Palestinians are the descendants of the area's original Jews.

[editec]

Palestinians are the descendants of the area's original Jews


"Most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area's original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam."

Jonathan Cook in an Electronic Intifada article addresses the phenomena of a book 19 weeks on Israel's bestseller list that challenges Israel's biggest taboo. The book: When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? written by Shlomo Sand, an"expert on European history at Tel Aviv University" controversially argues that: the Jews were never exiled from the Holy Land, that most of today's Jews have no historical connection to the land called Israel and that the only political solution to the country's conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish state ....

Sand's main argument is that until little more than a century ago, Jews thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews challenged this idea and started creating a national history by inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their religion.

Palestinians are the descendants of the area's original Jews. - Indymedia Ireland

Palestinians are the descendants of the area's original Jews. - Indymedia Ireland

Some of them undoubtably are.

So?

It isn't like the original Jews of ancient Isreal and the Arabs are wildly different people.

They are both SEMITic TRIBES, after all.

They are in fact, cousins.

 

[georgephillip]

Do you think it accurate to say Semitic and Canaanite people are cousins?

 

[Marc39]

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria.

In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect.

The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria.

This phase was, however, of brief duration. With the rise and spread of pan-Arab ideologies it was as Arabs, not as south Syrians, that the Palestinian Arabs began to assert themselves. For the rest of the period of the British Mandate, and for many years after that, their organizations described themselves as Arab and expressed their national identity in Arab rather than in Palestinian or even in Syrian terms.

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So Ben Gurion who said that Palestinians are the descnedants of jews is a liar

Another bogus Ben Gurion quote, from a mental patient. Yawn.

 

[georgephillip]

"There are six selections re Zionism's relationship to anti-Semitism and racism prior to Hitler.

"The 51 documents, including 35 letters, memos, articles, and reports by Zionists, are from the Hitler era and after.

"Seven are by Nazis, most notably Eichmann's memoir, written in Argentina, on Hungarian collaborator RA<<zso Kasztner."

Lenni Brenner: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis

Any comment?

"Princeton"?

 

[Marc39]

"There are six selections re Zionism's relationship to anti-Semitism and racism prior to Hitler.

Comparing Zionism to Nazism constitutes anti-Semitism.
Did you learn Jew hatred from the animals who raised you?

Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

US Department of State
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

Anti-Semitism is one of the oldest forms of malicious intolerance and violates the precepts of human dignity and equality that are fundamental to a free and peaceful society.
History has shown that wherever anti-Semitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating anti-Semitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice and want to live in a more tolerant, peaceful world. Together, we must continue our efforts to monitor and combat anti-Semitism in all of its forms wherever and whenever it occurs.

Forms of Anti-Semitism

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

EUMC...
Examples of the ways in which antiSemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

FRA - European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights

 

[GHook93]

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria.

In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect.

The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria.

This phase was, however, of brief duration. With the rise and spread of pan-Arab ideologies it was as Arabs, not as south Syrians, that the Palestinian Arabs began to assert themselves. For the rest of the period of the British Mandate, and for many years after that, their organizations described themselves as Arab and expressed their national identity in Arab rather than in Palestinian or even in Syrian terms.

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So Ben Gurion who said that Palestinians are the descnedants of jews is a liar

No your a liar your fucking douche bag!

 

[Marc39]

Do you think it accurate to say Semitic and Canaanite people are cousins?

It's accurate to say Palestinians do not exist, dummy.

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Arab American Journalist Joe Farah...

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

Myths of the Middle East

 

[Freeman]

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

Amazon.com: The Middle East (9780684832807): Bernard Lewis: Books: Reviews, Prices & more

So Ben Gurion who said that Palestinians are the descnedants of jews is a liar

No your a liar your fucking douche bag!

"Ben-Gurion advances an elaborate cultural-demographic theory that the Falahin (the Arab peasants in Eretz Israel), are none others than our lost brethren — descendants of Jews who remained in Eretz Israel after the Roman expulsion and converted to Christianity and later Islam"

 

[Marc39]

So Ben Gurion who said that Palestinians are the descnedants of jews is a liar

No your a liar your fucking douche bag!

"Ben-Gurion advances an elaborate cultural-demographic theory that the Falahin (the Arab peasants in Eretz Israel), are none others than our lost brethren &#8212; descendants of Jews who remained in Eretz Israel after the Roman expulsion and converted to Christianity and later Islam"

Fabricated Ben Gurion quotes float around the Net and usually wind up on Nazi websites, where stooges, like you, pick them up.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis makes the point that Arabs never even called themselves Pallies until the late 20th century, hardly an "ancient" people. Arabs identified as Arabs or Muslims, not "Palestinians"
No books in Arabic even exist on the history of "Palestine" LOL

The Israeli conquests in the Six Day War in 1967 had another important consequence---the emergence of the Palestinian Arabs as a combatant force in the [Arab Israeli] conflict, with a strong and growing sense of a common Palestinian identity and, ultimately, nationhood. The formation of this sense of identity began with the establishment of the British Mandate and the creation of a new and separate political entity called Palestine, with different rulers, different institutions, and different problems from those of the neighboring land with which they had previoiusly been associated [Syria] Already in the 1920s, Palestinian Arab journalists and politicians began to speak of the Palestine National Movement. But, this was exclusively in the context of the struggle against British rule and Jewish immigration. Their basic sense of corporate historic identity was Muslim or Arab or--for some--Syrian; it is significant that even by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after thirty years of separate Palestinian political existence, there were virtually no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine, the few exceptions being textbooks prepared for use in the Mandatory government's schools

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[Freeman]

how can a khazar converted to judaism in 7th century become israelite descendant of Abraham?

 

[Marc39]

how can a khazar converted to judaism in 7th century become israelite descendant of Abraham?

Take your medication, psycho.

Eminent Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...

During the first period in Islamic history [622 AD] when Islam was an Arab religion and the Caliphate an Arab Kingdom, the term Arab came to be applied to those who spoke Arabic, were full members by descent of an Arab tribe, and who, either in person or through their ancestors, had originated in Arabia.

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The League of Nations agreed...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country

Allah agrees...
Quran 5:20-21...

Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

Barack Obama agrees...

Israel is a sovereign state, and the historic homeland of the Jewish people.

It should be clear to all that efforts to chip away at Israel's legitimacy will only be met by the unshakeable opposition of the United States. The slaughter of innocent Israelis is not resistance -- it's injustice

Remarks by the President to the United Nations General Assembly | The White House

Winston Churchill agreed...

The Jews had Palestine before that indigenous population [the Arabs] came in and inhabited it

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The US Congress agrees...

The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NATIONAL HOME FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED

Palestine of today, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning. At different periods various alien people succeeded them but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land.

Today it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish. And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to.

A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine. But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to the question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland.

Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews today are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing their Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of the people.

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Quran 5:20-21...
Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.
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The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NATIONAL HOME FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED

"Palestine of today, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning. At different periods various alien people succeeded them but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land.

Today it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish. And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to.

A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine. But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to the question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland.

Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews today are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing their Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of the people.[/quote]

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[georgephillip]

"CONCLUSION I &#8211; For Jewish Readers

"As we have seen, the root cause of the Palestine-Israel conflict is clear.

"During the 1948 war, 750,000 Palestinians fled in terror or were actively expelled from their ancestral homeland and turned into refugees.

"The state of Israel then refused to allow them to return and either destroyed their villages entirely or expropriated their land, orchards, houses, businesses and personal possessions for the use of the Jewish population.

"This was the birth of the state of Israel.

"We know it is hard to accept emotionally, but in this case the Jewish people are in the wrong.

"We took most of Palestine by force from the Arabs and blamed the victims for resisting their dispossession. If you run into someone&#8217;s car, for whatever reason, simple justice demands that you repair it.

"Our moral obligation to the Palestinian people is no less clear. It is time for all Jewish people of good conscience to make amends to the Palestinians in order to live up to the best part of the Jewish tradition&#8212;its ethical basis.

"Any criticism of Israel is traditionally seen by American Jews as harmful to the Jewish people, even if the criticism is true. But once we start down the slippery slope where the ends justify the means, we have left behind any claim to morality.

"Along with millions of other American Jews unaffiliated with the major U.S. Jewish organizations, we are outraged at the Israeli government&#8217;s ongoing oppression of the Palestinians and feel that it has been the ruination of the high moral standing of the Jewish people."

The Origin

 

[Marc39]

"CONCLUSION I &#8211; For Jewish Readers

"As we have seen, the root cause of the Palestine-Israel conflict is clear.[/B]

"During the 1948 war, 750,000 Palestinians fled in terror or were actively expelled from their ancestral homeland and turned into refugees.

Inventing history, again, George? Tsk tsk. This is why you're severely uneducated and mentally unstable.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis edifies...

Between 1947 and 1949 a large part of the Arab inhabitants of the territories included in the new state of Israel left their homes [due to a war initiated by the Arabs] and took refuge on the West Bank, in the Gaza Strip, and in the neighboring countries. The Israelis claim that they left at the instigation of their own leaders, who told them to go so as not to interfere with the movements of troops, and promised them that they would return in the wake of the triumphant Arab armies very shortly. The Arabs maintain that they were driven out by the Israelis. Both arguments are true; both are false. Some were undoubtedly told to go by their own leaders; some, notably in the strategically vital corridor between Jerusalem and the coast, were ordered to leave by the advancing Israeli troops.

The great majority, like countless millions of refugees elsewhere, left their homes amid the confusion and panic of invasion and war&#8212;one more unhappy part of the vast movement of populations which occurred in the aftermath of World War II. As the Poles fled from the eastern areas seized by the Russians, as the Germans fled from East German territories annexed by the Poles, as millions of Muslims and Hindus fled from India to Pakistan and from Pakistan to India, so too did great numbers of Arabs flee from Palestine to the neighboring Arab states while large numbers of Jews, most of them previously unaffected by Zionist ideology, fled from the tensions which had arisen in the Arab states to the relative safety of Israel.

At the time it was hoped that this problem would be resolved, like the refugee problems in Eastern Europe and in the Indian subcontinent, and that the Arab refugees would be partly resettled in the Arab countries, partly returned to their homes. This did not happen, and with the exception of Jordan, the Arab governments made a point of not according citizenship to the refugees and of opposing their resettlement.

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[P F Tinmore]

THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE A WELL-DEVELOPED NATION POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, SOCIALLY, AND CULTURALLY INTRODUCTION

In order to create an alleged justification for the crime of genocide they have committed against the Palestinian Arabs, the Zionists have tried to convince the world that Palestine was practically uninhabited, "A Land Without People for a People without a Land." They created and propagated the myths that the Palestinian Arabs were nomads or seminomads without a culture and civilization, that the Palestinians had neither a national identity nor existence, that the Palestinians lacked an economic structure and roots in the land.

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity. Absorbing or outlasting various conquerors, Palestinians tenaciously tended their ancestral farmlands, whether as freeholders or as tenants and mortgagees, and by the end of World War 11, mostly as unfettered freeholders again. In his study of the history of landholdings in Palestine, Abraham Granott, formerly Managing Director of the Jewish National Fund, admits:

When the kingdom of Byzantium was subjugated by the Arabs, practically the whole of the land belonged to the big proprietors, the Emperor, the municipal authorities, and religious bodies, as churches and so on, while the soil was cultivated by the former owners who had remained on their plots as tenants after the land had passed into the hands of large owners.(1)

Thus the Palestinian fanners expelled by the Zionists in 1948 were the lineal descendants of the most ancient owners of the land. The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous population of Palestine, the descendants of the Philistines and of all the Semitic peoples who have lived in Palestine since the time of the Canaanites. Successive waves of newcomers, such as Philistines from Crete, Semites from Iraq, Romans, Greeks and Arabs came and intermarried with the native stock.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

 

[Marc39]

THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE A WELL-DEVELOPED NATION POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, SOCIALLY, AND CULTURALLY INTRODUCTION

BOGUS. Your bullshit won't pass, here, stupid little boy.

Palestine Royal Commisison.

The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land [to Jews] and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

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[P F Tinmore]

THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE A WELL-DEVELOPED NATION POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, SOCIALLY, AND CULTURALLY INTRODUCTION

BOGUS. Your bullshit won't pass, here, stupid little boy.

Palestine Royal Commisison.

The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land [to Jews] and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

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Of course it is bogus to you. If it isn't www.israelibullshit.il it is bogus.

 

[docmauser1]

Of course it is bogus to you. If it isn't www.israelibullshit.il it is bogus.

All palestinian® pornsites are bogus. That's an established fact, so, let's admit it and stop fooling innocent people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course it is bogus to you. If it isn't www.israelibullshit.il it is bogus.

All palestinian® pornsites are bogus. That's an established fact, so, let's admit it and stop fooling innocent people.

Established by whom? The lying sacks of shit in Israel?

 

[docmauser1]

Of course it is bogus to you. If it isn't www.israelibullshit.il it is bogus.

All palestinian® pornsites are bogus. That's an established fact, so, let's admit it and stop fooling innocent people.

Established by whom?

By the eminent me, the world-renowned expert on palestinians® and palestinian® pornsites, of course.

The lying sacks of shit in Israel?

Liars, calling others liars, funny.

 

[Marc39]

Of course it is bogus to you. If it isn't www.israelibullshit.il it is bogus.

All palestinian® pornsites are bogus. That's an established fact, so, let's admit it and stop fooling innocent people.

Established by whom? The lying sacks of shit in Israel?

Arabs and Muslims are honest.

Bukhari:V7B67N427

The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.