And, answer the question what have I written that is not fact. I usually state the fact and then provide the source document.
Sometimes you do. Your claims that I have refuted:
European Jews invaded the land
What do you call going somewhere else, expelling the people living there by force and taking over the rule of the area?
The first aggression was the immigration
Again, what do you call immigration with the intent to expel the locals and take over? You don't call that aggression?
Israel is stolen land
Of course it is, as the land records show. What do you call taking the land of people that once owned it without paying for it.
Jews attacked Arabs first
Of course they did, by going to another continent to expel the people living there is the first attack. What else can you call it?
You refuted nothing.
What you just posted is a perfect example of what I mean when I accuse you of posting propaganda. Saying something like "Jews went to Palestine and took over" is false and extremely misleading; Anyway, lets refute your lies once more.
I
1) I've shown you the definition of invasion 1000 times, and European Jews immigrating to mandatory Palestine was absolutely not an invasion. That's not up for debate.
2) The first aggression was killing and assaulting Jews. The first few attacks were actually targeting the local Jews. To answer your question, no, that is aggression. Some Jews wanting to make mandatory Palestine a country for themselves (key word=WANTING) is a completely different topic . I've provided links for the attacks as well.
3) No, not at all. If it was stealing, then why did the U.N approve of it, recognize Israel and then make Israel a full U.N member. The land records have NOTHING to do with anything. It does not matter how much land was owned by Arabs vs. Jews. Israel declared independence in 1948 using Resolution 181 as a basis, the SAME WAY the Palestinians did so in 1988
4) Huh? Are you saying that Jews were the first ones to start killing Arabs ? Immigrating is not an attack, no matter what your intention is. stupid thing to day What an incredibly . Arabs were the first ones to attack, and they did so by massacring Jews several times before ANY Arab was killed or even attacked.
The problem with you is that you are to much of a coward to admit that you lost the argument. But anyone is free to see that I refuted every single one of your lies, and I'll be glad to provide links .
1. Going to a place on another continent with the intention of displacing the local people and creating a society/government of your own is an invasion. This was the first aggression. How in the devil can you logically dispute this fact?
2. The first recorded violence was as a result of conflict about land and access to it. It mushroomed from this to what we have now. Suffice it to say, if the European Jews had not gone to Palestine, this initial violence would not have started. Who is to blame for the this initial violence? The Europeans that had gone to Palestine or the locals who the Europeans were preventing from going about their business as they had for thousands of years?
You will have to download the source document via the link below and read pages 78-80 if you do not believe the transcription. Note: Source documents require more work to find and read. But, they are bereft of propaganda, they disclose fact.
http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:f7a32077-ccb8-4a6a-b18e-ce7a60fbf518/datastreams/ATTACHMENT1
".....there wore also sides to the
newcomers which rankled with the fellaheen and, as these soon
led to friction, they should be considered at some length.
The Jewish settlers caused offence because they were
ignorant of Arabic and of Arab ways; inadvertently they
flouted local custom. For example, usage had it that everyone
shared natural pasturelands, which were regarded by the
fellaheen as a "gift from God" - "hadha min Allah". The Jews,
unfamiliar with this custom and fearing for their first small
crops, regarded the incursions of Arab shepherds with their
flocks as trespass and expelled them forcibly. When they
found that the Arabs repeatedly sent flocks and cattle to
graze on their land, the Jews organised guards (often local
Arabs) whose duty it was to round up the offending animals
and corral them. Their owners were made to pay fines to
2 redeem the animals or were punished bodily. The colonies
wore a temptation to the Arabs to steal and, again, the Jewish
settlers were forthright in restraining t hem. Accidents,
personal quarrels over matters of no great import, and
ignorance of other local customs also brought Arabs and Jows to blows from time to time. In their brushes with the
Arabs, the Jewish colonists were apt to use a heavy hand,
for they wore tough young men, unaccustomed to being able to
hit back with impunity and determined not to yield to anyone.
The first collision of any consequence in the history
of the New Yishshub took place at Petah Tiqva on March 29th,1886. It involved fellaheen from the large Muslim Arab
village of al Yahudiya about four miles south of Petah Tiqva.
This village did not have sufficient pasture of its own and
was accustomed to graze its animals on Petah Tiqva 1 s land, a practice which the Jews had tried to prevent. The fellaheen,
on their side, also provided a source of friction, for
they had ploughed up a road to the north of the colony,
claiming that it was not a public highway and demanding that
the settlors use other routes to roach their outlying tracts
of land. This caused inconvenience and the settlors felt
they could not comply. On March 28th, Joshua Stampfer rode
down the old road on his way to one of these tracts of land
and was relieved of his horse by the fellaheen. On the same
day, the Jews rounded up ten mules belonging to the fellaheen
which they found grazing on their land. On March 29th it
rained heavily and most of the colonists went to Jaffa to
settle personal affairs rather than work in the muddy fields.
Fifty to sixty villagers from al Yahudiya, seeing that the
colony was virtually empty, attacked it, smashing windows
and destroying household goods.
3. Just because a Western controlled organization decides to completely overturn the treaties and promises made by the predecessor organization (the League of Nations) and take land from the local people and give it Europeans does not make it a legal or moral act. For example, though at the time it was considered "legal" and "proper", today we consider the assignment of parts of Latin America to Spain and Portugal by the Pope, ridiculous.
4. Immigrating with the clear intention of creating a state of your own and preventing the local people from continuing their way of life is aggression and an invasion. The European settlement of Palestine is no different than the European settlement of North America. The Europeans invaded North America, the Thanksgiving myth notwithstanding.
