Zone1 Pastor: They’re Not Deceived – Trump Evangelicals Are CHOOSING the Lies

[Mac1958]

One of the most disturbing and difficult-to-understand things about this whole period -- perhaps THE most disturbing and difficult-to-understand thing -- for many of us across the political spectrum, Left to Right, is the way evangelicals have supported this vulgar, dishonest, divisive, cruel, awful man. How can they do this, how can they justify this? The Christians in my family who are horrified by what they're seeing are still wrestling with this question.

This is a retired pastor who, in his characteristically calm and civil way, tries to help us understand what is happening here. He doesn't think these people are "stupid". He has a very interesting take, and for those who are interested in this important question, you might find it to be an interesting use of 20 minutes.

 

[Harry Dresden]

geezus.....lol...

 

[Mac-7]

A retired pastor?

This nameless person appears to be pretty young to be a retired preacher

Did he belong to a real church?

If so what church was it?

 

[Anathema]

One of my biggest concerns for this country at this point is people who prefer to ally themselves with a religion rather than with their culture, nation and the traditional morality/values which supersede religion.

 

[Harry Dresden]

One of my biggest concerns for this country at this point is people who prefer to ally themselves with a religion rather than with their culture, nation and the traditional morality/values which supersede religion.

which traditional morality values supersede religion?...

 

[August West]

The retired Bishop of the Pittsburgh diocese was asked why the church wasn`t supporting the fake anti-abortion candidate, the convicted felon, Donald Trump. Reverend David Zubik said the Catholic church wasn`t a single issue religion and Catholics should look at whole candidate.

 

[SweetSue92]

One of the most disturbing and difficult-to-understand things about this whole period -- perhaps THE most disturbing and difficult-to-understand thing -- for many of us across the political spectrum, Left to Right, is the way evangelicals have supported this vulgar, dishonest, divisive, cruel, awful man. How can they do this, how can they justify this? The Christians in my family who are horrified by what they're seeing are still wrestling with this question.

This is a retired pastor who, in his characteristically calm and civil way, tries to help us understand what is happening here. He doesn't think these people are "stupid". He has a very interesting take, and for those who are interested in this important question, you might find it to be an interesting use of 20 minutes.

Imagine being so infected by TDS that you give up preaching about Jesus Christ and can only rail on a man you have never met, will never meet, and would laugh at your railing.

OH, do we have one of these here? Or many? Yes, yes we do.

 

[citygator]

One of the most disturbing and difficult-to-understand things about this whole period -- perhaps THE most disturbing and difficult-to-understand thing -- for many of us across the political spectrum, Left to Right, is the way evangelicals have supported this vulgar, dishonest, divisive, cruel, awful man. How can they do this, how can they justify this? The Christians in my family who are horrified by what they're seeing are still wrestling with this question.

This is a retired pastor who, in his characteristically calm and civil way, tries to help us understand what is happening here. He doesn't think these people are "stupid". He has a very interesting take, and for those who are interested in this important question, you might find it to be an interesting use of 20 minutes.

A summary of the video.

The retired pastor introduces his message by acknowledging that some of his comments may sound harsh, but he insists he is speaking as someone who struggles with the same moral flaws he critiques. He focuses on why many American evangelicals support Donald Trump despite actions he believes contradict Christian teachings.

Drawing on Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s writings from prison (a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, and anti-Nazi dissident)—especially the idea that “stupidity” (or willful ignorance) is a moral, not intellectual, defect—he argues that the problem isn’t that Trump supporters are unintelligent. Rather, he believes many are choosing to ignore evidence because it conflicts with their desires. He says corrupt leaders succeed because they tell people what they want to hear, appealing to motives like tribalism, cultural dominance, or resentment.

He compares this dynamic to German Christians who supported Hitler, suggesting a similar moral failure may be happening today. However, he emphasizes that persuasion rarely comes through argument. Instead, people change through loving relationships and humility. He concludes that while he is angry about current events, the deeper issue is moral struggle within all of us, and real change requires humility, self-examination, and redemption—not just debate.

 

[citygator]

Imagine being so infected by TDS that you give up preaching about Jesus Christ and can only rail on a man you have never met, will never meet, and would laugh at your railing.

OH, do we have one of these here? Or many? Yes, yes we do.

Trump vomits his hate and ignorance daily on twitter and in the media. You'd have to be willfully ignorant as the pastor points out to conclude he is anything but evil.

 

[SweetSue92]

Trump vomits his hate and ignorance daily on twitter and in the media. You'd have to be willfully ignorant as the pastor points out to conclude he is anything but evil.

I know his words really, really, really, REALLY hurt your feelings.

 

[JoeB131]

Imagine being so infected by TDS that you give up preaching about Jesus Christ and can only rail on a man you have never met, will never meet, and would laugh at your railing.

OH, do we have one of these here? Or many? Yes, yes we do.

Just remember, Jesus hates Gays and Mexicans, just like Sue does.

 

[SweetSue92]

A summary of the video.

The retired pastor introduces his message by acknowledging that some of his comments may sound harsh, but he insists he is speaking as someone who struggles with the same moral flaws he critiques. He focuses on why many American evangelicals support Donald Trump despite actions he believes contradict Christian teachings.

Drawing on Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s writings from prison (a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, and anti-Nazi dissident)—especially the idea that “stupidity” (or willful ignorance) is a moral, not intellectual, defect—he argues that the problem isn’t that Trump supporters are unintelligent. Rather, he believes many are choosing to ignore evidence because it conflicts with their desires. He says corrupt leaders succeed because they tell people what they want to hear, appealing to motives like tribalism, cultural dominance, or resentment.

He compares this dynamic to German Christians who supported Hitler, suggesting a similar moral failure may be happening today. However, he emphasizes that persuasion rarely comes through argument. Instead, people change through loving relationships and humility. He concludes that while he is angry about current events, the deeper issue is moral struggle within all of us, and real change requires humility, self-examination, and redemption—not just debate.

Yes, we know. Trump says words you don't like.

Hitler drove trucks of children into the fire alive, shot nursing mothers and babies at the side of trenches to be buried in a mass grave, and did horrid and unimaginable experiments on Jewish twins for "research".

I mean, the parallels are obvious, and WE have the problem, not you.

 

[citygator]

I know his words really, really, really, REALLY hurt your feelings.

Willful ignorance turns to insults when you guys are cornered.

 

[SweetSue92]

A summary of the video.

The retired pastor introduces his message by acknowledging that some of his comments may sound harsh, but he insists he is speaking as someone who struggles with the same moral flaws he critiques. He focuses on why many American evangelicals support Donald Trump despite actions he believes contradict Christian teachings.

Drawing on Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s writings from prison (a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, and anti-Nazi dissident)—especially the idea that “stupidity” (or willful ignorance) is a moral, not intellectual, defect—he argues that the problem isn’t that Trump supporters are unintelligent. Rather, he believes many are choosing to ignore evidence because it conflicts with their desires. He says corrupt leaders succeed because they tell people what they want to hear, appealing to motives like tribalism, cultural dominance, or resentment.

He compares this dynamic to German Christians who supported Hitler, suggesting a similar moral failure may be happening today. However, he emphasizes that persuasion rarely comes through argument. Instead, people change through loving relationships and humility. He concludes that while he is angry about current events, the deeper issue is moral struggle within all of us, and real change requires humility, self-examination, and redemption—not just debate.

If you think this:

Is the same as this:

You are laughably pathetic and deserve to have your mancard permanently revoked

 

[citygator]

Just remember, Jesus hates Gays and Mexicans, just like Sue does.

Jesus was big on hate and treating people like garbage. One of my favorite parables of his was the one about cutting taxes for the rich and telling freeloading poor people they were lazy.

 

[citygator]

If you think this:

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Is the same as this:

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You are laughably pathetic and deserve to have your mancard permanently revoked

 

[SweetSue92]

Jesus was big on hate and treating people like garbage. One of my favorite parables of his was the one about cutting taxes for the rich and telling freeloading poor people they were lazy.

Yes indeed, the namby-pamby Jesus of your denominations sounds just like the um, man in this video. His "Jesus" said All the Nice Words but none of the ones about Hell, or the Lake of Fire, or the leaders of the day, or the woman at the well, or the woman He called a dog.

Just quietly walking around lisping about other people's "hate" in the most self-satisfied manner imaginable.

I give you the men of mainline Christianity these days, which is why all those denominations are dying.....

 

[SweetSue92]

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Hey everyone: Citygator is on record saying this one shooting, of one man interfering in police action WHILE ARMED, is just like driving babies into the fire, alive.

Hey, gator: can I cry forever about these words and how much they hurt my feelings like you men do?

Or am I too much a woman for all that sniveling?

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes indeed, the namby-pamby Jesus of your denominations sounds just like the um, man in this video. His "Jesus" said All the Nice Words but none of the ones about Hell, or the Lake of Fire, or the leaders of the day, or the woman at the well, or the woman He called a dog.

Just quietly walking around lisping about other people's "hate" in the most self-satisfied manner imaginable.

I give you the men of mainline Christianity these days, which is why all those denominations are dying.....

I'm going to make a video of myself being soft-spoken and sniffle about how comparing the Holocaust to this one shooting is Very Unchristian of You and how much better I am, morally, intellectually, in every way.

THEN you might listen to me. right?

 

[SweetSue92]

Willful ignorance turns to insults when you guys are cornered.

Imagine these men melting down at the Second Coming, when Jesus appears on a white horse with swords and an eye for vengeance.

There aren't enough pearls in all the universe to suffice.