I'm sorry Stoney but Joinvilles account was written at the time 1249,the other thing is I have studied Ghengis Khan in great detail and he received much BAD press over the years,he was infact a brilliant Military Strategist,in his Capital Quaroran,he had complete freedom of speech and faith.....hence people from throughout the world including Jews and Christians lived and worked there moreover at one time the Crusaders requested his help against Saladin and the Sarecens but his emmesaries (he used Chinese subjects for all his administrative work throughout his vast empire,anyway they told the Templars that he couldn't help because certain elements of their force were cannibals!!!!!!!which proved to be true!!!!!!!!
Ghengis Khan only promoted by ability not by favour and the loyalty of his conquered subjects was profound,he conquered from China to close to Vienna in Europe.
Stoned by 1249 the Jews had been dispersed throughout the know world by then,many living as far away as Spain where there was a large community who lived freely under Muslim rule at the time,regrettably when the Christians under Phillip of Spain defeated the Muslims(who had by then created stupendous cities,and even the Christians at the time were so impressed they did not destroy or raise these cities to the ground,these towns and cities are still there for us to admire today,the Muslims had by this time built Universities and were the pinnicle of learning,it was here that Jews developed and grew,such was their mental capacity to lean and innovate etc,.)But when the Christians took over it was the usual anti-semetism and banishment,not only Spain but all over Europe and England.These Pograms were much like the Pograms in Russia in 1890's and 1900's.....where many Jewish families migrated to the US,England and countries like South Africa,Australia and New Zealand.The final disgraceful attack against the Jewish people was 30 years or so later under hitler and the nazis,the German people(most) and many others including Croatians and parts of the Catholic Church,who were partners in this attempt to wipe out Jews from the face of the earth.
Christians at these times blamed the Jews for the death of Christ.
Thankfully they failed,my only argument with you is that you are attempting to airbrush the Palestinians out of history which when you reflect on the nazis,thats exactly what they attempted to do and almost succeeded.The irony is that when hitler had finished with the Jews his next target was the Palestinians , he and the nazis believe they were related.
Palestinians have every right like the Jews have every right to their own homeland,samantics aside this is only the fair thing as most Jews will agree too...the problem with some ultra orthodox Jews is that they are moving the goal posts to ensure this will not happen,much like Hamas in their call to eliminate Jews both sides are the same....Idiots.
Stoned I know often you read passages of the Bible but I like to read of peoples utterings in or at real time when it was happening(witnesses if you like)not from a book where the writings are often centuries after the event.
steven..aka theliq
As for your comments on ATATURK you are completely wrong,he bought the Turks/Ottomans after WW1 into the 20th Century as a Secular Society and is renown for his Brilliance as not only his Military prowess but as a Peace Time Leader.
Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...
The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria
The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate
Cambridge University Press
Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire...
Palestine did not exist in the geographical imagination of the Ottomans...[Before modern Israel], Jews referred to the territory as Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel. Throughout the Ottoman period, pilgrims and clergy from both religious traditions visited what they considered the "Holy Land" following a route from the port of Jaffa to Jerusalem.
%%%%%AS FOR JILLIAN WHO KEEPS SENDING ME BORING MESSAGES....LIKE STONED AND OTHERS,YOU SHOULD GET OUT MORE AND START TO LIVE!!!!!!!
,keep pecking and scratching around you TURKEY,in the dirt.
eoples who originated from the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas. [King] David fought Goliath the Philistine. Hadrian added the final insult to injury by renaming Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina" after his family name Aelius.
