Paul Ryan: The "Clever" racist

[Nutz]

He meant everyone, huh.

When did they move the white trash trailer parks to the middle of the inner cities? I must have missed when they did that.

To read here, one would think there were no white trash men bumming beer and cig money and not working every day all day.

White trash is invisible trash.

Regards from Rosie

No one here realizes this, but blacks on welfare receive housing in the inner city...whites on welfare get section 8 housing in apartment complexes in the suburbs.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Did Obama say there was a problem or did he blame an immeasurable such as "laziness".

See, in order for Paul statement to be try there has to be evidence of "laziness". Since there is no study or any way to measure the amount of lazy it has to come from his own perception.

His perception is not a fact.

Except he didn't say "lazy." How is it you determine there needs to be a study on "lazy blacks" or it is just based on his perceptions? He was addressing multigenerational poverty in inner cities. You perceived he was talking about lazy blacks. Inner cities have whites and hispanics and asians too. They suffer the same as their black counterparts. It is not a race issue nor was it presented as such.

Aww thats cute but no one is buying it. Good try tho

I'm buying it - what Paul Ryan said was almost identical to what Obama said in launching the My Brother's Keeper initiative.

I can sort of understand that when a white person says nigg_r, it has a whole different connotation than when a black person says it.

But this is NOT (or should not) be in the same category. If we are to address our nation's problems, we have to be able to speak about them out loud. I didn't hear any condescension, or any blame, or disparagement in what Ryan said. And just because it is a white man who said it, that's not racist.

Now, if Ryan has a history that I am not aware of, that might be a little different. But from where I'm sitting - I think Lee is in the wrong here.

But tell you what - what if Lee started talking about the problems in the trailerparks down south .... would anyone "hear" racism in THOSE comments?

 

[Truthseeker420]

Blaming the problem on lazy blacks is what the left will claim was said no matter how far from the truth it is.

Why did he backpedal on his comment?

Because it not PC to tell the truth.

Next question

So he is weak?

 

[Rocko]

He meant everyone, huh.

When did they move the white trash trailer parks to the middle of the inner cities? I must have missed when they did that.

To read here, one would think there were no white trash men bumming beer and cig money and not working every day all day.

White trash is invisible trash.

Regards from Rosie

No one here realizes this, but blacks on welfare receive housing in the inner city...whites on welfare get section 8 housing in apartment complexes in the suburbs.

Blacks get section 8 housing too. And who's fault is it that inner city black communities are unpleasant places to live?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrat policies have done wonders for the Inner cities these past 50 years

 

[ClosedCaption]

Combine his words with him citing Charles Murray

To make matters worse, Ryan cited Charles Murray, who is the author of The Bell Curve. Murray has argued that intelligence is genetic, and that whites are naturally more intelligent than blacks. He has also claimed that all social welfare programs will inevitably have a negative effect on a society. Overall, Murray’s studies have been used by many to justify their notions of white supremacy.

Of course there could be a million different reasons why ranging from Murray is a sexy author to Murray is his doppelganger. But in order to find those other possible reasons you have to skip over the most obvious of reasons.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...wDXDrBryATguPMfGA&sig2=vQf6W-lyth3ki3iRn_hetw

 

[Rocko]

Why did he backpedal on his comment?

Because it not PC to tell the truth.

Next question

So he is weak?

No, he just wants to avoid the political fallout for telling the truth. Sick isn't it?

 

[martybegan]

Combine his words with him citing Charles Murray

To make matters worse, Ryan cited Charles Murray, who is the author of The Bell Curve. Murray has argued that intelligence is genetic, and that whites are naturally more intelligent than blacks. He has also claimed that all social welfare programs will inevitably have a negative effect on a society. Overall, Murray’s studies have been used by many to justify their notions of white supremacy.

Of course there could be a million different reasons why ranging from Murray is a sexy author to Murray is his doppelganger. But in order to find those other possible reasons you have to skip over the most obvious of reasons.

One part of the controversy concerned the parts of the book which dealt with racial group differences on IQ and the consequences of this. The authors were reported throughout the popular press as arguing that these IQ differences are genetic, and they did indeed write in chapter 13: "It seems highly likely to us that both genes and the environment have something to do with racial differences." The introduction to the chapter more cautiously states, "The debate about whether and how much genes and environment have to do with ethnic differences remains unresolved."

Once again you cherry pick information to make your standard outrage porn based point.

 

[Nutz]

Blaming the problem on lazy blacks is what the left will claim was said no matter how far from the truth it is.

Why did he backpedal on his comment?

Because it not PC to tell the truth.

Next question

But it is Politically Convienent to pander to the lowest common denominator of your base - blaming blacks for all of the problems in the world while ignoring all other issues because of the (very obvious) inner city problem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think his comments were racist at all...and I'm black. I just think comments like this are ill advised. Unless the GOP is willing to have a sincere and honest discussion about race, racism, and prejudice...they need to just stick with the basis of conservative ideals...because no matter what they say, the left will always point to racism.

Just look at this forum, there is never a civil discussion if race is the issue.

 

[The Rabbi]

Paul Ryan insists his ‘inarticulate’ comments about ‘inner city’ men were not about race

Paul Ryan insists his ?inarticulate? comments about ?inner city? men were not about race | The Raw Story

Paul Ryan attempted to walk back Wednesday’s comment in which described a “culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working, and just generations of men not even thinking about working and learning the value and culture of work.”

In a statement issued to ThinkProgress, Ryan insisted that his comment wasn’t “a thinly veiled racial attack,” as Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, characterized it.

“It is clear that I was inarticulate about the point I was trying to make,” Ryan said in the statement. “I was not implicating the culture of one community—but of society as a whole. We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work.”


Ryan told a blogger from Crew of 42 that his initial comments had “nothing to do whatsoever with race.”

See?

When Paul talks about the "culture" of the citizens in the "inner city" he didnt mean "culture" or "inner city". What he really meant was everyone everywhere and just failed to "articulate" it correctly.

Good job GOP...Maybe you can win an election without blacks. Just stop defending shit like this and asking why you arent an attractive option for blacks.

Typically when you talk down to people....studies have shown they dont really appreciate it

Because when you say inner city people not working for generations, you're talking about Koreans, right?

You are an ignorant shitbag retailing crap you pick up elsewhere about people whose toenails contain more knowledge than you ever will.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Combine his words with him citing Charles Murray

To make matters worse, Ryan cited Charles Murray, who is the author of The Bell Curve. Murray has argued that intelligence is genetic, and that whites are naturally more intelligent than blacks. He has also claimed that all social welfare programs will inevitably have a negative effect on a society. Overall, Murray’s studies have been used by many to justify their notions of white supremacy.

Of course there could be a million different reasons why ranging from Murray is a sexy author to Murray is his doppelganger. But in order to find those other possible reasons you have to skip over the most obvious of reasons.

One part of the controversy concerned the parts of the book which dealt with racial group differences on IQ and the consequences of this. The authors were reported throughout the popular press as arguing that these IQ differences are genetic, and they did indeed write in chapter 13: "It seems highly likely to us that both genes and the environment have something to do with racial differences." The introduction to the chapter more cautiously states, "The debate about whether and how much genes and environment have to do with ethnic differences remains unresolved."

Once again you cherry pick information to make your standard outrage porn based point.

You missed the part where you say what I posted was a lie.

Since its not a lie, you move to the cherry pick excuse. Yes, I did not post the entire book from Charles Murray. You figured it out all by yourself.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Paul Ryan insists his ‘inarticulate’ comments about ‘inner city’ men were not about race

Paul Ryan insists his ?inarticulate? comments about ?inner city? men were not about race | The Raw Story

Paul Ryan attempted to walk back Wednesday’s comment in which described a “culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working, and just generations of men not even thinking about working and learning the value and culture of work.”

In a statement issued to ThinkProgress, Ryan insisted that his comment wasn’t “a thinly veiled racial attack,” as Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, characterized it.

“It is clear that I was inarticulate about the point I was trying to make,” Ryan said in the statement. “I was not implicating the culture of one community—but of society as a whole. We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work.”


Ryan told a blogger from Crew of 42 that his initial comments had “nothing to do whatsoever with race.”

See?

When Paul talks about the "culture" of the citizens in the "inner city" he didnt mean "culture" or "inner city". What he really meant was everyone everywhere and just failed to "articulate" it correctly.

Good job GOP...Maybe you can win an election without blacks. Just stop defending shit like this and asking why you arent an attractive option for blacks.

Typically when you talk down to people....studies have shown they dont really appreciate it

Because when you say inner city people not working for generations, you're talking about Koreans, right?

You are an ignorant shitbag retailing crap you pick up elsewhere about people whose toenails contain more knowledge than you ever will.

Did you just have a stroke on your keyboard?

 

[Nutz]

He meant everyone, huh.

When did they move the white trash trailer parks to the middle of the inner cities? I must have missed when they did that.

To read here, one would think there were no white trash men bumming beer and cig money and not working every day all day.

White trash is invisible trash.

Regards from Rosie

No one here realizes this, but blacks on welfare receive housing in the inner city...whites on welfare get section 8 housing in apartment complexes in the suburbs.

Blacks get section 8 housing too. And who's fault is it that inner city black communities are unpleasant places to live?

Sometimes, blacks get section 8 housing...usually black section 8 is in what you refer to as the 'Inner City.' As for whose fault some of these places are unpleasant to live, its the criminals fault. I have seen 'white' projects that are just as unpleasant to live in as 'black' projects.

What do you really know about the inner city...is it just what you consider to be 'downtown' or where the blacks live? Are you grouping all black communities and calloing them the inner city because they are downtown and filled with blacks, somewhere someone like you probably wouldn't dare to venture because you think every black neighborhood is the ghetto.

 

[The Rabbi]

Paul Ryan insists his ‘inarticulate’ comments about ‘inner city’ men were not about race

Paul Ryan insists his ?inarticulate? comments about ?inner city? men were not about race | The Raw Story



See?

When Paul talks about the "culture" of the citizens in the "inner city" he didnt mean "culture" or "inner city". What he really meant was everyone everywhere and just failed to "articulate" it correctly.

Good job GOP...Maybe you can win an election without blacks. Just stop defending shit like this and asking why you arent an attractive option for blacks.

Typically when you talk down to people....studies have shown they dont really appreciate it

Because when you say inner city people not working for generations, you're talking about Koreans, right?

You are an ignorant shitbag retailing crap you pick up elsewhere about people whose toenails contain more knowledge than you ever will.

Did you just have a stroke on your keyboard?

OK, now that was funny. I don't care who you are.

 

[Rocko]

Why did he backpedal on his comment?

Because it not PC to tell the truth.

Next question

But it is Politically Convienent to pander to the lowest common denominator of your base - blaming blacks for all of the problems in the world while ignoring all other issues because of the (very obvious) inner city problem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think his comments were racist at all...and I'm black. I just think comments like this are ill advised. Unless the GOP is willing to have a sincere and honest discussion about race, racism, and prejudice...they need to just stick with the basis of conservative ideals...because no matter what they say, the left will always point to racism.

Just look at this forum, there is never a civil discussion if race is the issue.

How's he pandering? He simply made a cultural observation. I believe there's truth to what he said. I agree with you that the left is always going to hurl accusations of racism no matter what is being said, and that's part of the problem of not being able to have productive dialog about the issue.

 

[Nutz]

Paul Ryan insists his ‘inarticulate’ comments about ‘inner city’ men were not about race

Paul Ryan insists his ?inarticulate? comments about ?inner city? men were not about race | The Raw Story



See?

When Paul talks about the "culture" of the citizens in the "inner city" he didnt mean "culture" or "inner city". What he really meant was everyone everywhere and just failed to "articulate" it correctly.

Good job GOP...Maybe you can win an election without blacks. Just stop defending shit like this and asking why you arent an attractive option for blacks.

Typically when you talk down to people....studies have shown they dont really appreciate it

Because when you say inner city people not working for generations, you're talking about Koreans, right?

You are an ignorant shitbag retailing crap you pick up elsewhere about people whose toenails contain more knowledge than you ever will.

Did you just have a stroke on your keyboard?

lol

 

[driveby]

ClosedCraption: The inept race baiter..........

 

[Nutz]

Because it not PC to tell the truth.

Next question

But it is Politically Convienent to pander to the lowest common denominator of your base - blaming blacks for all of the problems in the world while ignoring all other issues because of the (very obvious) inner city problem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think his comments were racist at all...and I'm black. I just think comments like this are ill advised. Unless the GOP is willing to have a sincere and honest discussion about race, racism, and prejudice...they need to just stick with the basis of conservative ideals...because no matter what they say, the left will always point to racism.

Just look at this forum, there is never a civil discussion if race is the issue.

How's he pandering? He simply made a cultural observation. I believe there's truth to what he said. I agree with you that the left is always going to hurl accusations of racism no matter what is being said, and that's part of the problem of not being able to have productive dialog about the issue.

How is he pandering...he caused a fury, no. He has solidified a base and polarized the left from the right with his comments, no. Did he think that he was going to win the hearts and minds of blacks and liberals by commenting on a culture and community that he probably doesn't understand? Or did he think he was going to get a cheer from the haters in the GOP who want to blame all social issues on blacks? There is truth to what he said, yes...but if the GOP has ignored minorities and if they are considered to be racists by the left...why make those comments? Why ignore issues in other communities?

Paul Ryan is not a racist, neither is most of the GOP...they are politicians. Every word they say, every suit they adorn, down to the socks are carefully crafted, especially at Ryan's level. If getting elected means pissing off a minority that isn't going to vote for you while making your base cheer...then that is what these men will do. I find it hard to believe that the GOP and Ryan, with their wealth of intelligence, can't find a more diplomatic way to express conservative ideals (which aren't racist).

That's the problem with the GOP, instead of reiterating the idea that policy is colorblind, they allow the left to define their policy as color motivated.

 

[kaz]

Paul Ryan insists his ‘inarticulate’ comments about ‘inner city’ men were not about race

You're not a clever race baiter, just an obvious one.