PA House Introduces a Resolution: The Election Process Shall Be Declared Improper.

[meaner gene]

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.

What would be the result if this passed?

Really not much. Because it's up to congress to determine to accept or reject the EC votes, and 3 USC 15 requires that both house agree to reject the votes, otherwise they are counted. With the house and senate of opposite parties, there will be no agreement, hence no rejection of the votes.

If the sec of state / governor withdraw the certification, then PA loses it's 20 electoral votes completely, meaning Biden wins 286 to 232, with 260 needed to win.

So the final effect of this legislation is nothing will change, except PA will lose it's representatives in the house until a new election can be scheduled.

 

[Toro]

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.

What would be the result if this passed?

Really no much. Because it's up to congress to determine to accept or reject the EC votes, and 3 USC 15 requires that both house agree to reject the votes, otherwise they are counted. With the house and senate of opposite parties, there will be no agreement, hence no rejection of the votes.

If the sec of state / governor withdraw the certification, then PA loses it's 20 electoral votes completely, meaning Biden wins 286 to 232, with 260 needed to win.

So the final effect of this legislation is nothing will change, except PA will lose it's representatives in the house until a new election can be scheduled.

Which isn't going to happen.

As I understand it, the legislature does not have the power to change the rules retroactively.

It could only be on future elections.

 

[Dr Grump]

you see # 147,,,

See #306

View attachment 422302

Funny thing is, when you look at that map it reminds me of election day. At the beginning of the day during the first few hours of the count Biden was winning Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Florida and Iowa. Yet as the day went on, and they started counting the counties that were heavy with Trump voters they overtook Biden and Trump got those states. Don't hear any 'fraud' whining from the Dems on that one.

 

[progressive hunter]

you see # 147,,,

See #306

View attachment 422302

Funny thing is, when you look at that map it reminds me of election day. At the beginning of the day during the first few hours of the count Biden was winning Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Florida and Iowa. Yet as the day went on, and they started counting the counties that were heavy with Trump voters they overtook Biden and Trump got those states. Don't hear any 'fraud' whining from the Dems on that one.

funny when I look at it it reveals itself to be what it is,,,\

FAKE!!!

 

[Toro]

funny when I look at it it reveals itself to be what it is,,,\

FAKE!!!

Of course you think that.

Because cult.

 

[progressive hunter]

funny when I look at it it reveals itself to be what it is,,,\

FAKE!!!

Of course you think that.

Because cult.

well it doesnt have a link to back it up and the info in it is not the final count and therefor false,,,

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

BETTER GET USED TO IT, ZIPPY until the election is OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY called for one candidate or the other!

*and forever after, because you cultists are completely detached from reality. Stop lying to people and telling them you are going to accept the results in the courts or when the election results are official. We know you won't. We know you are lying. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Dr Grump]

you see # 147,,,

See #306

View attachment 422302

Funny thing is, when you look at that map it reminds me of election day. At the beginning of the day during the first few hours of the count Biden was winning Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Florida and Iowa. Yet as the day went on, and they started counting the counties that were heavy with Trump voters they overtook Biden and Trump got those states. Don't hear any 'fraud' whining from the Dems on that one.

funny when I look at it it reveals itself to be what it is,,,\

FAKE!!!

Of course it is 《pats PH on the head and gives him a cookie 》

 

[Norman]

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.

What would be the result if this passed?

Really not much. Because it's up to congress to determine to accept or reject the EC votes, and 3 USC 15 requires that both house agree to reject the votes, otherwise they are counted. With the house and senate of opposite parties, there will be no agreement, hence no rejection of the votes.

If the sec of state / governor withdraw the certification, then PA loses it's 20 electoral votes completely, meaning Biden wins 286 to 232, with 260 needed to win.

So the final effect of this legislation is nothing will change, except PA will lose it's representatives in the house until a new election can be scheduled.

What you stated is as good for Trump as winning PA.

Then Georgia and Arizona or Michigan...

Does not sound very honest to not realize that. It's like asking "what's the point for Trump to win this state?" Duh... They are also calling for other states to do the same.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Patience, child. These things take time.

You guys are running out of time.

That’s why this thread is about a last ditch effort to change electors by legislation.

Plan A should have been to get more votes. That didn’t work out.
Plan B was to win in court to prove fraud. That’s a dumpster fire.

This is a Hail Mary.

a hail mary can work.

this shit show is a simple extension of the grifting and conning of the troll in chief.

 

[progressive hunter]

funny when I look at it it reveals itself to be what it is,,,\

FAKE!!!

Of course you think that.

Because cult.

well it doesnt have a link to back it up and the info in it is not the final count and therefor false,,,

Sock troll intentionally says dumb things for attention

yes you do,,,

thats why you just trolled me and said NOTHING on the topic,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Patience, child. These things take time.

You guys are running out of time.

That’s why this thread is about a last ditch effort to change electors by legislation.

Plan A should have been to get more votes. That didn’t work out.
Plan B was to win in court to prove fraud. That’s a dumpster fire.

This is a Hail Mary.

a hail mary can work.

this shit show is a simple extension of the grifting and conning of the troll in chief.

I was thinking about extending the metaphor to needing multiple Hail Marys in a row.

 

[meaner gene]

Which isn't going to happen.

As I understand it, the legislature does not have the power to change the rules retroactively.

It could only be on future elections.

The state legislation is in charge of it's elections and it's electors. They chose to give the selection of those electors to the voters. They can not override that retroactively. But as the USSC has said, the voters have no right to vote for electors, and the legislature being ultimately in charge, could decide to withdraw or decertify its electors.

In short PA could screw itself, but it won't upset the presidential election.

 

[dudmuck]

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.

What would be the result if this passed?

Really not much. Because it's up to congress to determine to accept or reject the EC votes, and 3 USC 15 requires that both house agree to reject the votes, otherwise they are counted. With the house and senate of opposite parties, there will be no agreement, hence no rejection of the votes.

If the sec of state / governor withdraw the certification, then PA loses it's 20 electoral votes completely, meaning Biden wins 286 to 232, with 260 needed to win.

So the final effect of this legislation is nothing will change, except PA will lose it's representatives in the house until a new election can be scheduled.

What you stated is as good for Trump as winning PA.

Then Georgia and Arizona or Michigan...

Does not sound very honest to not realize that. It's like asking "what's the point for Trump to win this state?" Duh... They are also calling for other states to do the same.

its only a resolution, as in nonbinding nothingburger

more importantly,

In fresh blow to Trump, U.S. court rejects Pennsylvania election case

A federal appeals court on Friday rejected an attempt by U.S. President Donald Trump's campaign to block President-elect Joe Biden from being declared the winner of Pennsylvania, dealing another significant setback to Trump's bid to overturn the Nov. 3 election.

www.reuters.com

No oral arguments, 3 judge panel all (R) appointed, the scanting opinion was written by a judge appointed by Trump.

 

[justinacolmena]

They chose to give the selection of those electors to the voters.

Unfortunately the voters in question were not the ones entitled by the laws of that state to vote; whereas the vote of citizens properly entitled by law to vote, were discarded and disregarded.

They can not override that retroactively.

The legislature can make a finding that fraud occurred, and pass a resolution in favor of redressing the fraud that did occur.

 

[meaner gene]

What you stated is as good for Trump as winning PA.

Then Georgia and Arizona or Michigan...

Does not sound very honest to not realize that. It's like asking "what's the point for Trump to win this state?" Duh... They are also calling for other states to do the same.

What you didn't grasp is that PA would lose it's 20 electors, they would not go to Trump. And Biden could therefore lose up to 73 total electors, and still win.
PA, WI, MI, Ga and AZ only add up to 67

 

[Norman]

What you stated is as good for Trump as winning PA.

Then Georgia and Arizona or Michigan...

Does not sound very honest to not realize that. It's like asking "what's the point for Trump to win this state?" Duh... They are also calling for other states to do the same.

What you didn't grasp is that PA would lose it's 20 electors, they would not go to Trump. And Biden could therefore lose up to 73 total electors, and still win.
PA, WI, MI, Ga and AZ only add up to 67

Biden has to get to 270...

 

[meaner gene]

The legislature can make a finding that fraud occurred, and pass a resolution in favor of redressing the fraud that did occur.

They can invalidate their election.

Which mean they don't send any electors. That isn't a path to victory for Trump. Since Biden can lose PA, MI, WI, AZ and GA, and still win.

 

[L.K.Eder]

What you stated is as good for Trump as winning PA.

Then Georgia and Arizona or Michigan...

Does not sound very honest to not realize that. It's like asking "what's the point for Trump to win this state?" Duh... They are also calling for other states to do the same.

What you didn't grasp is that PA would lose it's 20 electors, they would not go to Trump. And Biden could therefore lose up to 73 total electors, and still win.
PA, WI, MI, Ga and AZ only add up to 67

Biden has to get to 270...

this is vegetable-like "reasoning". you should lead the next kraken release.

 

[meaner gene]

What you didn't grasp is that PA would lose it's 20 electors, they would not go to Trump. And Biden could therefore lose up to 73 total electors, and still win.
PA, WI, MI, Ga and AZ only add up to 67

Biden has to get to 270...

Read the 12th amendment. Biden has to get a majority of the appointed electors. If PA doesn't appoint its 20 electors, the number of appointed electors drops from 538 to 512, and the number needed to win drops from 270 to 260.