Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel

[proudveteran06]

Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel


They don't even " pretend" they want the " Two State Solution" anymore. They want Israel to be annexed to the " palestinian state" immediately.


At the end of 2012 the TOTAL Israeli Population which includes Arabs wasn't even quite eight Million

Just one more reason why the " palestinian state" is DOA

 

[jillian]

if they wanted a palestinian state (which has never existed) they'd have agreed to one when arafat was still alive.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel


They don't even " pretend" they want the " Two State Solution" anymore. They want Israel to be annexed to the " palestinian state" immediately.


At the end of 2012 the TOTAL Israeli Population which includes Arabs wasn't even quite eight Million

Just one more reason why the " palestinian state" is DOA

Eight million? It's like a Reverse Genocide.

 

[Kondor3]

There is no such thing as 'Right of Return' at this late stage. It evaporated decades ago.

Granting Right-of-Return = the death of the State of Israel. After waiting for 2000 years to reclaim their ancestral or spiritual homeland... not a chance.

Given that nothing short of the destruction of the State of Israel will satisfy the residents of Rump Palestine... There is nothing left to do but to expel them into Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt.

No other solution can ensure the long-term survival of Israel. It's just a matter of 'when' the expulsions will begin.

At present, there is a nearly-ideal window of opportunity to do just that.

If I were a Palestinian, I'd be crapping in my pants right about now, waiting for the other shoe to fall.

 

[montelatici]

So, only ethnic cleansing can insure Israel's survival. Will the rest of the world be cool with that?

 

[Hossfly]

So, only ethnic cleansing can insure Israel's survival. Will the rest of the world be cool with that?

Kondor didn't say ethnic cleaning, but expel. Big difference.

 

[proudveteran06]

So, only ethnic cleansing can insure Israel's survival. Will the rest of the world be cool with that?

Israel not surrendering to 67 Borders that were NEVER accepted before, not being deprived of their most religious sites , and conceding that the number of Palestinians should OUTNUMBER the Jewish population thereby annexing it to the " Palestinian state" is not ethnic cleansing, you moron . BRW, ethnic cleansing of the Jews were happening way before 1948 !!!

 

[RoccoR]

proudveteran06, et al,

Unfortunately, I don't see the Right-of-Return (RoR) for 7 million, or 5 million, or even 3 million Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as even a table issue. It truly would be DOA.

Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel


They don't even " pretend" they want the " Two State Solution" anymore. They want Israel to be annexed to the " palestinian state" immediately.


At the end of 2012 the TOTAL Israeli Population which includes Arabs wasn't even quite eight Million

Just one more reason why the " palestinian state" is DOA

(COMMENT)

The official Palestinian position specifically stipulates that they want "both" RoR and reparations for the refugees. But more than that, the Palestinians demand three things.

• The Palestinians demand a confession that Israel created the refugee problem.
• Reparations in various forms for lost property over a half century ago.
• They want compensation for the property that cannot be repatriated.

The Palestinian are making the peace price so high - as to make another half-century of the "status quo" (Occupation) more acceptable and fiscally sound.

I cannot speak for the Israelis. But there must be a certain amount of reasonableness involved in the Negotiation. And the RoR and 3-Element Reparation demands are unreasonable. Yes, both sides need to compromise and make sacrifices, but these Palestinian demands are entirely unreasonable.

(ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO - The Epilog to Palestinian Good Faith Negotiations)

Remember, the customary settlements is that the losing side normally pays the reparations.

• Almost immediately after the Partition Plan vote, organized Jewish militias began military campaigns to seize control over even more of historic Palestine’s territory than the UN partition plan had proposed. On May 14, 1948, after months of military expansion, Zionist forces declared the establishment of the State of Israel. The next day, neighboring Arab armies attacked Israel in reaction to the eruption . However, Israeli forces defeated Arab forces and by the end of the war in 1949, Israel controlled 78 percent of historic Palestine.

• During the June 1967 war, Israel militarily occupied the remaining 22 percent of historic Palestine, comprising the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. Only two weeks after the war’s end, Israel unilaterally annexed East Jerusalem, applying Israeli law to the Palestinian half of the city. Within one month, Israel began building illegal settlements in the oPt, in direct violation of international law. The international community immediately rejected Israel’s illegal annexation of the occupied Palestinian territory and continues to do so today.

SOURCE: PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD)

• The Arabs attacked,
• the Arabs lost control of their territory (not just once, but three times),
• and the Arab deserve to pay their portion of the reparations, restitution, and compensation.

OR, they could just sit it out in the Refugee Camps that they have made so popular and fashionable. It is their choice (self-determination).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[proudveteran06]

proudveteran06, et al,

Unfortunately, I don't see the Right-of-Return (RoR) for 7 million, or 5 million, or even 3 million Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as even a table issue. It truly would be DOA.

Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel


They don't even " pretend" they want the " Two State Solution" anymore. They want Israel to be annexed to the " palestinian state" immediately.


At the end of 2012 the TOTAL Israeli Population which includes Arabs wasn't even quite eight Million

Just one more reason why the " palestinian state" is DOA

(COMMENT)

The official Palestinian position specifically stipulates that they want "both" RoR and reparations for the refugees. But more than that, the Palestinians demand three things.

• The Palestinians demand a confession that Israel created the refugee problem.
• Reparations in various forms for lost property over a half century ago.
• They want compensation for the property that cannot be repatriated.

The Palestinian are making the peace price so high - as to make another half-century of the "status quo" (Occupation) more acceptable and fiscally sound.

I cannot speak for the Israelis. But there must be a certain amount of reasonableness involved in the Negotiation. And the RoR and 3-Element Reparation demands are unreasonable. Yes, both sides need to compromise and make sacrifices, but these Palestinian demands are entirely unreasonable.

(ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO - The Epilog to Palestinian Good Faith Negotiations)

Remember, the customary settlements is that the losing side normally pays the reparations.

• Almost immediately after the Partition Plan vote, organized Jewish militias began military campaigns to seize control over even more of historic Palestine’s territory than the UN partition plan had proposed. On May 14, 1948, after months of military expansion, Zionist forces declared the establishment of the State of Israel. The next day, neighboring Arab armies attacked Israel in reaction to the eruption . However, Israeli forces defeated Arab forces and by the end of the war in 1949, Israel controlled 78 percent of historic Palestine.

• During the June 1967 war, Israel militarily occupied the remaining 22 percent of historic Palestine, comprising the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. Only two weeks after the war’s end, Israel unilaterally annexed East Jerusalem, applying Israeli law to the Palestinian half of the city. Within one month, Israel began building illegal settlements in the oPt, in direct violation of international law. The international community immediately rejected Israel’s illegal annexation of the occupied Palestinian territory and continues to do so today.

SOURCE: PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD)

• The Arabs attacked,
• the Arabs lost control of their territory (not just once, but three times),
• and the Arab deserve to pay their portion of the reparations, restitution, and compensation.

OR, they could just sit it out in the Refugee Camps that they have made so popular and fashionable. It is their choice (self-determination).

Most Respectfully,
R

You say that the Israelis should consider " Right of Return" to be " negotiated" however that is not the Palestinian position. Even if Israel were psychotic enough to consider it; How would it be " decided" who? Can't trust the Palestinians. If they can't wage war and destroy Israel from the outside they will try to do it from the inside. Another reason why " Right of Return" will never happen.

 

[Victory67]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

 

[Hossfly]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

That's B.S.

 

[Indeependent]

So, only ethnic cleansing can insure Israel's survival. Will the rest of the world be cool with that?

Why not? They're all done it at one time or another.
But I guess Islamic and Christian ethnic cleansings are GOOOOOOOOOOD!
But those darn Jews cleanse without killing...darn those Jews!

 

[Indeependent]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

And which "negotiators" might these be?

 

[Hossfly]

proudveteran06, et al,

Unfortunately, I don't see the Right-of-Return (RoR) for 7 million, or 5 million, or even 3 million Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as even a table issue. It truly would be DOA.

Palestinians: Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel


They don't even " pretend" they want the " Two State Solution" anymore. They want Israel to be annexed to the " palestinian state" immediately.


At the end of 2012 the TOTAL Israeli Population which includes Arabs wasn't even quite eight Million

Just one more reason why the " palestinian state" is DOA

(COMMENT)

The official Palestinian position specifically stipulates that they want "both" RoR and reparations for the refugees. But more than that, the Palestinians demand three things.

• The Palestinians demand a confession that Israel created the refugee problem.
• Reparations in various forms for lost property over a half century ago.
• They want compensation for the property that cannot be repatriated.

The Palestinian are making the peace price so high - as to make another half-century of the "status quo" (Occupation) more acceptable and fiscally sound.

I cannot speak for the Israelis. But there must be a certain amount of reasonableness involved in the Negotiation. And the RoR and 3-Element Reparation demands are unreasonable. Yes, both sides need to compromise and make sacrifices, but these Palestinian demands are entirely unreasonable.

(ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO - The Epilog to Palestinian Good Faith Negotiations)

Remember, the customary settlements is that the losing side normally pays the reparations.

• Almost immediately after the Partition Plan vote, organized Jewish militias began military campaigns to seize control over even more of historic Palestine’s territory than the UN partition plan had proposed. On May 14, 1948, after months of military expansion, Zionist forces declared the establishment of the State of Israel. The next day, neighboring Arab armies attacked Israel in reaction to the eruption . However, Israeli forces defeated Arab forces and by the end of the war in 1949, Israel controlled 78 percent of historic Palestine.

• During the June 1967 war, Israel militarily occupied the remaining 22 percent of historic Palestine, comprising the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. Only two weeks after the war’s end, Israel unilaterally annexed East Jerusalem, applying Israeli law to the Palestinian half of the city. Within one month, Israel began building illegal settlements in the oPt, in direct violation of international law. The international community immediately rejected Israel’s illegal annexation of the occupied Palestinian territory and continues to do so today.

SOURCE: PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD)

• The Arabs attacked,
• the Arabs lost control of their territory (not just once, but three times),
• and the Arab deserve to pay their portion of the reparations, restitution, and compensation.

OR, they could just sit it out in the Refugee Camps that they have made so popular and fashionable. It is their choice (self-determination).

Most Respectfully,
R

You say that the Israelis should consider " Right of Return" to be " negotiated" however that is not the Palestinian position. Even if Israel were psychotic enough to consider it; How would it be " decided" who? Can't trust the Palestinians. If they can't wage war and destroy Israel from the outside they will try to do it from the inside. Another reason why " Right of Return" will never happen.

The Politics of the Palestinian Right of Return
by Alexander Joffe and Asaf Romirowsky
Forbes
February 24, 2014

The Politics of the Palestinian Right of Return :: Middle East Forum

US-backed negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority are entering a critical period. With reports suggesting Israeli acceptance of the 1967 lines and land swaps, what about Palestinian concessions? Two issues are paramount: the 'right of return' and recognition of Israel as a Jewish state.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas recently stated, "Let me put it simply: the right of return is a personal decision. What does this mean? That neither the PA, nor the state, nor the PLO, nor Abu-Mazen [Abbas], nor any Palestinian or Arab leader has the right to deprive someone from his right to return."


This arch in the Aida Refugee Camp in Bethlehem features a giant key, symbolizing keys kept as mementos by many of the Palestinians who left their homes in 1948. (Image source: Reham Alhelsi/Flickr)



Jamil Mizer, a member of the political bureau of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) underscored the issue saying, "there is talk about the liquidation of the Palestinian refugee cause, the return of hundreds of thousands to the lands occupied in 1948, and the dismantling of the right of return of over six million Palestinian refugees in the camps, in exile and in the diaspora, who are waiting for their moment to return to the homes and lands from which they were expelled".

http://www.meforum.org/3762/palestinian-right-of-return

 

[proudveteran06]

I DON'T believe anything you post.

And your lies do nothing to change the fact Israel is an Apartheid nation.

We hear the word Israel, we know we are speaking Apartheid.

Horseshit

I think by now people reading this forum realize that she is mentally ill. It's a shame that she wouldn't see a mental health provider for some help so that she could be able to lead a normal life. Meanwhile, the readers also must realize that she could care less about the tens of thousands of people her friends have killed and are still killing in the other Middle East countries. In her illness, all she is obsessed with is Israel and those she calls "Zionists" like it was some dirty word and nothing else seems to interest her. This is why she runs around the Internet constantly posting on sifferent sites derogatory stuff about Israel and the Jews. One would think that since she is trying to pass herself off as a good Christian woman, she at least would have something to say about what is happening to the Christians in the Middle East.

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

As usual you are wrong.

 

[Victory67]

As usual you are wrong.

You have no evidence, none, zippo, that the Palestinian negotiators are demanding the Right of Return for millions of Palestinian refugees, to the State of Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

proudveteran06, et al,

I look at the "Right-of-Return" (RoR) as a negotiated item, TRUE! But then I look at every item as a "negotiable" claim. It doesn't always imply that it will be adequately resolved or seriously considered. There are many claims that are made in a negotiated process that are left unresolved.

You say that the Israelis should consider " Right of Return" to be " negotiated" however that is not the Palestinian position. Even if Israel were psychotic enough to consider it; How would it be " decided" who? Can't trust the Palestinians. If they can't wage war and destroy Israel from the outside they will try to do it from the inside. Another reason why " Right of Return" will never happen.

(COMMENT - Further Point)

The RoR is often attributed to General Assembly Resolution 194 (III). But there is a peculiar aspect to that source.

What does it say:

5. Calls upon the Governments and authorities concerned to extend the scope of the negotiations provided for in the Security Council's resolution of 16 November 1948 1/ and to seek agreement by negotiations conducted either with the Conciliation Commission or directly, with a view to the final settlement of all questions outstanding between them;

11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible;

Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

83. This final effort at the Paris conference was no more successful than the prior attempts by the Commission during the past three years. Despite that lack of progress, the Commission recognizes that both sides have expressed their desire to co-operate with the United Nations towards the achievement of stability in Palestine; but the Commission believes that neither side is now ready to seek that aim through full implementation of the General Assembly resolutions under which the Commission is operating.

84. In particular, the Government of Israel is not prepared to implement the part of paragraph 11 of the General Assembly resolution of 11 December 1948 which resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date.

85. The Arab Governments, on the other hand, are not prepared fully to implement paragraph 5 of the said resolution, which calls for the final settlement of all questions outstanding between them and Israel. The Arab Governments in their contacts with the Commission have evinced no readiness to arrive at such a peace settlement with the Government of Israel.

86. The Commission considers that further efforts towards settling the Palestine question could yet be usefully based on the principles underlying the comprehensive pattern of proposals which the Commission submitted to the parties at the Paris Conference. The Commission continues to believe that if and when the parties are ready to accept these principles, general agreement or partial agreement could be sought through direct negotiations with United Nations assistance or mediation.

87. The Commission is of the opinion, however, that the present unwillingness of the parties fully to implement the General Assembly resolutions under which the Commission is operating, as well as the changes which have occurred in Palestine during the past three years, have made it impossible for the Commission to carry out its mandate, and this fact should be taken into consideration in any further approach to the Palestine problem.

SOURCE: A/1985 20 November 1951

SOURCE: A/RES/194 (III) 11 December 1948

It is often conveyed to me by the pro-Palestinian side, that GA/RES/194 (III) was pointing solely at a requirement levied upon the Israelis. But it really doesn't say that at all. It says: "should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."

Who were the government responsible?

It is often assumed that Israel is responsible for the last 65 years of conflict. But is that really the case? And is that really the customary outcome to a conflict? Who invaded who?

Article 1

Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

Explanatory note: In this Definition the term "State":

(a) Is used without prejudice to questions of recognition or to whether a State is a member of the United Nations;

(b) Includes the concept of a "group of States" where appropriate.​

Article 2

The first use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression although the Security Council may, in conformity with the Charter, conclude that a determination that an act of aggression has been committed would not be justified in the light of other relevant circumstances, including the fact that the acts concerned or their consequences are not of sufficient gravity.

SOURCE: A/RES/3314(XXIX) 14 December 1974

If the Arab League attacked into Israel, then they are, by definition, the "aggressor." And if the hostile aggressor losses, then they are the "Governments or authorities responsible."

There is more to the Palestinian Demands, especially the confession part, then meets the eye. There is a causal chain here, as to why settlements and negotiations have not progressed, and why --- after a half century (plus), a settlement has not been reached.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

That's B.S.

Agreed.

It's B.S.

 

[Victory67]

Allowing millions of Palestinian refugees flood into the State of Israel is not one of the aims or goals of the Palestinian negotiators.

That's B.S.

Got any evidence that this is one of their formal and official demands during negotiations?

Of course not.

 

[Ropey]

Eight Million Refugees Must Return to Israel

Here:

This Road is for Jews Only. Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel

I mean it's one way or the other.

Maybe the road to Damascus --> Iran --Turkey--...nah, they'd just get lost... like the Armenians.