Palestine Today

[USAF 2023]

in July 1988, the Hashemite Kingdom abandon its sovereignty of the West Bank

You put this clunker in many posts.

Jordan never had sovereignty over the West Bank. It was occupied Palestinian territory. It is still occupied Palestinian territory.

It’s funny how we never heard of “ Occupation “ until after 1967 . I guess “ International Law” didn’t exist then

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Don't play stupid.

On one side there is western side it is sovereign Israeli territory • and on the other side (West Bank side) there is "effective control."

How can you have "sides" when there is no border?

(COMMENT)

The border is where Israel has determined it's sovereignty ends. It is protected and marked. That is a THE difference between what is real and what is Arab Palestinian fantasy.

Most Respectfully,
R

A line of goons with guns does not define an international border.

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Don't play stupid.

On one side there is western side it is sovereign Israeli territory • and on the other side (West Bank side) there is "effective control."

How can you have "sides" when there is no border?

(COMMENT)

The border is where Israel has determined it's sovereignty ends. It is protected and marked. That is a THE difference between what is real and what is Arab Palestinian fantasy.

Most Respectfully,
R

A line of goons with guns does not define an international border.

Since you say there are no

On one side there is western side it is sovereign Israeli territory • and on the other side (West Bank side) there is "effective control."

How can you have "sides" when there is no border?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Islamic Death Cult "cultural proclivities"

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well. that did not have an actual real-world impact. For more than three decades the citizens could travel on Jordanian Passports.

Jordan ruled over the West Bank from 1948 until 1967. Jordan's annexation was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom.[16][17]

(COMMENT)

As I have said many times, without regard to what the UN or the US might have preferred, Jordan DID annex the Old City → East Jerusalem → and the West Bank. Just as true, the Hashemite Kingdom cut all ties with these very same select territories, leaving these very same select territories → exclusively in the effective control of the Israelis.

NOW, there is this "legal fallacy" (an error in reasoning on the actual reality) wherein the official stance of → much of the international community DOES NOT RECOGNIZE Israeli sovereignty over territories known as the → Old City → East Jerusalem → and the West Bank → with the common intent that such annexations have no legal validity no matter where they occur.

But the actual reality is plain for all to see.

Palestinians have the right: (According to the UN.) To self-determination without external interference. To independence and sovereignty. To territorial integrity.

The violation of those rights by foreign powers do not negate those rights.

(COMMENT)

Fundamentally, positive rights require others to provide you with either a good or service. A negative right, on the other hand, only requires others to abstain from interfering with your actions. If we are free and equal by nature, and if we believe in negative rights, any positive rights would have to be grounded in consensual arrangements.

NEGATIVE RIGHTS

✪ If "sovereignty (etc)" is a negative right, then the "International community" has an obligation to keep Israelis from preventing Arab Palestinians from acquiring "sovereignty."

✪ If "personal wealth" is a negative right, then the "government" has an obligation to keep "COMPETITORS" from preventing ME from acquiring "personal wealth." I am allowed to work as hard and as much as I want in an pursuit of wealth; free from interference and discrimination.​

POSTIVE RIGHTS

✪ If "sovereignty (etc)" is a positive right, then the "government" has an obligation to provide it for the Arab Palestinian. The "government" must take the territory from one sovereign control and give it to "Arab Palestinian."

✪ If "personal wealth" is a positive right, then the "government" has an obligation to provide the wealth for the Arab Palestinian. The "government" must take the "wealth" from other people and give it to "Arab Palestinian." (Redistribution of Wealth)​

In the situation under "negative rights," there is a competitive nature and work involved. But in the situation of "positive right," there is no value assigned. It is the "On A Silver Platter" Rule.

√ The Difference between Postive Rights and Negative Rights.
√ Negative vs. Positive Rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well. that did not have an actual real-world impact. For more than three decades the citizens could travel on Jordanian Passports.

Jordan ruled over the West Bank from 1948 until 1967. Jordan's annexation was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom.[16][17]

(COMMENT)

As I have said many times, without regard to what the UN or the US might have preferred, Jordan DID annex the Old City → East Jerusalem → and the West Bank. Just as true, the Hashemite Kingdom cut all ties with these very same select territories, leaving these very same select territories → exclusively in the effective control of the Israelis.

NOW, there is this "legal fallacy" (an error in reasoning on the actual reality) wherein the official stance of → much of the international community DOES NOT RECOGNIZE Israeli sovereignty over territories known as the → Old City → East Jerusalem → and the West Bank → with the common intent that such annexations have no legal validity no matter where they occur.

But the actual reality is plain for all to see.

Palestinians have the right: (According to the UN.) To self-determination without external interference. To independence and sovereignty. To territorial integrity.

The violation of those rights by foreign powers do not negate those rights.

(COMMENT)

Fundamentally, positive rights require others to provide you with either a good or service. A negative right, on the other hand, only requires others to abstain from interfering with your actions. If we are free and equal by nature, and if we believe in negative rights, any positive rights would have to be grounded in consensual arrangements.

NEGATIVE RIGHTS

✪ If "sovereignty (etc)" is a negative right, then the "International community" has an obligation to keep Israelis from preventing Arab Palestinians from acquiring "sovereignty."

✪ If "personal wealth" is a negative right, then the "government" has an obligation to keep "COMPETITORS" from preventing ME from acquiring "personal wealth." I am allowed to work as hard and as much as I want in an pursuit of wealth; free from interference and discrimination.​

POSTIVE RIGHTS

✪ If "sovereignty (etc)" is a positive right, then the "government" has an obligation to provide it for the Arab Palestinian. The "government" must take the territory from one sovereign control and give it to "Arab Palestinian."

✪ If "personal wealth" is a positive right, then the "government" has an obligation to provide the wealth for the Arab Palestinian. The "government" must take the "wealth" from other people and give it to "Arab Palestinian." (Redistribution of Wealth)​

In the situation under "negative rights," there is a competitive nature and work involved. But in the situation of "positive right," there is no value assigned. It is the "On A Silver Platter" Rule.

√ The Difference between Postive Rights and Negative Rights.
√ Negative vs. Positive Rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

✪ If "sovereignty (etc)" is a negative right, then the "International community" has an obligation to keep Israelis from preventing Arab Palestinians from acquiring "sovereignty."

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

Then why all the fuss upon the mere mention of cuts to the welfare fraud payments?

Palestinians condemn Trump 'blackmail'

Palestinians condemn Trump threat to cut aid as 'blackmail'

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

Then why all the fuss upon the mere mention of cuts to the welfare fraud payments?

Palestinians condemn Trump 'blackmail'

Palestinians condemn Trump threat to cut aid as 'blackmail'

Different issue.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

Then why all the fuss upon the mere mention of cuts to the welfare fraud payments?

Palestinians condemn Trump 'blackmail'

Palestinians condemn Trump threat to cut aid as 'blackmail'

Different issue.

Deflection.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

Then why all the fuss upon the mere mention of cuts to the welfare fraud payments?

Palestinians condemn Trump 'blackmail'

Palestinians condemn Trump threat to cut aid as 'blackmail'

Different issue.

Deflection.

Aid addresses the symptom not the problem.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

Then why all the fuss upon the mere mention of cuts to the welfare fraud payments?

Palestinians condemn Trump 'blackmail'

Palestinians condemn Trump threat to cut aid as 'blackmail'

Different issue.

Deflection.

Aid addresses the symptom not the problem.

Islamic terrorism that continues with the benefit of a dedicated welfare fraud syndicate is the symptom of a much wider problem.

 

[RoccoR]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Shusha]

They will have to do a new edition.

K is for Kite. It makes us so happy to Kill forests and farms and animals and Jews.

 

[Hollie]

"D" is for Death Cult

 

[P F Tinmore]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, what a load of deflection!

 

[rylah]

lignedRE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH give me a break... That is all they do is make demands and establish requirements at others expense. Hell, what to you think the associate purpose of the "March of Return" by thousands and thousands of people that had never held the characteristic having been outside the country of his former habitual residence. Most of the marchers are below the age of fifty. In fact, if it wasn't for the demand that Arab Palestinians be given a special status as a unique refugee, the vast majority of which would not be eligible for refugee status.

Most of the Arab Palestinians acquired a new nationality (State of Palestine), and fell under the protection of the country of their new nationality.

The Palestinians are not asking anyone to "give" them anything.

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian ARE NOT people under subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights. On the contrary, the Arab Palestinian intentionally attempt to create an atmosphere of turbulent violence; and people the incite disturbances for the sake of feeding violent frenzies as a means of inducing effective and credible political and economic blackmail. They are the people that set the conditions for Peace Initiatives to fail and then blame the Israelis for the false start.

They are a people that use donor nation funding to stipends to terrorists, and shifting money to provide direct support to the activities of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. And then they have the nerve to tell the US that our reduction in discretionary donations and foreign aid are creating a humanitarian crisis.

I know (everybody knows) that Israel does not have totally clean hands (hell the US does not have totally clean hands); but, the hands of the Israelis (and the US as their Alled Power) are pristine in comparison to the blood-soaked hands of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, what a load of deflection!

You lost the moment You brought up a UN resolution.