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Issam Yamani and Loubna Qutami - Return and Liberation: Conference of Palestinian Shatat

 
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Exclusive: Rare interview with slain Palestinian medic Razan al-Najjar

 
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Israeli settlers destroy hundreds of trees in Palestinian villages.

 
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Every morning is a new fight for Palestinians, so they just have to remind themselves that Palestine is theirs and occupation must perish.

 

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RE: Palestine Today
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So tell me "P F Tinmore!" What is it that you think these Police Officers are doing (specifically). Obviously this is a non-lethal action.

Give me some context...

Are you praising the action of the officers? --- or --- Are you protesting their action? Tell us why!


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Every morning is a new fight for Palestinians, so they just have to remind themselves that Palestine is theirs and occupation must perish.

Maybe they need to work on creating a ritual. You know, like a celebration commemorating themes of freedom and redemption and self-determination. It could be in the spring.

Hey, I have an idea. They could maybe even introduce some ritual language. What do you think? Maybe: "Le-shanah haba'ah b'Yerushalayim".

Yeah, that could work.
 

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Every morning is a new fight for Palestinians, so they just have to remind themselves that Palestine is theirs and occupation must perish.

Maybe they need to work on creating a ritual. You know, like a celebration commemorating themes of freedom and redemption and self-determination. It could be in the spring.

Hey, I have an idea. They could maybe even introduce some ritual language. What do you think? Maybe: "Le-shanah haba'ah b'Yerushalayim".

Yeah, that could work.
Or they can start by learning how to pronounce 'P-alestine' first.
I hear they're getting taught that in the US.

Who knows,
maybe in another 100 years, or so, most eventually learn.

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Prof. Eyal Zisser thinks the coronavirus threat may bring Israel and the Palestinians closer together. His argument – which has not convinced me – is here.

The Gaza Strip faces a very problematic combination of third-world healthcare, one of the highest population densities in the world, and difficulty in enforcing instructions issued by the Palestinian Ministry of HealthThe Palestinians are being pushed into Israel’s arms by the arrival of the epidemic, since they are entirely dependent on the medical aid Israel provides them with to stop the spread of the virus. But the coronavirus crisis has turned the spotlight on a familiar and complicated truth, which many still deny — that it is difficult and maybe impossible to separate the Palestinians and the Israelis, and that the 2005 disengagement from Gaza did not truly “disengage” Gaza from Israel.

Day-to-day life in Judea and Samaria, where Jewish and Palestinian communities exist side by side, along with the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians make their living in Israel, make any attempt to separate the two populations in an attempt to stop the virus impractical. But Gaza, too, which is supposedly cut off from Israel, is becoming Israel’s responsibility since Hamas can fire on Sderot or Tel Aviv but cannot care for the residents of Gaza in a humanitarian crisis of the kind the world is currently facing.

 

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^Hamas long ago made its choice. It chose to spend time and money and attention on making life as difficult and dangerous as it could for Israelis. Almost every Friday, for the past two years, it has staged the Great March of Return to try to breach Israel’s security fence. The script never varies: Israel first tries to head off the marchers by firing rubber bullets and tear gas. Those who continue and get very near to the fence then are subject to non-lethal fire, but the Israelis aim below the knee only in order to temporarily prevent ambulation.The protesters who get right up to the fence, throwing Molotov cocktails, grenades, occasionally gunfire, at Israeli soldiers, and let loose incendiary kites to set Israeli farmland on fire, are the ones whom soldiers fire at above the knees, in the most threatening cases, shooting to kill.
Hamas has spent a lot, too, on hundreds of terror tunnels it has built from Gaza into both Israel and Egypt. These tunnels are very long and very deep – many built at a depth of 100 and reaching 2640 feet in length. They were to be used by Hamas fighters who, it was planned, would emerge at the Israeli opening, to kidnap or kill Israeli civilians, then quickly disappear into the tunnel and back to Gaza. Life for Israeli civilians near the Gaza border, with such a threat a constant possibility remains tense even in times of quiet.
 
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^Hamas long ago made its choice. It chose to spend time and money and attention on making life as difficult and dangerous as it could for Israelis. Almost every Friday, for the past two years, it has staged the Great March of Return to try to breach Israel’s security fence. The script never varies: Israel first tries to head off the marchers by firing rubber bullets and tear gas. Those who continue and get very near to the fence then are subject to non-lethal fire, but the Israelis aim below the knee only in order to temporarily prevent ambulation.The protesters who get right up to the fence, throwing Molotov cocktails, grenades, occasionally gunfire, at Israeli soldiers, and let loose incendiary kites to set Israeli farmland on fire, are the ones whom soldiers fire at above the knees, in the most threatening cases, shooting to kill.
Hamas has spent a lot, too, on hundreds of terror tunnels it has built from Gaza into both Israel and Egypt. These tunnels are very long and very deep – many built at a depth of 100 and reaching 2640 feet in length. They were to be used by Hamas fighters who, it was planned, would emerge at the Israeli opening, to kidnap or kill Israeli civilians, then quickly disappear into the tunnel and back to Gaza. Life for Israeli civilians near the Gaza border, with such a threat a constant possibility remains tense even in times of quiet.
They were to be used by Hamas fighters who, it was planned, would emerge at the Israeli opening, to kidnap or kill Israeli civilians, then quickly disappear into the tunnel and back to Gaza. Life for Israeli civilians near the Gaza border, with such a threat a constant possibility remains tense even in times of quiet.
More Israeli lies.

Those tunnels have never been used to attack civilians. They have only been used for legitimate defense.

The Palestinians never experience quiet. They suffer occupation 24/7.
 

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RE: Palestine Today
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Your Complete Guide to Hamas’ Network of Terror Tunnel

Those tunnels have never been used to attack civilians. They have only been used for legitimate defense.

The Palestinians never experience quiet. They suffer occupation 24/7.
(COMMENT)


This argument (used for legitimate defense) might have had some credibility if not for the fact that it crossed the border and penetrated Israeli Sovereignty.
  • In 2006, Hamas militants used a tunnel to launch a surprise attack that captured an Israel soldier, Gilad Shalit, who was held as a hostage for five years before being exchanged for over one thousand Palestinian prisoners.
  • Used to store weapons and ammunition, protect Hamas personnel and provide fortified underground launching pads for firing rockets at Israel.
  • Uses tunnels to smuggle arms, including sophisticated Iranian rockets, into Gaza from Egypt.
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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


Your Complete Guide to Hamas’ Network of Terror Tunnel

Those tunnels have never been used to attack civilians. They have only been used for legitimate defense.

The Palestinians never experience quiet. They suffer occupation 24/7.
(COMMENT)


This argument (used for legitimate defense) might have had some credibility if not for the fact that it crossed the border and penetrated Israeli Sovereignty.
  • In 2006, Hamas militants used a tunnel to launch a surprise attack that captured an Israel soldier, Gilad Shalit, who was held as a hostage for five years before being exchanged for over one thousand Palestinian prisoners.
  • Used to store weapons and ammunition, protect Hamas personnel and provide fortified underground launching pads for firing rockets at Israel.
  • Uses tunnels to smuggle arms, including sophisticated Iranian rockets, into Gaza from Egypt.
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Never attacked civilians.

Just like I said and Israel lied about.
 

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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


Your Complete Guide to Hamas’ Network of Terror Tunnel

Those tunnels have never been used to attack civilians. They have only been used for legitimate defense.

The Palestinians never experience quiet. They suffer occupation 24/7.
(COMMENT)


This argument (used for legitimate defense) might have had some credibility if not for the fact that it crossed the border and penetrated Israeli Sovereignty.
  • In 2006, Hamas militants used a tunnel to launch a surprise attack that captured an Israel soldier, Gilad Shalit, who was held as a hostage for five years before being exchanged for over one thousand Palestinian prisoners.
  • Used to store weapons and ammunition, protect Hamas personnel and provide fortified underground launching pads for firing rockets at Israel.
  • Uses tunnels to smuggle arms, including sophisticated Iranian rockets, into Gaza from Egypt.
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Most Respectfully,
R
Tinmore is quite correct to state that the tunnels have predominantly a defensive function despite the list you give and have never been used by militants to attack Israeli civilians. The capture of Shalit ( whose name everyone knows ,more later ) is a legitimate act within the struggle for national liberation.

We all know Shalits name even though his detention was legitimate but we know the names of how many of the Palestinians held in administrative detention whose detention is much much more questionable ?

Due to the IDFs complete and unchallenged air supremacy in Gaza it makes total sense for the Palestinian factions to go underground. There is nothing in the laws of war that compel them to line up like ducks in front of the guns and planes of the hitech regional military superpower.

Additionally,

Rocco, why does the violation of sovereignty, and the very question of sovereignty, only seem to bother you when it involves Israeli territory ? Israel is a serial violator of Syrian and Lebanese air space. It controls Gazan airspace and coastal waters and regularly violates Gazan sovereign territory to kill its people.

In the WB it actually full on occupies and illegally settles the territory of another state and steadfastly denies the entire Palestinian people their own self determination in a sovereign state.

It has also violated Syrian territory since 1967 with an illegal annexation and illegal settlements of the Golan.

Yet here you are bemoaning a legitimate act of resistance ( Shalit ) for a single violation of sovereignty whilsy being silent of the mountainous violations of sovereignty committed by the state of Israel and it's forces.

You appear to be a reasonable person so I can only assume that your not seeing the hypocrisy in your view as being down to the superior propaganda of the Israeli/Wests side
 

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Exclusive: Rare interview with slain Palestinian medic Razan al-Najjar


Wow. An interview with a dead person. Pallywood is really dialing it up a notch!

Are you saying the interview is fake ? No , that would be a foolish mistake because I recall seeing those interview clips appearing around the time of her murder by IDF snipers.

So how is it " Palliwood " ? Which is a derogatory , imo , racial supremacist , term often used to slur any Palestinian film footage.

How it it "Palliwood " ?
 

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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


Your Complete Guide to Hamas’ Network of Terror Tunnel

Those tunnels have never been used to attack civilians. They have only been used for legitimate defense.

The Palestinians never experience quiet. They suffer occupation 24/7.
(COMMENT)


This argument (used for legitimate defense) might have had some credibility if not for the fact that it crossed the border and penetrated Israeli Sovereignty.
  • In 2006, Hamas militants used a tunnel to launch a surprise attack that captured an Israel soldier, Gilad Shalit, who was held as a hostage for five years before being exchanged for over one thousand Palestinian prisoners.
  • Used to store weapons and ammunition, protect Hamas personnel and provide fortified underground launching pads for firing rockets at Israel.
  • Uses tunnels to smuggle arms, including sophisticated Iranian rockets, into Gaza from Egypt.
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Never attacked civilians.

Just like I said and Israel lied about.
Hamas never attacked civilians ? You on drugs ??
 

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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


Your Complete Guide to Hamas’ Network of Terror Tunnel

Those tunnels have never been used to attack civilians. They have only been used for legitimate defense.

The Palestinians never experience quiet. They suffer occupation 24/7.
(COMMENT)


This argument (used for legitimate defense) might have had some credibility if not for the fact that it crossed the border and penetrated Israeli Sovereignty.
  • In 2006, Hamas militants used a tunnel to launch a surprise attack that captured an Israel soldier, Gilad Shalit, who was held as a hostage for five years before being exchanged for over one thousand Palestinian prisoners.
  • Used to store weapons and ammunition, protect Hamas personnel and provide fortified underground launching pads for firing rockets at Israel.
  • Uses tunnels to smuggle arms, including sophisticated Iranian rockets, into Gaza from Egypt.
View attachment 315951
Most Respectfully,
R
Never attacked civilians.

Just like I said and Israel lied about.
What you meant to say - is they FAILED to attack civilians.
Thank G-d, each time the rats appear out of tunnels near civilians they're neutralized.
 
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