just like if a company has legal funds for settling cases of wrongdoing. I think it is ridiculous that any party should be getting their sexual harassment suits or whatever liability suit paid for with tax dollars. They rip off citizens enough already. The money should come out of their paychecks.

Since these funds are used to keep embarrassing situations quiet to keep a congresscritter more electable, how can they not be considered campaign contributions. Aren't they being spent to influence an election? You can't have it both ways, if Trump and Cohen are criminals, these congresscritter must be too, they're not reporting these contributions form the taxpayers.

.

 

[Skylar]

As the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. What Clinton did 20 years ago was wrong but that is not justification for Trump's lifestyle of infidelity and promiscuous behavior.

It's not a crime when 2 consenting adults screw each other..............Ethically........pretty shitty thing to do to your wife..........but it's not a crime.........

They had sex for future cashing in on doing so with Trump...........in Clinton's case they accused him of sexual abuse............Not hardly the same......Stormy bragged about it............didn't say he FORCED ME as was with Clinton............Big difference..........

You can say.........ehtically is it wrong .............yeah......I'd never cheat on my wife.........but legally...........your full of shit......

Now you judge me..........I see what I see...........I see an establishment ******* the entire country..........getting away with massive abuse of power........Obama was one of the dirtiest dang jerks I've seen in my lifetime..........You can try to say I KNOW NOTHING........about what happened with Federal Agencies then and I could care less .............too dang much went on for that excuse............

IRS targeting costing citizens millions in defense when they committed no crimes.............These same people were also targeted by the FBI, ATF and intel agencies..............because they disagree...............Those doing this are TRAITORS to the Republic............and these leftover assholes are the same ones that took part in it............

Same ones who gave Hillary a pass before she even testified..........same ones who got financial gain from the lobbies of the dirty political gang of Democraps.........

Tired of me saying this.........I don't care........you will continue to see these posts.

Cohen's payment was an illegal campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense.

Contributions and expenses are literal opposites.

So you're saying the NDA wasn't a campaign expense? And a personal loan, not used for a campaign expense, is still a campaign contribution. Did I get your sentiment correct there?

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Contributions are monies paid into the campaign. Cohen paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to benefit the campaign. The was is gross excess of the federal contribution limits. The funds didn't come out of the campaign coffers. But from Cohen personally, at Trumps personal direction. Making your description of Cohen's payments as a campaign expense simply wrong.

Trump reimembursed Cohen AFTER the election. And it being Trump, of course it was done through fraud. Faked time lines, fraudulent invoices, faked work descriptions. And obviously without reporting any of it to the FEC.

All of which has been turned over to federal prosecutors and submitted to the court.

Cohen's money didn't go to Trump or the campaign, it went to finance the NDA.

IT went to immediately benefit the campaign. But came out of Cohen's pocket. Not the campaign's.

Thus, a campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense. You've literally got opposites confused with each other. You probably want to stop polishing that turd and just accept the fact that you used the wrong term.

Trump, not the campaign reimbursed Cohen, so how could Cohen's outlay been a contribution to the campaign, when the purpose it was used for wasn't a campaign expenditure? It was basically just a short term personal loan to Trump.

Trump reimbursed him after the election.....under fraudulent circumstances, as its Trump. So of course it involved fraud, lies, faked time lines, and false invoices.

Now for your 'short term loan' theory. Even by that logic, the short term loan was for the purpose of aiding his presidential campaign. And loans are subject to campaign contribution limits too. Says who? Says the FEC.

If any person, including a relative or friend of the candidate, gives or loans the candidate money “for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office,” the funds are not considered personal funds of the candidate even if they are given to the candidate directly. Instead, the gift or loan is considered a contribution from the donor to the campaign, subject to the per-election limit and reportable by the campaign. This is true even if the candidate uses the funds for personal living expenses while campaigning.

Personal loans from the candidate - FEC.gov

And of course, because its Trump none of this sizable transaction was reported to the FEC. It was all done through shell companies, using fake invoices and fraudulent time lines. With Trump trying backdate the reason for the payment from 2016, when the illegal campaign contribution was made to 2017.

And there's a paper trail for all of it. With Trump's own CFO now having an immunity deal. So we're likely to learn even more of the fraudulent and corrupt criminal practices within the Trump organization.

The NDA was executed in 2016, how could it have been considered a contribution in 2017?

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How indeed.

And the deceit and fraud committed by Trump go further still. As when Trump reimbursed Cohen in 2017 for the illegal campaign contribution made in 2016......he also used a fraudulent description of work. With the faked invoices claiming it was for legal work Cohen did in February of 2017.

And the Feds have the entire paper trail now. Every last fraudulent scrap of it.