Owens vs Hoffman - NY23 (Live Results)

[Modbert]

I was mostly accurate. Which is more than you can say Patek.

And Midnight, I would say it would go for Owens mostly. Hoffman wasn't good enough to get that 5.5% in the first place. It's because of the Republican Moderates that Hoffman lost.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I was mostly accurate. Which is more than you can say Patek.

And Midnight, I would say it would go for Owens mostly. Hoffman wasn't good enough to get that 5.5% in the first place. It's because of the Republican Moderates that Hoffman lost.

That remains to be seen. The whole area is pretty moderate, lots of Indys there.

I would have liked to have seen a runoff. Just a straight up one on one.

 

[Modbert]

That remains to be seen. The whole area is pretty moderate, lots of Indys there.

I would have liked to have seen a runoff. Just a straight up one on one.

Owens would of still likely had won. I would doubt that anything would of majorly changed.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

That remains to be seen. The whole area is pretty moderate, lots of Indys there.

I would have liked to have seen a runoff. Just a straight up one on one.

Owens would of still likely had won. I would doubt that anything would of majorly changed.

We shall never majorly know what "would of" happened.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I was mostly accurate. Which is more than you can say Patek.

And Midnight, I would say it would go for Owens mostly. Hoffman wasn't good enough to get that 5.5% in the first place. It's because of the Republican Moderates that Hoffman lost.

Mostly accurate only counts in Horseshoes, with hand grenades and nuclear war. I called Va and NJ governors races wins for the reps. I could care less about the other races.

and I also support a system of checks and balances....it's a good thing and there will be many more defeats for the Democrats coming very soon.....many more until the proper balance is obtained.

 

[Meister]

I was mostly accurate. Which is more than you can say Patek.

And Midnight, I would say it would go for Owens mostly. Hoffman wasn't good enough to get that 5.5% in the first place. It's because of the Republican Moderates that Hoffman lost.

Mostly accurate only counts in Horseshoes, with hand grenades and nuclear war. I called Va and NJ governors races wins for the reps. I could care less about the other races.

and I also support a system of checks and balances....it's a good thing and there will be many more defeats for the Democrats coming very soon.....many more until the proper balance is obtained.

Hey, you only have to be close with napalm, too.

 

[Ravi]

I like the way this turned out. The right wing crazies lost. Palin's boy lost to a Democrat no less.

Maybe Palin is the new kiss of death.

 

[Toro]

Losing NY-23 is not a victory for conservatives

If Hoffman does win, that is a victory. But if he loses, forcing out a moderate in a district that has voted Republican for 119 years is not a victory, no matter which way you cut it.

However, it will embolden conservatives into believing "It was a last minute thing. Nobody knew him. The RNC was against him from the start." And they will challenge other moderates in otherwise winnable seats, which will be nothing but a boon for the Democrats in 2010. The conservatives will cut off the party's nose to spite its face.

Unless he wins. Then it is a win.

i thought the repub candidate withdrew on her own?

i really haven't been paying much attention, but if she was forced out, i concur with you.

She had no chance, so she withdrew.

To be fair to the conservatives, she was pretty liberal. However, the message will resonate in the party. I read last night that conservative activists are already targeting a dozen or so moderate Republican sitting Congressmen. Many of those are in swing districts. That will hurt, not help the Republicans. The Democrats are going to lose seats in 2010. Moving hard to the right will mean the Republicans winning 20 or 30 instead of maybe 50 or 60.

 

[Toro]

Thats what the left is now as well...extremists.

pelosi...Reid...obama

these are moderates to you?

The difference is that the liberal wing is not forcing out candidates who do not meet an ideological litmus test.

The Democrats gained seats in 2006 and 2008 running moderates and even conservatives. The Democrat party is moving towards the center, occupying a vacuum being created by the Republicans being forced to the right by their base.

 

[EriktheRed]

I like the way this turned out. The right wing crazies lost. Palin's boy lost to a Democrat no less.

Maybe Palin is the new kiss of death.

Yes, it is nice to see that the folks of NY-23 were smart enough to not elect a carpetbagging teabagger.

 

[Toro]

Except I'm not. He's a moderate. And I do hope the Republicans continue to drive them out of their party. Because it only shrinks their tent to the point where they can no longer win. Be the extremist party, it's a hoot.

Nonsense.

BOTH "tents" are really pretty tiny compared to the Indy and Moderate voters out there.

According to GALLUP :
40% conservative
37% Independent
20% Liberal

Now look further into your poll.

The Democrats have more moderates and conservatives than Republicans have moderates and liberals. And most independents are either moderates or liberals. Moving the Republican party to the right is a losing strategy as long as the Democrats occupy the center.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Fox News calls it for Owens. WTG Newt! What a blunder.

Not Newt's fault.

The 5+ % to Scozzafava is the real spoiler - which was a danger given the dynamics of the race.

Hoffman was a distant third just a few weeks back. A remarkable surge in the final week, but it appears he ran out of time, and suffered from a bit of Scozzafava loyalty.

Still a remarkable development in an otherwise little-watched political race, and when taken with the two more significant wins in New Jersey and Virginia, a good night for American conservatives.

The Hoffman race will tighten though in the next 15 - 20 minutes - though not quite enough...

and who was the spoiler in NJ?

 

[Jennifer.Bush]

Fox News calls it for Owens. WTG Newt! What a blunder.

Not Newt's fault.

The 5+ % to Scozzafava is the real spoiler - which was a danger given the dynamics of the race.

Hoffman was a distant third just a few weeks back. A remarkable surge in the final week, but it appears he ran out of time, and suffered from a bit of Scozzafava loyalty.

Still a remarkable development in an otherwise little-watched political race, and when taken with the two more significant wins in New Jersey and Virginia, a good night for American conservatives.

The Hoffman race will tighten though in the next 15 - 20 minutes though - though not quite enough...

yeah, it's tough to **** up a seat that you've held for 100+ years.

remarkable, in fact.

plz stop it, this district voted for obama so knock it off

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do Libruls not know that Conservative and Republican are two different parties?

The Third Party Candidate came within 4% of winning a congressional Seat, had it been a Green Party Candidate coming that close the LMSM would be crowing his success and saying, like we are now, the Main Parties better take notice.

I said in another post that Libruls would be out ******* the neighborhood goats if a Green Party candidate ever came that close but I realize that would only increase their carbon footprint so they might only dry hump the goat

 

[bodecea]

Hey if the Republicans lose this seat they have no one to blame but themselves. How could they have run Scozzafava as their candidate in the first place? What a blunder. The Republican Leadership is completely out of touch at this point. Stop giving us more frauds like Arlen Spector,Lindsey Graham,John McCain,George Bush,and Scozzafava. I hope they get this message. Win or Lose they better get this message soon.

Um, she's not running any more.

 

[Jennifer.Bush]

Do Libruls not know that Conservative and Republican are two different parties?

The Third Party Candidate came within 4% of winning a congressional Seat, had it been a Green Party Candidate coming that close the LMSM would be crowing his success and saying, like we are now, the Main Parties better take notice.

I said in another post that Libruls would be out ******* the neighborhood goats if a Green Party candidate ever came that close but I realize that would only increase their carbon footprint so they might only dry hump the goat

the man was unknown until sarah and others backed him late in the game
hopefully it will show that primaries need to be held, stop hand picking noms!!!

 

[bodecea]

Losing NY-23 is not a victory for conservatives

If Hoffman does win, that is a victory. But if he loses, forcing out a moderate in a district that has voted Republican for 119 years is not a victory, no matter which way you cut it.

However, it will embolden conservatives into believing "It was a last minute thing. Nobody knew him. The RNC was against him from the start." And they will challenge other moderates in otherwise winnable seats, which will be nothing but a boon for the Democrats in 2010. The conservatives will cut off the party's nose to spite its face.

Unless he wins. Then it is a win.

i thought the repub candidate withdrew on her own?

i really haven't been paying much attention, but if she was forced out, i concur with you.

She had no chance, so she withdrew.

To be fair to the conservatives, she was pretty liberal. However, the message will resonate in the party. I read last night that conservative activists are already targeting a dozen or so moderate Republican sitting Congressmen. Many of those are in swing districts. That will hurt, not help the Republicans. The Democrats are going to lose seats in 2010. Moving hard to the right will mean the Republicans winning 20 or 30 instead of maybe 50 or 60.

I certainly hope they do that.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Seems like a mixed bag for both parties last night.

Virginia's loss for Democrats can be mitigated a little by pointing out the history of the state. Virginia tends to go opposite the White House anyways. Under Clinton it had Republican Governors, under Bush it had Democrats. So under Obama it will have "R's". It is a bit troubling for Democrats because Virginia was a key part of why Obama had the nomination locked by 8 o'clock on election day. If Virginia is truly flipping Blue, it makes 2012 harder. Not impossible by any stretch, but harder.

New Jersey only looks bad because it was part of a sweep. There have been so many corruption scandals in NJ that if the Democrat had won, that would have been a real result. Anyone surprised the "R" candidate carried the day there hasn't paid attention to New Jersey in years. Corruption is the single fastest path to party change. That election is a local one.

NY23 is a good sign for Democrats, and a bad one for Republicans. NY23 should have been an easy "R" pick up. It was an "R" seat for years, and was vacated by an "R" Representative. Instead, the Teabagger wing screwed the pooch. Its also troubling for the GOP because its yet another Sarah Palin loss. Sarah bet the farm on NY23 and still lost.

That confirms my opinion on Sarah. She's insane enough that folks cross party lines to stop her. As running mate she couldn't help McCain hold the VERY Red state Indiana or South Carolina, and in NY she helped botch a solid "R" seat. Go Sarah. I really hope she runs for PotUS in 2012.

There's of course going to be spinning on both sides now, but all in all, both sides have reasons to be concerned.

 

[Meister]

Hoffman did lose to a district that went to Obama last year. The district had been republican district, but it does look like the dynamics of it was swinging toward being more liberal.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Deval Patrick is the first Dem Governor of Massachusetts in nearly 20 years.

*Waits for a Republican to throw in the "It's because he's black" comment.*

Once again race is first brought forward by the left. I myself had no clue and never thought about what color the man might be. And still could care less.