Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel

The Zionists went to Palestine (unprovoked) with the stated goal of taking over the country. With the help of the British, a world superpower at the time, they proceeded to do just that.

Please explain how that is a defensive position.

I await your response.

The " Zionists" went to " Palestine" ( not a country with the STATED goal of taking over " Palestine? " Translation; They have no right to be there even though its their Homeland . For that reason alone there will never be a " Palestinian state " They rejected it in 1917, 1948 , and before 1967 :cuckoo:

What right did the Zionists have to take another country?

Quote the international law.





UN res 181
 
The " Zionists" went to " Palestine" ( not a country with the STATED goal of taking over " Palestine? " Translation; They have no right to be there even though its their Homeland . For that reason alone there will never be a " Palestinian state " They rejected it in 1917, 1948 , and before 1967 :cuckoo:

What right did the Zionists have to take another country?

Quote the international law.

UN res 181

UN resolution 181 was a mere recommendation that flopped.

It didn't happen. It transferred no land, created no borders, and created no states.
 
"...If you consider it a country in the literal sense, then the government of that country was the British "High Commissioner;" and not the Arab Palestinian. That is, until 15 May 1948 when the "Successor Government" was appointed..."
Quite true, and, given that the 'successor government' - the UN Palestine Commission - never sat in session on Palestinian soil, and that the Commission never effectively assumed control of Palestine, and that it adjourned Sina Die on May 17, 1948 - a couple of days after the Israeli Declaration of Independence...

Well... the Brits turned the keys over to a Committee which never actually touched the keys nor turned the locks, and which walked away from the deal...

United Nations Palestine Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That government-on-paper lasted for all of 2-3 days after the expiration of the Mandate, conceding the Realities of the situation, and freeing the parties to carve out their own destinies...

Which the Jews did, while the Arabs were busy with their Big Skeddadle...

Men carve out nations...

Sheep run away in great herds...

Sheep don't last long on the world stage...
 
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There is no such thing as 'Right of Return' at this late stage. It evaporated decades ago.
There's no statute of limitations on the right to return.

You're full of shit!

Granting Right-of-Return = the death of the State of Israel. After waiting for 2000 years to reclaim their ancestral or spiritual homeland... not a chance.
So it's okay for the jews to return after being driven out 2000 years ago, but it's not okay for the Pals to return after being driven out 70 years ago?

Now look who's trying to wipe out who?


There's another solution. How 'bout Israel obeying the law?

At present, there is a nearly-ideal window of opportunity to do just that.
What a drama queen.

If I were a Palestinian, I'd be crapping in my pants right about now, waiting for the other shoe to fall.
You probably are crapping in your pants right now?






So when will you fight for the Jews right of return to their land they were forcibly expelled from. How about a compromise solution and the Jews give up their right of return in exchange for a two to one deal on land in the west bank. This means for every two acres of stolen Jewish land the Palestinians give one acre of land from the west bank and Jerusalem. When all the west bank has been taken over then the Palestinians move to the stolen Jewish land for ever
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You don't understand.

So, when is the UN going to pull its thumb out of it ass?
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It doesn't say "Israel shall pay!" It says "should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible." In 1948, the external aggressor was the Arab League and the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP). They are "the Governments or authorities responsible."

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep saying things that are not true. There were about 300,000 Palestinian refugees before the Arab countries went into Palestine.

Why are you blaming them for what Israel was doing?






Why are you blaming Israel for what the combined arab armies did to the indigenous arab Palestinians. The UN and the arab league know that the arab nations are responsible for any payments due to the expulsions.
 
"...What right did the Zionists have to take another country?..."
What country?

The Jews carved-off a big piece of an Unincorporated/Unchartered/Unorganized region, and Incorporated/Chartered/Organized themselves into a Sovereign Nation called Israel.

Too bad the Arabs didn't have the brains to do the same thing, at the same time.

You snooze, you lose.

Welcome to your consequences.

The Mandate called Palestine a country about ten different times.

That country.





That had no signed treaties with any other nation setting its borders and leadership in stone. In other words it never existed as a country before 1988, just as a place name on the map. At the beginning of the mandate Palestine included what is now Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Israel, parts of Egypt and parts of Saudi. All those treaties you spout include those lands as they were all part of Palestine, and it was never officially a country. During the mandate period the land of Palestine was carved up by the arab princes into new countries with the knowledge that part of the deal was the creation of a new homeland for the Jews on the remaining 10% of Palestine. When it came to the crunch the arab muslims decided they would renege on the treaties they had signed and steal the land from its rightful owners. That when everything went wrong and the arab lost to an inferior force.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The "Zionists have to take another country;" I think NOT. They exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with UN instructions and recommendations.

What right did the Zionists have to take another country?

Quote the international law.
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They did this in accordance with General Assembly Resolution 181(II), just the same as the Arab-Palestinian did in November 1988.



Most Respectfully,
R

The "Zionists have to take another country;" I think NOT. They exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with UN instructions and recommendations.

How much is Israel paying you to peddle this crap?





Don't like the truth then find a new hobby, like plaiting pig shit............
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, and who was the government for that country?

The Mandate called Palestine a country about ten different times.

That country.
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It was not an Arab Country, it was the Mandate of Palestine.

The Palestine Order in Council PART I. - PRELIMINARY said:
Title.1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.​

Definitions.2. In this Order the word:--

"Secretary of State" means one of His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State.

"The High Commissioner" shall include every person for the time being administering the Government of Palestine.​

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

If you consider it a country in the literal sense, then the government of that country was the British "High Commissioner;" and not the Arab Palestinian. That is, until 15 May 1948 when the "Successor Government" was appointed.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain, as the appointed mandate, was to guide the Palestinians to independence. Britain violated its mandate. That does not negate the Palestinian's right to independence.






Actually the arab Palestinians decided they would not be guided by Britain and set up a series of terrorist attacks. Those actions did negate their right to independence, until such time as they brought a halt to the belligerence.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The "Zionists have to take another country;" I think NOT. They exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with UN instructions and recommendations.

What right did the Zionists have to take another country?

Quote the international law.
(COMMENT)

They did this in accordance with General Assembly Resolution 181(II), just the same as the Arab-Palestinian did in November 1988.



Most Respectfully,
R

The "Zionists have to take another country;" I think NOT. They exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with UN instructions and recommendations.

How much is Israel paying you to peddle this crap?


Spoken like a Paranoid Muslim :cuckoo:
 
Actually the arab Palestinians decided they would not be guided by Britain and set up a series of terrorist attacks. Those actions did negate their right to independence, until such time as they brought a halt to the belligerence.

So that means the terrorist attack upon the King David Hotel and Count Folk Bernodette negated the right of the Jews to a state?
 
Indeed, since armistice lines do not replace Palestine's international borders.






But peace treaties and UN resolutions do, which is why Palestine declared in 1988 before it lost everything

The UN has no authority to change or create borders.

The peace treaty has been bouncing along on its face for decades. Nothing is happening there.





The UN can broker peace treaties and border agreements, so they don't change borders but countries do. Palestine lost its borders when it was annexed by Jordan and Egypt, and they subsequently agreed peace and borders with Israel. So you see once that happened Palestine lost its borders till it negotiates new ones.
 
Actually the arab Palestinians decided they would not be guided by Britain and set up a series of terrorist attacks. Those actions did negate their right to independence, until such time as they brought a halt to the belligerence.

So that means the terrorist attack upon the King David Hotel and Count Folk Bernodette negated the right of the Jews to a state?
No, the Jews established a country for themselves, with brains and balls and firepower...

The Arabs lost a country for themselves with stupidity, cowardice and unpreparedness...

You snooze, you lose... no do-overs.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You don't understand.


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It doesn't say "Israel shall pay!" It says "should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible." In 1948, the external aggressor was the Arab League and the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP). They are "the Governments or authorities responsible."

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep saying things that are not true. There were about 300,000 Palestinian refugees before the Arab countries went into Palestine.

Why are you blaming them for what Israel was doing?






Why are you blaming Israel for what the combined arab armies did to the indigenous arab Palestinians. The UN and the arab league know that the arab nations are responsible for any payments due to the expulsions.

The Zionists went to Palestine to take over the country and with the help of the British the commenced to do that.

What did the Arabs have to do with that?
 
Actually the arab Palestinians decided they would not be guided by Britain and set up a series of terrorist attacks. Those actions did negate their right to independence, until such time as they brought a halt to the belligerence.

So that means the terrorist attack upon the King David Hotel and Count Folk Bernodette negated the right of the Jews to a state?
No, the Jews established a country for themselves, with brains and balls and firepower...

The Arabs lost a country for themselves with stupidity, cowardice and unpreparedness...

You snooze, you lose... no do-overs.

And the Palestinians are still trying to rectify that crime.

And the lying propagandists call them terrorists for doing so.
 
The Zionists went to Palestine (unprovoked) with the stated goal of taking over the country. With the help of the British, a world superpower at the time, they proceeded to do just that.

Please explain how that is a defensive position.

I await your response.

The " Zionists" went to " Palestine" ( not a country with the STATED goal of taking over " Palestine? " Translation; They have no right to be there even though its their Homeland . For that reason alone there will never be a " Palestinian state " They rejected it in 1917, 1948 , and before 1967 :cuckoo:

What right did the Zionists have to take another country?

Quote the international law.



Tell us what " palestine's" borders were. What Gov't did they have? Who was President? " palestine" was a territory . Why does it ALL belong to the Arabs/ Muslims? Quote the " International Law"

If the Arabs really believed in " International Law" they wouldn't have initiated the 1948, 1956, or 67 War. BTW, according to " International Law" Jordan was supposed to give Israelis access to their Holy Sites which of course they reneged on. We also know if the Arabs had won any of those Wars Israel would not exist. So much for " International Law" :cool:
 
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But peace treaties and UN resolutions do, which is why Palestine declared in 1988 before it lost everything

The UN has no authority to change or create borders.

The peace treaty has been bouncing along on its face for decades. Nothing is happening there.





The UN can broker peace treaties and border agreements, so they don't change borders but countries do. Palestine lost its borders when it was annexed by Jordan and Egypt, and they subsequently agreed peace and borders with Israel. So you see once that happened Palestine lost its borders till it negotiates new ones.

That is incorrect. Nobody annexed Palestine.
 
I see Tinmore is still peddling the 'the Zionists came to take over the Palestinians country' lol

Even pro Palestinians know there wasnt a Palestinian state until 1988.
 
So that means the terrorist attack upon the King David Hotel and Count Folk Bernodette negated the right of the Jews to a state?
No, the Jews established a country for themselves, with brains and balls and firepower...

The Arabs lost a country for themselves with stupidity, cowardice and unpreparedness...

You snooze, you lose... no do-overs.

And the Palestinians are still trying to rectify that crime.

And the lying propagandists call them terrorists for doing so.

Within five years, there will be no more Jordanian West Bank and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
Is it aggression? Yep!
Will the World of Islam be bitching about it? That depends upon the Arab Spring and prospects of prosperity in the Arab contries.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

No one said anything about denying the Arab-Palestine the Right of Self-Determination.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, and who was the government for that country?

The Mandate called Palestine a country about ten different times.

That country.
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It was not an Arab Country, it was the Mandate of Palestine.

The Palestine Order in Council PART I. - PRELIMINARY said:
Title.1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.​

Definitions.2. In this Order the word:--

"Secretary of State" means one of His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State.

"The High Commissioner" shall include every person for the time being administering the Government of Palestine.​

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

If you consider it a country in the literal sense, then the government of that country was the British "High Commissioner;" and not the Arab Palestinian. That is, until 15 May 1948 when the "Successor Government" was appointed.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain, as the appointed mandate, was to guide the Palestinians to independence. Britain violated its mandate. That does not negate the Palestinian's right to independence.
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As I recall, General Assembly Resolution 181(II) made the offer to both sides, for the establishment of both a Jewish and Arab State.

EXCERPT - UNPC FIRST MONTHLY PROGRESS REPORT TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL said:
The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:
“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”​
No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948

Now --- of course, the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) had every right to decline (a declination is also exercising their right to self determination). But the UN did lead them towards independence, it is just that the HoAP decided it wasn't enough, declared genocide, and went to war. It was two decades later that the HoAP decided that they would exercise their "right to self-determination" and recognize the "international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947 [GA/RES/181(II)].

No one denied the Palestinian's right to independence. The HoAP, rejected independence, threw a temper tantrum, declared genocide, and opted to exercise the use of force to acquire territory by military means to which they were not apportioned, and defy the implementation of the 1947 Resolution. The HoAP lost and are saddened now about the consequence.

But let's be clear. No one denied the Palestinian's right to independence.

Statement of 6 February 1948 Communicated to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh said:
13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

... ... ...

(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

I beg to remain, etc.
/s/ Isa Nakhleh
Representative of the
Arab Higher Committee​
SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

The Jewish People, after having been liberated from Treblinka, Sajmište, Maly Trostenets, Majdanek, Janowska, Chełmno, Bełżec, and Auschwitz-Birkenau, in 1945, were now threatened by a second Holocaust in early 1948; declared by the HoAP. Such a threat probably had a significant impact on the consequences we see today; with "seven million Palestinian refugees; the majority of whom live within 100 kilometers (62 miles) of Israel’s border." (PLO-NAD Figures)

Any culture or people that openly advocates genocide, and attempts to carry the threat out through armed incursion and aggression (demonstrating the intent), can not claim the moral high ground and complain because they lost the conflict. And they are despicable for attempting to hide behind legal trickery to justify their continued stance as the virtual victim that attempted to destroy a sovereign state established under international guidance.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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