Zebra
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why did he say so?
and do you agree?
I dont.
and do you agree?
I dont.
Zone1 Paul said that women should be quiet in church
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Ask Ding. He will tell you that Paul didn't intend that to be taken literally, as he knows to be with the Noah's ark story or the story about Jonah's big fish.
More intelligent Christians can have honest thoughts and not be punished by the god for thinking.
Some restraint and caution should be observed before being truthful with old school believers.
OhPleaseJustQuit
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There aren't any loud women in my church, and my priest is almighty patient with loud children.
It's something I've started accepting, that loud Catholic Children are the Catholics of tomorrow. That's why I love seeing the family a few pews ahead of me with their six children. Most of the parents in my parish are pretty good about removing the kids briefly if they get too loud.
And my priest realizes that the church would not operate without the women, and thanks us frequently.
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I don't agree because in reading the Bible, I recall Paul praising several women for their role in the early church. So that thought about being quiet and taking a back seat in term of religious teaching and leadership seem contradictory.
I have no memory for the specifics (names and verses) and so I submit this to ChatGPT:
"What does Paul say in the bible that praises women in their church leadership?"
AI responded:
That chapter is packed with female leaders:
So while some passages in Paul’s letters (like 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 or 1 Timothy 2:12) are often read as restrictive, his practice and greetings show women leading, teaching, hosting churches, and even serving as apostles and deacons.
Would you like me to put together a short list of just Paul’s most explicit affirmations of women leaders (the “greatest hits”), or do you want the wider context where he mixes restrictions with affirmations?
I have no memory for the specifics (names and verses) and so I submit this to ChatGPT:
"What does Paul say in the bible that praises women in their church leadership?"
AI responded:
1. Phoebe (Romans 16:1–2)
- Paul calls Phoebe a deacon (Greek diakonos, the same word he uses for male deacons).
- He also describes her as a benefactor/patron (prostatis), a term of authority and leadership.
- Many scholars believe Phoebe may have carried Paul’s letter to the Romans, a huge responsibility.
2. Priscilla (Romans 16:3–4; Acts 18:26)
- Paul consistently lists Priscilla’s name before her husband’s, which was unusual in that culture — often taken as a sign of her prominence.
- In Acts 18:26, Priscilla (with Aquila) taught Apollos, a powerful preacher, correcting his theology.
3. Junia (Romans 16:7)
- Junia is a woman named as an apostle.
- Early church fathers (Chrysostom, Origen, etc.) affirmed she was female. Later translations tried to masculinize the name, but modern scholarship overwhelmingly restores “Junia.”
- Paul calls her “outstanding among the apostles.”
4. Other Women in Leadership (Romans 16)
That chapter is packed with female leaders:
- Mary — “worked very hard for you” (v. 6).
- Tryphena and Tryphosa — “those women who work hard in the Lord” (v. 12).
- Persis — “another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord” (v. 12).
- Nympha — host of a house church (Colossians 4:15).
- Euodia and Syntyche — “co-workers who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel” (Philippians 4:2–3).
So while some passages in Paul’s letters (like 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 or 1 Timothy 2:12) are often read as restrictive, his practice and greetings show women leading, teaching, hosting churches, and even serving as apostles and deacons.Would you like me to put together a short list of just Paul’s most explicit affirmations of women leaders (the “greatest hits”), or do you want the wider context where he mixes restrictions with affirmations?
Woodznutz
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It has to do with women openly questioning what is preached or said by a pastor or male member, thus causing a disruption. They are instructed to ask their husbands to explain when they get home.
Nobody should talk loudly in the sanctuary. It's not a social hall.
Zebra
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yes,,Junia was an apostleI don't agree because in reading the Bible, I recall Paul praising several women for their role in the early church. So that thought about being quiet and taking a back seat in term of religious teaching and leadership seem contradictory.
I have no memory for the specifics (names and verses) and so I submit this to ChatGPT:
"What does Paul say in the bible that praises women in their church leadership?"
AI responded:
1. Phoebe (Romans 16:1–2)
- Paul calls Phoebe a deacon (Greek diakonos, the same word he uses for male deacons).
- He also describes her as a benefactor/patron (prostatis), a term of authority and leadership.
- Many scholars believe Phoebe may have carried Paul’s letter to the Romans, a huge responsibility.
2. Priscilla (Romans 16:3–4; Acts 18:26)
- Paul consistently lists Priscilla’s name before her husband’s, which was unusual in that culture — often taken as a sign of her prominence.
- In Acts 18:26, Priscilla (with Aquila) taught Apollos, a powerful preacher, correcting his theology.
3. Junia (Romans 16:7)
- Junia is a woman named as an apostle.
- Early church fathers (Chrysostom, Origen, etc.) affirmed she was female. Later translations tried to masculinize the name, but modern scholarship overwhelmingly restores “Junia.”
- Paul calls her “outstanding among the apostles.”
4. Other Women in Leadership (Romans 16)
That chapter is packed with female leaders:
- Mary — “worked very hard for you” (v. 6).
- Tryphena and Tryphosa — “those women who work hard in the Lord” (v. 12).
- Persis — “another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord” (v. 12).
- Nympha — host of a house church (Colossians 4:15).
- Euodia and Syntyche — “co-workers who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel” (Philippians 4:2–3).
Would you like me to put together a short list of just Paul’s most explicit affirmations of women leaders (the “greatest hits”), or do you want the wider context where he mixes restrictions with affirmations?
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We pray the Rosary before Mass on Saturday evening, and by the time we're half done, people are loudly entering the nave.
Unfortunate.
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What verse is that?
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send your wives here, and I will tell them that the guys are full of shit for trying to muzzle them
Woodznutz
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1 Corinthians 14:34.
Sounds like Jewish law.
Woodznutz
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It might be a manifestation of women's 'submission' to their husbands and by extension male authority in the church.
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Well back when Paul was alive women were pretty much considered property and that happens today. For example in the 1800's if a woman stepped out of line a man in her family could have her committed to an Insane Asylum. In some Muslim countries women aren't allowed to go anywhere unless accompanied by the appropriate kind of man
Zebra
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here Junia and other female names are mentionedI don't agree because in reading the Bible, I recall Paul praising several women for their role in the early church. So that thought about being quiet and taking a back seat in term of religious teaching and leadership seem contradictory.
I have no memory for the specifics (names and verses) and so I submit this to ChatGPT:
"What does Paul say in the bible that praises women in their church leadership?"
AI responded:
1. Phoebe (Romans 16:1–2)
- Paul calls Phoebe a deacon (Greek diakonos, the same word he uses for male deacons).
- He also describes her as a benefactor/patron (prostatis), a term of authority and leadership.
- Many scholars believe Phoebe may have carried Paul’s letter to the Romans, a huge responsibility.
2. Priscilla (Romans 16:3–4; Acts 18:26)
- Paul consistently lists Priscilla’s name before her husband’s, which was unusual in that culture — often taken as a sign of her prominence.
- In Acts 18:26, Priscilla (with Aquila) taught Apollos, a powerful preacher, correcting his theology.
3. Junia (Romans 16:7)
- Junia is a woman named as an apostle.
- Early church fathers (Chrysostom, Origen, etc.) affirmed she was female. Later translations tried to masculinize the name, but modern scholarship overwhelmingly restores “Junia.”
- Paul calls her “outstanding among the apostles.”
4. Other Women in Leadership (Romans 16)
That chapter is packed with female leaders:
- Mary — “worked very hard for you” (v. 6).
- Tryphena and Tryphosa — “those women who work hard in the Lord” (v. 12).
- Persis — “another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord” (v. 12).
- Nympha — host of a house church (Colossians 4:15).
- Euodia and Syntyche — “co-workers who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel” (Philippians 4:2–3).
Would you like me to put together a short list of just Paul’s most explicit affirmations of women leaders (the “greatest hits”), or do you want the wider context where he mixes restrictions with affirmations?
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