Palestinian money crisis looms ahead of UN bid

[JStone]

Former Palestine Liberation Organization Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

"The Palestinian people does not exist."

Good source.

Good source...

Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East history, Columbia University, Director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago, former advisor to PLO...

"There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

 

[Big Fitz]

That's right. The philistines... I mean palestinians were created after the invention of the Trans Jordan was made by Great Britain after WW1. As usual they fucked it up, and then discovered JEWS were going to move in, so helped the other arab nations and tribes shuttle their riff raff over there to populate the vacant space that was much of Israel and pretend it was an indigenous people instead of accepting their given home of Jordan.

And if you read the book of Joshua, you find out what God wanted done to those who inhabited the lands that his Chosen people were given. Whoopsie!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Former Palestine Liberation Organization Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

"The Palestinian people does not exist."

Good source.

Good source...

Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East history, Columbia University, Director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago, former advisor to PLO...

"There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

Name game. How many people were United States nationalists in 1750?

 

[JStone]

Good source.

Good source...

Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East history, Columbia University, Director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago, former advisor to PLO...

"There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

Name game. How many people were United States nationalists in 1750?

Eminent Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...
The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate

 

[Big Fitz]

Good source.

Good source...

Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East history, Columbia University, Director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago, former advisor to PLO...

"There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

Name game. How many people were United States nationalists in 1750?

Hmmm, during the French and Indian War when the British Colonists were fighting against the French colonists and indian tribes over control of territory now known as Ontario and the Midwest?

How about we learn a little about history here? Most of the issues that were problematic with the british empire towards American colonists didn't exist then. Those started showing up in the 1760's and 70's.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good source...

Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East history, Columbia University, Director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago, former advisor to PLO...

"There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

Name game. How many people were United States nationalists in 1750?

Hmmm, during the French and Indian War when the British Colonists were fighting against the French colonists and indian tribes over control of territory now known as Ontario and the Midwest?

How about we learn a little about history here? Most of the issues that were problematic with the british empire towards American colonists didn't exist then. Those started showing up in the 1760's and 70's.

That is the point. How could the natives claim to be Palestinians before it was called Palestine. The colonists were not US nationalists before it was called the US.

It is all just a worthless name game.

 

[JStone]

Name game. How many people were United States nationalists in 1750?

Hmmm, during the French and Indian War when the British Colonists were fighting against the French colonists and indian tribes over control of territory now known as Ontario and the Midwest?

How about we learn a little about history here? Most of the issues that were problematic with the british empire towards American colonists didn't exist then. Those started showing up in the 1760's and 70's.

That is the point. How could the natives claim to be Palestinians before it was called Palestine. The colonists were not US nationalists before it was called the US.

It is all just a worthless name game.

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

You have an archaeoligical record proving Palestinians lived in Israel even prior to the 20th century AD? No, I didn't think so.

PBS Nova.

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one ofthe most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as thre Merneptah Stele. The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

No they haven't.

 

[JStone]

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

No they haven't.

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC. Arabs are from Arabia.

Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth. http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k66717&tabgroupid=icb.tabgroup103110

 

[CMike]

They might have to cut down on their monthly rocket purchases.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC.

Who was their king during the Ottoman era?

 

[JStone]

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC.

Who was their king during the Ottoman era?

Who was the Palestinian king, birdbrain?

 

[Big Fitz]

Hmmm, during the French and Indian War when the British Colonists were fighting against the French colonists and indian tribes over control of territory now known as Ontario and the Midwest?

How about we learn a little about history here? Most of the issues that were problematic with the british empire towards American colonists didn't exist then. Those started showing up in the 1760's and 70's.

That is the point. How could the natives claim to be Palestinians before it was called Palestine. The colonists were not US nationalists before it was called the US.

It is all just a worthless name game.

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

You have an archaeoligical record proving Palestinians lived in Israel even prior to the 20th century AD? No, I didn't think so.

PBS Nova.

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one ofthe most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as thre Merneptah Stele. The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

In all intellectual fairness, no jew had ruled in Israel since 33ad. They have had their nation given away by God on 3 occasions. When they followed Joseph into Egypt and entered slavery, the Babalonian Captivity and the Roman Diaspora which lasted from 33ad to 1949. God did this as punishment for his 'stiff necked' people. But He always returned them to THEIR land that He promised to Abraham. Just because other people had come in and squatted on their land in the intervening time does not change their claim to it. The fact they don't control the temple mount is more or less a testament to their respect for that land and the Solomon like wisdom to allow the baby to live rather than cut it in twain.

When Mark Twain visited Palestine as it was actually known as during the late 1800's he saw what a desolate place it had become under the control of Austria-Hungary as well as the ottoman turks. They actually taxed TREES! And therefore cut them down to prevent being taxed. It was a wasteland for nigh 2000 years. Even the Crusaders noted how crappy the land was under Muslim care. No love for the land and so it lay fallow for the most part.

The fact that it was vacant for so long in many ways shows God's power as well as the incredible nature of the return of Israel to the world as a nation and the revitalization of Hebrew as a language, back from the dead. Little pissant squatters trying to claim they have a priori rights, when none exist to that land is nothing short of disgusting in my book when they have been given their own homeland in Jordan. Says to me it's nothing short of satan pissing in God's people's eyes because he can at the moment. But that's a spiritual and historical view of it.

 

[JStone]

That is the point. How could the natives claim to be Palestinians before it was called Palestine. The colonists were not US nationalists before it was called the US.

It is all just a worthless name game.

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

You have an archaeoligical record proving Palestinians lived in Israel even prior to the 20th century AD? No, I didn't think so.

PBS Nova.

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one ofthe most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as thre Merneptah Stele. The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

In all intellectual fairness, no jew had ruled in Israel since 33ad.

In all fairness, no nation other than the Jewish nation existed in Israel for 3000 years to today.

Your history lesson for the day.

 

[JStone]

That is the point. How could the natives claim to be Palestinians before it was called Palestine. The colonists were not US nationalists before it was called the US.

It is all just a worthless name game.

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

You have an archaeoligical record proving Palestinians lived in Israel even prior to the 20th century AD? No, I didn't think so.

PBS Nova.

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one ofthe most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as thre Merneptah Stele. The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

In all intellectual fairness, no jew had ruled in Israel since 33ad.

In all fairness, you're an uninformed dink.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Israel

1267: Maimonides arrives and establishes a synagogue in Israel . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

Jewish villages established in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla

 

[Big Fitz]

Jews have lived in and ruled in Israel since the 13th century BC, verified by the archaeological record.

You have an archaeoligical record proving Palestinians lived in Israel even prior to the 20th century AD? No, I didn't think so.

PBS Nova.


1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube

In all intellectual fairness, no jew had ruled in Israel since 33ad.

In all fairness, you're an uninformed dink.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Israel

1267: Maimonides arrives and establishes a synagogue in Israel . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

Jewish villages established in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla

You have made a vital error.

I said RULED. Establishing villages and participating in the military activity of a foreign army is NOT RULING. Being a majority population didn't help black africans rule South Africa till Apartheid was ended, now did it? Who ruled there? Critical and important difference. Jews established villages all over europe and in russia too. They didn't rule those nations either. They haven't ruled ANY nation since oh, I was wrong... it was like 45ad when the Romans tore the nation apart.

 

[JStone]

In all intellectual fairness, no jew had ruled in Israel since 33ad.

In all fairness, you're an uninformed dink.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Israel

1267: Maimonides arrives and establishes a synagogue in Israel . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

Jewish villages established in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla

You have made a vital error.

I said RULED. Establishing villages and participating in the military activity of a foreign army is NOT RULING. Being a majority population didn't help black africans rule South Africa till Apartheid was ended, now did it? Who ruled there? Critical and important difference.

You made a vital error in being unaware that Jews are the only nation that have lived in and ruled in Israel for the last 3000 years.

Now, even you know

 

[Big Fitz]

In all fairness, you're an uninformed dink.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Israel

1267: Maimonides arrives and establishes a synagogue in Israel . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

Jewish villages established in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla

You have made a vital error.

I said RULED. Establishing villages and participating in the military activity of a foreign army is NOT RULING. Being a majority population didn't help black africans rule South Africa till Apartheid was ended, now did it? Who ruled there? Critical and important difference.

You made a vital error in being unaware that Jews are the only nation that have lived in and ruled in Israel for the last 3000 years.

Now, even you know

::: pinches bridge of nose :::

yeah, right. Like a mad dog, you forgot who you were biting and bit an ally. I may be for an Israel free of the delusions of the world through Palestine, but I'm not intellectually dishonest about the nature and history of that area. You want to play revisionism, do it without me. I've no time for mad dogs regardless of subject.

Oh and get a rabies vaccination before someone puts you down for acting that way.

 

[JStone]

You have made a vital error.

I said RULED. Establishing villages and participating in the military activity of a foreign army is NOT RULING. Being a majority population didn't help black africans rule South Africa till Apartheid was ended, now did it? Who ruled there? Critical and important difference.

You made a vital error in being unaware that Jews are the only nation that have lived in and ruled in Israel for the last 3000 years.

Now, even you know

::: pinches bridge of nose :::

yeah, right. Like a mad dog, you forgot who you were biting and bit an ally. I may be for an Israel free of the delusions of the world through Palestine, but I'm not intellectually dishonest about the nature and history of that area. You want to play revisionism, do it without me. I've no time for mad dogs regardless of subject.

Oh and get a rabies vaccination before someone puts you down for acting that way.

You are either intellectually dishonest or just plain uninformed. Jews are the only nation that has existed in Israel for 3000 years to the present.

Historian Bernard Lewis...
It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten. All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

 

[Big Fitz]

How's Babylon handling the current debt crisis? what's their GDP? National boarders?

I'm done talking with a nutty radical like you squashing facts to fit his desired view.