Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel

[MHunterB]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

And you claim to know that how? Basically you're asserting in the above that you can prove a negative......

 

[Kondor3]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

That's B.S.

Got any evidence that this is one of their formal and official demands during negotiations?

Of course not.

Don't be childish.

It has been one of the Palestinians key demands since May 15, 1948.

Whether it is on the agenda du jour or not, who knows.

But it's on the menu, and always has been.

 

[Victory67]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

And you claim to know that how? Basically you're asserting in the above that you can prove a negative......

The claim is that the Palestinian negotiators are demanding the Right of Return of millions of Palestinian refugees to Israel, as part of a final peace accord.

This is baseless bullshit. Its a lie. Its untrue. Its impossible to prove as it is pure fiction.

 

[Victory67]

Don't be childish.

It has been one of the Palestinians key demands since May 15, 1948.

Whether it is on the agenda du jour or not, who knows.

But it's on the menu, and always has been.

I'm sorry honey, but there is no evidence whatsoever that this is part if their current demands for a peace treaty.

Its mere fear-mongering fantasy.

 

[RoccoR]

victory67, et al,

Yes.

allowing millions of palestinian refugees flood into the state of israel is not one of the aims or goals of the palestinian negotiators.

that's b.s.

got any evidence that this is one of their formal and official demands during negotiations?

Of course not.

(observation)

4. Our position

our vision requires a just solution to the palestinian refugee issue in accordance with international law, and specifically un general assembly resolution 194. A just solution must be based on the right of return and reparations. Our position on refugees is also included and supported in the arab peace initiative (api), which calls for “a just solution to the palestinian refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with un general assembly resolution 194.” a just solution to the refugee issue must address two aspects: The right of return and reparations.​

right of return

key to the resolution of the refugee issue is israel’s recognition of the applicable principles and rights of the refugees, including our refugees’ right to return to their homes and lands. Israel’s recognition of the right of return will pave the way to negotiating how that right will be implemented. Choice is a critical part of the process. Our refugees must be allowed to choose how to implement their rights and normalize their status. The options for our refugees should be:

• Return to israel,
• return/resettlement to a future palestinian state,
• integration in host states,
• or resettlement in third-party states.

Rehabilitation in the form of professional training, education, medical services, provision of housing, etc will also be a necessary component of each of the options.​

reparations

reparations consist of three elements.

• the first is israel’s recognition of its role in the creation and perpetuation of the palestinian refugee upheaval. While israel may have its own narrative to explain the circumstances surrounding the creation of the palestinian refugees, it is undeniable that when our refugees sought to return to their homes, israel systematically, and adamantly, blocked their efforts. To this day, israel continues to deny their right to return. Israel must acknowledge unequivocally its responsibility for these actions if there is to be a just, peaceful, and sustainable solution to the conflict.

• restitution is the second element of reparations. Under international law, restitution is the primary remedy for property that has been confiscated arbitrarily. If restitution is materially impossible, or where the damage will not be made whole by restitution alone, or if a refugee chooses compensation in lieu of restitution, that compensation must be full and complete. Alternatively, compensation in-kind may be offered in the form of vacant land in israel.

• compensation is the third element of reparations and is comprised of three categories. Compensation must be made for property that cannot be restituted (or if the refugee chooses compensation in lieu of restitution), for material damages (personal items, livelihood, etc.) and for non-material damages (pain and suffering resulting from longstanding displacement).

source: plo-nad refugees

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[Kondor3]

Don't be childish.

It has been one of the Palestinians key demands since May 15, 1948.

Whether it is on the agenda du jour or not, who knows.

But it's on the menu, and always has been.

I'm sorry honey, but there is no evidence whatsoever that this is part if their current demands for a peace treaty.

Its mere fear-mongering fantasy.

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that this is a part of their current demands for a peace treaty.

However, it's not fear mongering.

Right of Return is a cornerstone of the Palestinian Resistance Movement; embedded in their charters, propaganda, previous negotiation-session agendas, and public pronouncements by their leadership, spanning 66 years.

If it's not on the agenda today, it will be tomorrow.

However...

It is important to note that the Palestinian rank-and-file are decrying Abbas' seeming abandonment of the Right of Return, based upon remarks that he made in Israel recently.

It is important to note that the Palestinian rank-and-file will insist upon Right-of-Return in order for peace to have its chance.

They've been doing just that for 66 years and there is no reason to believe that they will abandon that expectation now.

If it's not on the agenda today, it will be tomorrow.

They're not fooling anyone.

Our colleague's "BS" accusation was - no doubt - served up with those very facts in mind.

My agreement with that "BS" accusation was served up in an identical fashion.

If it's not on the agenda today, it will be tomorrow.

In the words of the old (now deceased) Cajun TV chef, Justin Wilson...

"Gaaaarrrrr--rrrrooonnnnnnnn---teeeeeeeddd!!!"

I'm inclined to let the "BS" comment stand... there's more right than wrong about it, in the long run.

 

[Victory67]

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that this is a part of their current demands for a peace treaty.

Thank you for your honesty. I now feel like I'm having a positive influence in this forum.

We should deal in facts and not baseless assertions.

 

[GISMYS]

BOTTOMLINE!=God gave the JEWISH people the holyland for all eternity!!!!! get over it or die!!! your choice!

 

[RoccoR]

Victory67,

Did you read the "NEGOTIATION AFFAIRS DEPARTMENTS" position?

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that this is a part of their current demands for a peace treaty.

Thank you for your honesty. I now feel like I'm having a positive influence in this forum.

We should deal in facts and not baseless assertions.

(COMMENT)

I think you should contact them and let them know they are "baseless."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[proudveteran06]

As usual you are wrong.

You have no evidence, none, zippo, that the Palestinian negotiators are demanding the Right of Return for millions of Palestinian refugees, to the State of Israel.

Sorry, but I have posted many links that prove otherwise. Sorry if you can't comphrehend the English Language

 

[Indeependent]

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that this is a part of their current demands for a peace treaty.

Thank you for your honesty. I now feel like I'm having a positive influence in this forum.

We should deal in facts and not baseless assertions.

You HAVE had a positive influence in this forum...
You have rallied many informed people against you.

 

[Victory67]

I would appreciate someone posting evidence that the current Palestinian negotiators are demanding the Right of Return of millions of Palestinian refugees to the State of Israel.

 

[GISMYS]

I would appreciate someone posting evidence that the current Palestinian negotiators are demanding the Right of Return of millions of Palestinian refugees to the State of Israel.

The Times of Israel revealed Sunday that Palestinian negotiators are demanding the so-called "right of return" for all Palestinian refugees as part of any peace deal. They also want to limit land swaps in the West Bank to just 2 percent of that territory, effectively meaning Israel would have to evacuate thousands of Jews from Judea and Samaria.

The leak comes three months into a peace negotiating process that has a deadline of nine months. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis were pressured into the talks by the United States.

 

[Victory67]

The Times of Israel revealed Sunday that Palestinian negotiators are demanding the so-called "right of return" for all Palestinian refugees as part of any peace deal. They also want to limit land swaps in the West Bank to just 2 percent of that territory, effectively meaning Israel would have to evacuate thousands of Jews from Judea and Samaria.

The leak comes three months into a peace negotiating process that has a deadline of nine months. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis were pressured into the talks by the United States.

Got a link to a news article?

 

[GISMYS]

the times of israel revealed sunday that palestinian negotiators are demanding the so-called "right of return" for all palestinian refugees as part of any peace deal. They also want to limit land swaps in the west bank to just 2 percent of that territory, effectively meaning israel would have to evacuate thousands of jews from judea and samaria.

The leak comes three months into a peace negotiating process that has a deadline of nine months. Both the palestinians and the israelis were pressured into the talks by the united states.

got a link to a news article?

link?????????? I posted the relevant part of the artical just for you!!!

 

[Victory67]

Abbas has abandoned the Right of Return.

Abbas hasn't given up on 'right of return' for Palestinian refugees, but he's being realistic, says aide | The Times of Israel

 

[Victory67]

link?????????? I posted the relevant part of the artical just for you!!!

Yes, I need a link to the article.

I don't trust you to accurately quote a news article.

I don't believe that the Palestinian negotiators are demanding the Right of Return to Israel.

 

[Kondor3]

Abbas has abandoned the Right of Return.

Abbas hasn't given up on 'right of return' for Palestinian refugees, but he's being realistic, says aide | The Times of Israel

And if Abbas negotiates for terms that run contrary to the deepest and utmost wishes of his constituency, then his signature becomes worthless, as a guarantee of peace.

 

[GISMYS]

link?????????? I posted the relevant part of the artical just for you!!!

yes, i need a link to the article.

I don't trust you to accurately quote a news article.

I don't believe that the palestinian negotiators are demanding the right of return to israel.

roflmao!!! Do your own research lazy fat ###!!!

 

[Victory67]

Abbas has abandoned the Right of Return.

Abbas hasn't given up on 'right of return' for Palestinian refugees, but he's being realistic, says aide | The Times of Israel

And if Abbas negotiates for terms that run contrary to the deepest and utmost wishes of his constituency, then his signature becomes worthless, as a guarantee of peace.

Palestine will have a referendum on any peace treaty.

Or at the very least, the Palestine National Council will vote on it.