Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, what a load of deflection!

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

 

[rylah]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, what a load of deflection!

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

It's the UN, all they do is push hot air and block vote.
Resolutions have nothing to do with reality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, what a load of deflection!

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

It's the UN, all they do is push hot air and block vote.
Resolutions have nothing to do with reality.

So when the UN recognized Israel it was just a bunch of hot air?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi

 

[rylah]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.
(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, what a load of deflection!

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

It's the UN, all they do is push hot air and block vote.
Resolutions have nothing to do with reality.

So when the UN recognized Israel it was just a bunch of hot air?

UN was not in power to give or take anything from Israel.
It made no actual difference.

 

[P F Tinmore]

WOW, what a load of deflection!

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

It's the UN, all they do is push hot air and block vote.
Resolutions have nothing to do with reality.

So when the UN recognized Israel it was just a bunch of hot air?

UN was not in power to give or take anything from Israel.
It made no actual difference.

Indeed, the UN cannot legitimize or delegitimize any state. It can only give political, not legal, recognition.

 

[Hollie]

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

It's the UN, all they do is push hot air and block vote.
Resolutions have nothing to do with reality.

So when the UN recognized Israel it was just a bunch of hot air?

UN was not in power to give or take anything from Israel.
It made no actual difference.

Indeed, the UN cannot legitimize or delegitimize any state. It can only give political, not legal, recognition.

Indeed, Israel did not need the UN to legitimize or delegitimize its establishment of sovereign territory.

 

[rylah]

Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi

Vetoed! What's wrong with the UN security council – and how it could do better

Is it still functional? Is it still fair?
Seventy years on, hardly anyone claims the security council is representative. There are no African or Latin American states among the permanent members. Nor is India, despite its vast population and increasingly powerful economy. It still produces large numbers of resolutions and manages 16 peacekeeping missions, but on Syria, the most lethal and destabilising conflict in the world today, it is paralysed by disagreement and vetoes. So is it becoming obsolete?

Diluting the veto
Another possible remedy involves reining in the use of the veto. In recent times, east-west antagonism has brought back paralysis when it comes to major crises. Over the past 10 years, Russia has used its veto on 10 occasions, largely to avoid scrutiny over its actions in Ukraine – or to protect allies, such as the Syrian regime, from UN pressure. China has used its veto six times but never on its own – always in tandem with Russia. The US has issued vetoes three times since 2005, each time to defend Israel from censure.

Vetoed! What's wrong with the UN security council – and how it could do better

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Everyone is saying that the UN is nonfunctional, it's pretty clear which block uses the most vetoes.

 

[Hollie]

Stateworthy folks.

 

[rylah]

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.

What was wrong with the resolution?

It's the UN, all they do is push hot air and block vote.
Resolutions have nothing to do with reality.

So when the UN recognized Israel it was just a bunch of hot air?

UN was not in power to give or take anything from Israel.
It made no actual difference.

Indeed, the UN cannot legitimize or delegitimize any state. It can only give political, not legal, recognition.

Political recognition is based on identity politics, identity is a biased construct not relevant to law.
And legal transfer of sovereignty had already occurred decades before the UN was created.

A politician can go and claim the moon rises out of his bottom...he can also find a newspaper to advertise it - this is the UN.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think "rylah" is correct (Posting #4242).

Equally important is that

What was wrong with the resolution?

(COMMENT)

Most Resolutions are impossible to enforce without an action plan for penalties. If the Hostile Arab Palestinians perform an unlawful --- how should it be addressed; what action taken?

So when the UN recognized Israel it was just a bunch of hot air?

(COMMENT)

There are two very broad categories of Resolutions: 1) Binding and 2) Non-Binding. And these can be tricky. In Your Posting #4229 → you cited two unenforceable and non-binding resolutions.

• A/RES/15/1514 (1960) → Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries

• A/RES/37/43 (1982) → Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

While A/RES/15/1514 (1960) is applicable to the UK, US, France and New Zealand, the last of the Colonial Powers holding Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) still remaining, there are none in the Middle East (See: Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

Yes many anti-Israeli propagandist try to apply the concepts of A/RES/15/1514 the Arab-Israeli Conflict, as you can see for yourself (no interpretation required), Israel is NOT listed by C-24, responsible for monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960), as a colonial power holding no NSGTs. See the list: NSGTs List by C-24.

A/RES/37/43 (1982) Is just a frivolous table thumping.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

If the Hostile Arab Palestinians perform an unlawful --- how should it be addressed; what action taken?

It is interesting that with all of the accusations waged against the Palestinians, the UN has done nothing.

 

[USAF 2023]

If the Hostile Arab Palestinians perform an unlawful --- how should it be addressed; what action taken?

It is interesting that with all of the accusations waged against the Palestinians, the UN has done nothing.

Just like they did nothing about Egypt’s aggression in 67 or their impotence about the situation in Syria

 

[P F Tinmore]

the Arab-Israeli Conflict, as you can see for yourself (no interpretation required), Israel is NOT listed by C-24, responsible for monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960),

Perhaps it was a lack of due diligence in their investigations. Or that Israel was not listed for political reasons.

It does not change the facts though.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

So then, why would the UN say this? Did they just pull it out of their ass for the hell of it?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Who are the Palestinians? What are they doing? How do they live?

Dr. Hanan Ashrawi - Framing the Current Issues in Palestine
Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation - 16th International Conference

they are mud people

 

[rylah]

So then, why would the UN say this? Did they just pull it out of their ass for the hell of it?

Exactly!
More specifically as a tool to deflect from the war crimes, and violations of human rights committed by the specific member states who compose these resolutions.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Now, this is a most interesting observation. And it actually goes to evidence → as to why it is essential that there be an independent, distinct, and separate autonomous Jewish National Home.

While most of the UN Resolutions, are less than usefully than toilet paper, a number of conventions and protocols have emerged in the face of Arab Palestinian violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If the Hostile Arab Palestinians perform an unlawful → how should it be addressed; what action taken?

It is interesting that with all of the accusations waged against the Palestinians, the UN has done nothing.

(COMMENT)

The UN, for all the paper-pushed against Israel, and all the allegations and complaints made against it, absolutely no tangible economic, military or political move has been made against Israel; save by the Arab League under the color of law. In fact, this is not all that dissimilar to the reaction and support given by the world governments, the overall international community and national leaders of influence for the plight of the Jews in the years after the Great War and leading up to 1950.

It is important to note (in the 21st Century) that more than half of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts were heavily influenced, if not a direct result of, by Arab Palestinian attacks. Included are:

1. 1963 Convention on Offences and Certain Other Acts Committed On Board Aircraft
2. 1970 Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft
3. 1971 Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation
4. 1988 Protocol for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts of Violence at Airports Serving International Civil Aviation, supplementary to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation
6. 2010 Protocol Supplementary to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft
​

I mention these first few because it has only been recently (2016) that several international schools were lobbied to remove certain textbooks because they did not support Arab Palestinian Terrorism.

Arabs upset that Palestinian suicide bombings and airline hijackings are called "terrorism" in textbook
From Albawaba:

A private school in Doha has found itself in trouble after using textbooks that appear to feature Palestinians as their choice examples of “terrorism” - using the actions of Palestinian groups like the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) PLO and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) to discuss concepts like “hijacking” and “suicide vests”.

The debacle began when pictures of the textbook used at the International School of Choueifat in Doha were shared on social media websites, highlighting the controversial chapter in question

The Qatari Ministry of Education was quick to respond, with Doha News reporting that the textbook has been removed from the school.
Many saw the textbook as unfair propaganda against the Palestinian people, taking to Twitter to react to the news and ask their government to look for similar instances in other schools.
According to their website, the International School of Choueifat has schools in a number of Middle Eastern countries, but whether this scandal will cause the school to change its international policies is yet to be seen. As of now Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Jordan have forced the international school to withdraw the textbook from their teaching curriculum. Here are the parts of the book that caused such angst.

“Palestinian terrorists took over several airlines in 1970, including two American,
one Swiss and one British. They targeted American planes because they felt
the USA always helped out Israel, a country that occupies land that the
Palestinians claim is their own.
They wanted their own country – Palestine – and wanted land that Israel
occupies. Terrorist acts continue to this day in the Middle East.”
​

​

A number of countries in the Middle East, Persian Gulf and Arabian Seas nations still openly support terrorism, just as it was pointed out here in this case.

Why do I mention this? (RHETORICAL) Because it is important to note that the preponderance of the Regional Mentality thinks that it is appropriate to hijack commercial and private aircraft as a means to an end.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

“Palestinian terrorists took over several airlines in 1970, including two American,
one Swiss and one British. They targeted American planes because they felt
the USA always helped out Israel, a country that occupies land that the
Palestinians claim is their own.
They wanted their own country – Palestine – and wanted land that Israel
occupies. Terrorist acts continue to this day in the Middle East.”

It is never mentioned, of course, that the number one rule the Palestinians had was to not hurt anyone. And they didn't. All passengers and crew were released unharmed.

 

[Hollie]

“Palestinian terrorists took over several airlines in 1970, including two American,
one Swiss and one British. They targeted American planes because they felt
the USA always helped out Israel, a country that occupies land that the
Palestinians claim is their own.
They wanted their own country – Palestine – and wanted land that Israel
occupies. Terrorist acts continue to this day in the Middle East.”

It is never mentioned, of course, that the number one rule the Palestinians had was to not hurt anyone. And they didn't. All passengers and crew were released unharmed.

You might want to mention Leon Klinghoffer or the Munich Olympians.

It is not at all surprising or disturbing that you excuse the most brutal killings done by your islamic terrorist heroes.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, for crying out laud...

“Palestinian terrorists took over several airlines in 1970, including two American,
one Swiss and one British. They targeted American planes because they felt
the USA always helped out Israel, a country that occupies land that the
Palestinians claim is their own.
They wanted their own country – Palestine – and wanted land that Israel occupies
. Terrorist acts continue to this day in the Middle East.”

It is never mentioned, of course, that the number one rule the Palestinians had was to not hurt anyone. And they didn't. All passengers and crew were released unharmed.

(COMMENT)

I thought that I would select a few examples of Palestinian Hijackings that were not so lucky. All of these aircraft hijackings have something in common:

1. They were neither a US Flag Carrier - or - an Israeli Flag Carrier.
2. All of them were international terrorist attacks.
   
3. All of them involved fatalities inflicted by the terrorists.

• Switzerland (1970)
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) blew up a Swiss airliner just after it took off from Zurich (February 21, 1970), killing all 47 people on board.

• Tunisia (1974)
Abu Nidal (Sabri al-Banna) operatives hijacked a British Airlines DC-10 (November 23) flight from London. They seized the plane at Dubai and murdered a German passenger.

• Somalia (1977)
Four Palestinian terrorists hijack German Lufthansa Flight 181 (October 13) and eventually killed the plane's pilot.

• Egypt (1985)
Three Palestinian Abu Nidal Organization operatives hijacked Egypt Air Flight 648 from Athens to Cairo (November 23, 1985) there were 60 people killed.
​

We can always give examples of failed Palestinian terrorist attacks that were successfully resolved without casualties. That is not the point.

Even if every terrorist is killed in every terrorist attempt, the fear that you might be hijacked and killed on your next travel experience is always present. Oddly enough, the safest airline to fly is El Al .

Most Respectfully,
R