Palestine Today

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

What territory does Israel occupy that wasn't vested with the sovereignty of its' people?

That was my question.

I knew You'd start dancing like a scared duck.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

OK, I'll bite!

(QUESTION)

What do you think our friend "Shusha" has been mislead about here?

Tell us what is wrong with the thesis "Shusha" as presented here...

Most Respectfully,
R

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

Actually, proof has been posted that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

You have not posted proof to disprove that.

Now, twist that falafel into a pretzel and disprove the disproof.

The universal duck.

Where is the proof?

Already been posted.

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

Actually, proof has been posted that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

You have not posted proof to disprove that.

Now, twist that falafel into a pretzel and disprove the disproof.

The universal duck.

Where is the proof?

Already been posted.

post #5098

Still doing the scared duck dance?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

Actually, proof has been posted that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

You have not posted proof to disprove that.

Now, twist that falafel into a pretzel and disprove the disproof.

The universal duck.

Where is the proof?

Already been posted.

I fully expected your retreat to silly cartoons.

Let me try and explain to you the fallacy you engage in which you can respond to with one of four identifiable one-liners you typically use.

You cannot require "disproof of that which is not" as a standard because you are establishing a fallacious standard which can be applied as a response, as you saw. When you make the nonsense claim ”Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization” I can then counter with “proof has been posted that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization. Prove it hasn't” Which is fully consistent, using your own standard.

Thus, I am merely accepting your standards and requiring you to accept the "standards", such as they are, you have established.

Therefore, I trust you will post the disproof.

 

[Shusha]

You clearly did not understand my post.

Oh, I'm a relatively intelligent person and have been reading your posts for some time now. Its not especially difficult to understand.

You weasel around trying to justify why the Jewish people are excepted from all standards and rights.

 

[Shusha]

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

Of course we have.

First proof: The Jewish people are a clearly defined indigenous people who originated on that territory. It is the Jewish homeland.

Second proof: The Jewish people have been present in that homeland for their entire existence as a people, more than 3000 years.

Third proof: The Jewish people, like all people, have an inherent, basic, universal, inviolable, non-negotiable human right to self-determination.

Fourth proof: International recognition of the Jewish people to reconstitute their national rights in that territory in the form of treaties and legal documents which are binding on the parties to those agreements.

Fifth proof: Israel is an State, in all ways, exactly like 192 other States.

Sixth proof: Israel holds actual, physical sovereign and effective control over territory which they are entitled to by law.


Finally, your premise is silly. There are dozens of States which are occupations of indigenous peoples created for the purpose of colonization. What is the point of bringing that up?

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

OK, I'll bite!

WOW, have you been mislead.

(QUESTION)

What do you think our friend "Shusha" has been mislead about here?

Tell us what is wrong with the thesis "Shusha" as presented here...

Most Respectfully,
R

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

You have not proven that it is an “ occupation “ that the U.N. endorsed on May 14, 1948.
You have also referred to the Armistice Lines as “ fake borders” yet when asked what the “ real borders” should be there is no response

 

[P F Tinmore]

Map of Israel without the fake armistice line borders.

 

[Shusha]

Exactly right. That's a map of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian students celebrate during their graduation ceremony at al-Aqsa University in Khan Younis in the southern of Gaza Strip.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

OK, I'll bite!

(QUESTION)

What do you think our friend "Shusha" has been mislead about here?

Tell us what is wrong with the thesis "Shusha" as presented here...

Most Respectfully,
R

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

You have not proven that it is an “ occupation “ that the U.N. endorsed on May 14, 1948.
You have also referred to the Armistice Lines as “ fake borders” yet when asked what the “ real borders” should be there is no response

The 1949 UN Armistice Agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. I have seen nothing since then to change that status.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

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[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Sovereignty (in this case) is understood to be that territory over which the people of the State Israel exercises and enforces its Supreme Authority to the exclusion of any other States (including the external Arab Palestinians).

He talks about “ fake Armistice Lines” yet when you ask what the “ real ones” are there is no response

Then where are they?

(COMMENT)

This is a distorted counterview made to slide away from where sovereignties are bounded in the reality of the physical world.

They want to say that the (as an example) Security Barrier is a form of apartheid, yet they are not willing to recognize that the sovereignty on either side of the Security Barrier is different from the other side. They want to claim that they are stupid to the point that they cannot recognize the territorial border markings and barriers; yet, the Arab Palestinians just tried in the last few months to breach these barriers that they cannot see or recognize. AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND the Arab Palestinians want to claim that they were (as our friend PF Tinmre says) born under occupation (effective control by the Israelis) yet, they cannot recognize the difference between the territorial atmosphere of the territories and Israel.

Nobody has ever posted any proof that Israel is not an occupation for the purpose of colonization.

You have not proven that it is an “ occupation “ that the U.N. endorsed on May 14, 1948.
You have also referred to the Armistice Lines as “ fake borders” yet when asked what the “ real borders” should be there is no response

The 1949 UN Armistice Agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. I have seen nothing since then to change that status.

You have a habit of projecting your ignorance of history.

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian students celebrate during their graduation ceremony at al-Aqsa University in Khan Younis in the southern of Gaza Strip.

Here’s another Death Cult graduation ceremony

 

[Hollie]

Israeli security establishment

 

[Hollie]

Yes, they get educated in open areas.

 

[rylah]

Since the beginning of the 'March of Return' not a single day has passed without violence from Gaza, what non-violent protest is he talking about?