Palestinians signed to join Rome Statute.

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, actually NOT.

(COMMENT)

There is no reason to assume this.

(COMMENT)

Not bogus information (planted, fabricated or fraudulent). It was open source information outside the normal "concretely examined and confirmed in decisions of national competent authorities." This type of information they are describing is used everyday in this very discussion group.

What the court wanted to see was police reports, security services assessments, and intelligence analysis of the events used to substantiate the determinations made.

For instance, your conjecture that the material used was "bogus" (meaning: not genuine or true) is not substantiated or collaborated by multiple independent sources. The court wanted to see evidentiary material by "national competent authorities" (not wikipedia).

Most Respectfully,
R

According to the “technical issue” argument, Hamas was removed from the list because the evidence used to place the organization on the list did not meet European standards.

EU Decision on removal of Hamas from terror list is legal not political - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post​

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

From what I can tell, the designation was based on news reports out of Israel.

Did the EU designate Hamas as terrorists out of the blue or was Israel there lobbying for that designation without Hamas there to defend its position?

The same could be said of the US's designation.

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Do you ad have the numbers of children massacred in the name of Palestine between 1948 and 1999. Or will that show how much you twist the facts by using 2000 as a cut of point . DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE and see the FACTS posted starting with the blame placed by international law on hamas for the vast majority of those deaths

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

According to the “technical issue” argument, Hamas was removed from the list because the evidence used to place the organization on the list did not meet European standards.

EU Decision on removal of Hamas from terror list is legal not political - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post​

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

From what I can tell, the designation was based on news reports out of Israel.

Did the EU designate Hamas as terrorists out of the blue or was Israel there lobbying for that designation without Hamas there to defend its position?

The same could be said of the US's designation.

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"​

Strictly political name calling shit.

Sure Hamas has done things that may be considered terrorism. Name a war any time any place where this has not happened.

Israel calling Hamas terrorists is like the coal mine calling the kettle black.

So hat war were the palestinians engaged in that made them murder 3,000 innocent Americans or 50 Innocent Brits ?

Good question.

What war was that?

That is what I am asking you as one of the reasons given for both attacks was the ongoing blockade and occupation of Palestine.

Palestine was not involved in those attacks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

According to the “technical issue” argument, Hamas was removed from the list because the evidence used to place the organization on the list did not meet European standards.

EU Decision on removal of Hamas from terror list is legal not political - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post​

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

From what I can tell, the designation was based on news reports out of Israel.

Did the EU designate Hamas as terrorists out of the blue or was Israel there lobbying for that designation without Hamas there to defend its position?

The same could be said of the US's designation.

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Do you ad have the numbers of children massacred in the name of Palestine between 1948 and 1999. Or will that show how much you twist the facts by using 2000 as a cut of point . DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE and see the FACTS posted starting with the blame placed by international law on hamas for the vast majority of those deaths

September 2000 was the start of the second intifada. They start there.

The first suicide bombing was about 1995 in response to 29 (?) Palestinians being murdered in a Mosque. Suicide bombings ended in 2006. The first rocket was not until 2001.

If you have stats since 1947, I would like to see them.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"​

Strictly political name calling shit.

Sure Hamas has done things that may be considered terrorism. Name a war any time any place where this has not happened.

Israel calling Hamas terrorists is like the coal mine calling the kettle black.

So hat war were the palestinians engaged in that made them murder 3,000 innocent Americans or 50 Innocent Brits ?

Good question.

What war was that?

That is what I am asking you as one of the reasons given for both attacks was the ongoing blockade and occupation of Palestine.

Palestine was not involved in those attacks.

They were implicated by the attackers using them as an excuse, I did not see the arab muslim world denying the attacks did not take place because of Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Do you ad have the numbers of children massacred in the name of Palestine between 1948 and 1999. Or will that show how much you twist the facts by using 2000 as a cut of point . DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE and see the FACTS posted starting with the blame placed by international law on hamas for the vast majority of those deaths

September 2000 was the start of the second intifada. They start there.

The first suicide bombing was about 1995 in response to 29 (?) Palestinians being murdered in a Mosque. Suicide bombings ended in 2006. The first rocket was not until 2001.

If you have stats since 1947, I would like to see them.

Look on google were they are posted. See how many Israeli children have been killed since the end of the 1948 war and then compare it to those of the Palestinians murdered in the same way. You cant use the children forced to act as human shields in your list as they go down as Palestinian murders as per the Geneva conventions. Not one Jewish child murdered can be blamed on anyone else but the arab muslim terrorist scum.

 

[theliq]

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Do you ad have the numbers of children massacred in the name of Palestine between 1948 and 1999. Or will that show how much you twist the facts by using 2000 as a cut of point . DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE and see the FACTS posted starting with the blame placed by international law on hamas for the vast majority of those deaths

September 2000 was the start of the second intifada. They start there.

The first suicide bombing was about 1995 in response to 29 (?) Palestinians being murdered in a Mosque. Suicide bombings ended in 2006. The first rocket was not until 2001.

If you have stats since 1947, I would like to see them.

Look on google were they are posted. See how many Israeli children have been killed since the end of the 1948 war and then compare it to those of the Palestinians murdered in the same way. You cant use the children forced to act as human shields in your list as they go down as Palestinian murders as per the Geneva conventions. Not one Jewish child murdered can be blamed on anyone else but the arab muslim terrorist scum.

You are totally NUTS....and a compulsive LIAR

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, actually NOT.

(COMMENT)

There is no reason to assume this.

(COMMENT)

Not bogus information (planted, fabricated or fraudulent). It was open source information outside the normal "concretely examined and confirmed in decisions of national competent authorities." This type of information they are describing is used everyday in this very discussion group.

What the court wanted to see was police reports, security services assessments, and intelligence analysis of the events used to substantiate the determinations made.

For instance, your conjecture that the material used was "bogus" (meaning: not genuine or true) is not substantiated or collaborated by multiple independent sources. The court wanted to see evidentiary material by "national competent authorities" (not wikipedia).

Most Respectfully,
R

According to the “technical issue” argument, Hamas was removed from the list because the evidence used to place the organization on the list did not meet European standards.

EU Decision on removal of Hamas from terror list is legal not political - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post​

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

From what I can tell, the designation was based on news reports out of Israel.

Did the EU designate Hamas as terrorists out of the blue or was Israel there lobbying for that designation without Hamas there to defend its position?

The same could be said of the US's designation.

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Hey Tinmore, i have a question. How many of those dead Palestinian kids would still be alive today if Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad didn't wage a second intifada on Israel ?

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

According to the “technical issue” argument, Hamas was removed from the list because the evidence used to place the organization on the list did not meet European standards.

EU Decision on removal of Hamas from terror list is legal not political - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post​

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

From what I can tell, the designation was based on news reports out of Israel.

Did the EU designate Hamas as terrorists out of the blue or was Israel there lobbying for that designation without Hamas there to defend its position?

The same could be said of the US's designation.

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Hey Tinmore, i have a question. How many of those dead Palestinian kids would still be alive today if Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad didn't wage a second intifada on Israel ?

Hi time for episode 1 of Crimes of ZionCrimes of Zion Frank Lowy Zionism and 9 11

Just a little light reading folks......Zionism Hey........

 

[theliq]

The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"​

Strictly political name calling shit.

Sure Hamas has done things that may be considered terrorism. Name a war any time any place where this has not happened.

Israel calling Hamas terrorists is like the coal mine calling the kettle black.

So hat war were the palestinians engaged in that made them murder 3,000 innocent Americans or 50 Innocent Brits ?

Good question.

What war was that?

That is what I am asking you as one of the reasons given for both attacks was the ongoing blockade and occupation of Palestine.

Palestine was not involved in those attacks.

They were implicated by the attackers using them as an excuse, I did not see the arab muslim world denying the attacks did not take place because of Palestine.

ZIONIST TERRORISTS INVENTED MODERN DAY TERRORISM.............FACT

 

[Jroc]

Israel mulls war crimes lawsuits against top Palestinians - Israel News Ynetnews
That'd be the next battle Palestinians called against Israel, hmm.. end of the road.

Israel is not a member and should ignore the ICC all together

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

According to the “technical issue” argument, Hamas was removed from the list because the evidence used to place the organization on the list did not meet European standards.

EU Decision on removal of Hamas from terror list is legal not political - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post​

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

From what I can tell, the designation was based on news reports out of Israel.

Did the EU designate Hamas as terrorists out of the blue or was Israel there lobbying for that designation without Hamas there to defend its position?

The same could be said of the US's designation.

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Hey Tinmore, i have a question. How many of those dead Palestinian kids would still be alive today if Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad didn't wage a second intifada on Israel ?

It is a tragedy but you keep dancing around the root of the problem.

 

[theliq]

Israel mulls war crimes lawsuits against top Palestinians - Israel News Ynetnews
That'd be the next battle Palestinians called against Israel, hmm.. end of the road.

Israel is not a member and should ignore the ICC all together

Israel was born of Terrorism..........................

 

[Phoenall]

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Do you ad have the numbers of children massacred in the name of Palestine between 1948 and 1999. Or will that show how much you twist the facts by using 2000 as a cut of point . DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE and see the FACTS posted starting with the blame placed by international law on hamas for the vast majority of those deaths

September 2000 was the start of the second intifada. They start there.

The first suicide bombing was about 1995 in response to 29 (?) Palestinians being murdered in a Mosque. Suicide bombings ended in 2006. The first rocket was not until 2001.

If you have stats since 1947, I would like to see them.

Look on google were they are posted. See how many Israeli children have been killed since the end of the 1948 war and then compare it to those of the Palestinians murdered in the same way. You cant use the children forced to act as human shields in your list as they go down as Palestinian murders as per the Geneva conventions. Not one Jewish child murdered can be blamed on anyone else but the arab muslim terrorist scum.

You are totally NUTS....and a compulsive LIAR

The ISLAMONAZI ANSWER to everything that shows islam in a true light, get over it. There are moves to have the Koran placed on the banned book list as a terrorist manual, lets see how the muslims react to that.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

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Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Hey Tinmore, i have a question. How many of those dead Palestinian kids would still be alive today if Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad didn't wage a second intifada on Israel ?

Hi time for episode 1 of Crimes of ZionCrimes of Zion Frank Lowy Zionism and 9 11

Just a little light reading folks......Zionism Hey........

Lets hear it for the stooges of ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA and TERRORISM. No proof of any wrong doing or conspiracies so they make some up and hope the intelligent people of the world don't see through their plans.
Not light reading but it is comical how so called intelligent muslims believe such crap

 

[Phoenall]

So hat war were the palestinians engaged in that made them murder 3,000 innocent Americans or 50 Innocent Brits ?

Good question.

What war was that?

That is what I am asking you as one of the reasons given for both attacks was the ongoing blockade and occupation of Palestine.

Palestine was not involved in those attacks.

They were implicated by the attackers using them as an excuse, I did not see the arab muslim world denying the attacks did not take place because of Palestine.

ZIONIST TERRORISTS INVENTED MODERN DAY TERRORISM.............FACT

LINK ? ? ? ? ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are using media interpretation.

​

(COMMENT)

​

Yes, but there is a misunderstanding as to the difference between the "legal position" (for a general court determination // judicial branch stuff) and the "political determination" (made by lawful authorities and leadership // executive branch stuff). The question is, was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "legal decision;" or was placing HAMAS on the Terrorist List a "political decision?"

(COMMENT)

The EU is a political animal; a coalition of many states. The framework for decision is complicated. The US process is much different.

Unless you are inside the systems (you're talking about three different complex systems --- Israel, US and EU) it is not possible for you to know what happened between the various entities, if anything, relative to the decision. That is pure supposition on your part.

By document lodged at the Court Registry on 12 September 2010, the applicant, Hamas, has brought this action. In that 15 days prior (as an example) --- HAMAS was reportedly involved:

• September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
• August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

In the one case, HAMAS claimed responsibility (the August 31st Event). For each event, there are official "reports" that point out HAMAS as the perpetrator. There is no question that the "national authorities" can achieve the standard. In some cases, as in the senior HAMAS official, Saleh Al-Arouri, admitted his group had carried out the “heroic” act of kidnapping and murdering Naftali Fraenkel, Eyal Yifrach and Gil-Ad Shear. There are any number of "national authorities" collected this information.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah big deal.....and 3 Jewish thugs burnt alive a Palestinian boy.....in a horrific manner.....respectfully I think you forgot to mention.......but then again probably not...............maybe you enjoyed this heroic Jewish kidnapping and murder of an innocent.......Sometimes Rocco,you really are a Creep.Now let me think..did these Murdering Jews get punished......of course they Fukcing did not.
With Respect R Your whole summation is basically a Crock of Shit.steve

Not that long ago a group of Palestinians burnt an Israeli child to death, did you enjoy reading about that episode. How many Christians have been barricaded in to their churches and burnt to death in the name of islam.
They are still awaiting trial and will be punished in due course

Children killed since 2000

Israeli - 131
Palestinian - 1656

Remember These Children

Do you really want to go there?

Hey Tinmore, i have a question. How many of those dead Palestinian kids would still be alive today if Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad didn't wage a second intifada on Israel ?

It is a tragedy but you keep dancing around the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is the ramblings of a proven mental retard who offered the warlords of Arabia a means of justifying their murder, rape and theft. He turned it into the religion of islam

 

[Phoenall]

Israel mulls war crimes lawsuits against top Palestinians - Israel News Ynetnews
That'd be the next battle Palestinians called against Israel, hmm.. end of the road.

Israel is not a member and should ignore the ICC all together

Israel was born of Terrorism..........................

Yes arab muslim terrorism, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Goodbye islam

 

[RoccoR]

Jroc, et al,

Well, this is --- of course --- one option. But it is probably not the best strategy to take given the potential for adverse consequences.

(Reuters) - The International Criminal Court opened an inquiry into possible war crimes in the Palestinian territories, thrusting it into one of the world's most chronic, heated conflicts and opening a path to possible charges against Israelis or Palestinians.

In a statement on Friday, prosecutors said they would examine "in full independence and impartiality" crimes that may have occurred since June 13 last year. This allows the court to delve into the war between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza in July-August 2014 during which more than 2,100 Palestinians and 73 Israelis were killed.
SOURCE: News Article BY THOMAS ESCRITT AND ANTHONY DEUTSCH, AMSTERDAM Fri Jan 16, 2015

The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Fatou Bensouda, opens a preliminary examination of the situation in Palestine
Today, Friday, 16 January 2015, the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Mrs. Fatou Bensouda, opened a preliminary examination into the situation in Palestine.

The Prosecutor's decision follows the Government of Palestine's accession to the Rome Statute on 2 January 2015 and its declaration of 1 January 2015, lodged under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute – the Court's founding treaty – accepting the jurisdiction of the ICC over alleged crimes committed "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, since June 13, 2014."

SOURCE: ICC-OTP-20150116-PR1083
SOURCE: Declaration of Accepting the Jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court 31 December 2014
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Israel is not a member and should ignore the ICC all together

(OBSERVATION)

To ignore the processes of an Article 53 international preliminary investigation (something similar to a Grand Jury Investigation) is never a wise strategy.

The Palestinian joined the ICC with a Jurisdictional acceptance date of 13 June, 2014. That is not a random date. There is a reason for that specific date; something that the Palestinians are concerned about. (Inquiring minds might ask, what the significance is behind that date?)

(COMMENT)

The Israelis need (just in the opinion of this layman) to setup several different legal teams:

• One Team to prepare to predict and prepare to defend against against specific war crime charges.
• One Team to collect and collate defense evidence and documentation for open presentation, to include the a writ ordering a UNRWA and Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) to depositions and attendance before the court. This would also include the material evidence of provocation for the events, the material collected relevant to conflict, and open source material of Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) admissions of guilt, collaboration and classified material substantiating the Unity Government strategy and policies pertaining to jihad and armed aggression.
• One Team to investigate and prepare charges (where warranted) against UNRWA and Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) personalities.

The Israelis might also consider the assembly of a special investigative team to interview UN Leadership Personalities to determine the preconceived notions on the UN position of Palestinian hostile actions. The Palestinians claim that they have the legal right to engage in hostile activities, outside the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States, and use threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel, which normally constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations --- as a means of settling territorial issues and occupation disputes.

Most Respectfully,
R

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[P F Tinmore]

Jroc, et al,

Well, this is --- of course --- one option. But it is probably not the best strategy to take given the potential for adverse consequences.

(Reuters) - The International Criminal Court opened an inquiry into possible war crimes in the Palestinian territories, thrusting it into one of the world's most chronic, heated conflicts and opening a path to possible charges against Israelis or Palestinians.

In a statement on Friday, prosecutors said they would examine "in full independence and impartiality" crimes that may have occurred since June 13 last year. This allows the court to delve into the war between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza in July-August 2014 during which more than 2,100 Palestinians and 73 Israelis were killed.
SOURCE: News Article BY THOMAS ESCRITT AND ANTHONY DEUTSCH, AMSTERDAM Fri Jan 16, 2015

The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Fatou Bensouda, opens a preliminary examination of the situation in Palestine
Today, Friday, 16 January 2015, the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Mrs. Fatou Bensouda, opened a preliminary examination into the situation in Palestine.

The Prosecutor's decision follows the Government of Palestine's accession to the Rome Statute on 2 January 2015 and its declaration of 1 January 2015, lodged under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute – the Court's founding treaty – accepting the jurisdiction of the ICC over alleged crimes committed "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, since June 13, 2014."

SOURCE: ICC-OTP-20150116-PR1083
SOURCE: Declaration of Accepting the Jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court 31 December 2014
​

Israel is not a member and should ignore the ICC all together

(OBSERVATION)

To ignore the processes of an Article 53 international preliminary investigation (something similar to a Grand Jury Investigation) is never a wise strategy.

The Palestinian joined the ICC with a Jurisdictional acceptance date of 13 June, 2014. That is not a random date. There is a reason for that specific date; something that the Palestinians are concerned about. (Inquiring minds might ask, what the significance is behind that date?)

(COMMENT)

The Israelis need (just in the opinion of this layman) to setup several different legal teams:

• One Team to prepare to predict and prepare to defend against against specific war crime charges.
• One Team to collect and collate defense evidence and documentation for open presentation, to include the a writ ordering a UNRWA and Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) to depositions and attendance before the court. This would also include the material evidence of provocation for the events, the material collected relevant to conflict, and open source material of Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) admissions of guilt, collaboration and classified material substantiating the Unity Government strategy and policies pertaining to jihad and armed aggression.
• One Team to investigate and prepare charges (where warranted) against UNRWA and Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) personalities.

The Israelis might also consider the assembly of a special investigative team to interview UN Leadership Personalities to determine the preconceived notions on the UN position of Palestinian hostile actions.

Do you mean like:

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;
A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

The Palestinians claim that they have the legal right to engage in hostile activities, outside the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States, and use threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel, which normally constitutes a violation of international law and the

Charter of the United Nations --- as a means of settling territorial issues and occupation disputes.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, here is where you get into false premise territory. You assume that Israel has territorial integrity. It is Palestine that has the right to territorial integrity as stated above. There is no right to the territorial integrity of land you occupy.

One of the most important problems which must be cleared up be-
fore a lasting peace can be established in Palestine is the question of
the disposition of the more than 700,000 Arab refugees who during the
Palestine conflict fled from their homes in what is now Israeli occupied
territory and are at present living as refugees in Arab Palestine and
the neighboring Arab states.

FRUS Foreign relations of the United States 1949. The Near East South Asia and Africa Israel​

 

[Jroc]

Jroc, et al,

Well, this is --- of course --- one option. But it is probably not the best strategy to take given the potential for adverse consequences.

(Reuters) - The International Criminal Court opened an inquiry into possible war crimes in the Palestinian territories, thrusting it into one of the world's most chronic, heated conflicts and opening a path to possible charges against Israelis or Palestinians.

In a statement on Friday, prosecutors said they would examine "in full independence and impartiality" crimes that may have occurred since June 13 last year. This allows the court to delve into the war between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza in July-August 2014 during which more than 2,100 Palestinians and 73 Israelis were killed.
SOURCE: News Article BY THOMAS ESCRITT AND ANTHONY DEUTSCH, AMSTERDAM Fri Jan 16, 2015

The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Fatou Bensouda, opens a preliminary examination of the situation in Palestine
Today, Friday, 16 January 2015, the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Mrs. Fatou Bensouda, opened a preliminary examination into the situation in Palestine.

The Prosecutor's decision follows the Government of Palestine's accession to the Rome Statute on 2 January 2015 and its declaration of 1 January 2015, lodged under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute – the Court's founding treaty – accepting the jurisdiction of the ICC over alleged crimes committed "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, since June 13, 2014."

SOURCE: ICC-OTP-20150116-PR1083
SOURCE: Declaration of Accepting the Jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court 31 December 2014
​

Israel is not a member and should ignore the ICC all together

(OBSERVATION)

To ignore the processes of an Article 53 international preliminary investigation (something similar to a Grand Jury Investigation) is never a wise strategy.

The Palestinian joined the ICC with a Jurisdictional acceptance date of 13 June, 2014. That is not a random date. There is a reason for that specific date; something that the Palestinians are concerned about. (Inquiring minds might ask, what the significance is behind that date?)

(COMMENT)

The Israelis need (just in the opinion of this layman) to setup several different legal teams:

• One Team to prepare to predict and prepare to defend against against specific war crime charges.
• One Team to collect and collate defense evidence and documentation for open presentation, to include the a writ ordering a UNRWA and Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) to depositions and attendance before the court. This would also include the material evidence of provocation for the events, the material collected relevant to conflict, and open source material of Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) admissions of guilt, collaboration and classified material substantiating the Unity Government strategy and policies pertaining to jihad and armed aggression.
• One Team to investigate and prepare charges (where warranted) against UNRWA and Unity Government (HAMAS and Fatah) personalities.

The Israelis might also consider the assembly of a special investigative team to interview UN Leadership Personalities to determine the preconceived notions on the UN position of Palestinian hostile actions. The Palestinians claim that they have the legal right to engage in hostile activities, outside the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States, and use threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel, which normally constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations --- as a means of settling territorial issues and occupation disputes.

Most Respectfully,
R

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The U.S is also not member nor should we be. We should defund the U.N. and kick them out of the country