Over 16.9 million people now carry guns for self-defense...and our crime rates went down...

[Skull Pilot]

and as I have said repeatedly we lock up the wrong people. Prison should be for violent pieces of shit. non-violent pieces of shit should get some sort of alternate sentencing

They do, it's called minimum security prison.

As you know well too, persons arrested for simple possession of drugs are offered Drug Court. It started in Miami Florida and is now offered in all fifty states.

National Criminal Justice Reference Service

And we still lock up too many non-violent criminals which is why violent felons don't serve the time they should

 

[JoeB131]

And a look at those congressmen who were victims of the bernie sanders supporter....

You mean the guys who kept voting to let crazy people have access to guns are upset that a crazy person with a gun shot at them?

 

[JoeB131]

That is not true. In fact, as you know, the violent crime rate in the United States is far lower than most of Western Europe along with Australia.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Not really. The problem with these kinds of statistics is that not every country counts crime the same way. The UK counts assault as anyone taking a swing at anyone else, while in the US

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

 

[Skull Pilot]

That is not true. In fact, as you know, the violent crime rate in the United States is far lower than most of Western Europe along with Australia.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Not really. The problem with these kinds of statistics is that not every country counts crime the same way. The UK counts assault as anyone taking a swing at anyone else, while in the US

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

And the UK counts as murder only those homicides that end up with a conviction after a trial yet you use the murder rate of the UK as a comparison all the time

 

[Julielikespolitics]

Crime rates went down regardless of gun possession

If people feel the need to protect themselves they can and by doing that it causes less people to attack. If you are a legal gun owner and can carry it may deter somebody with just a knife from robbing you or assaulting you.

 

[Julielikespolitics]

Crime rates have gone down in the past without increased gun possession..

You have a right to dial 911 and wait for the police to eventually show up and possibly shoot you instead.

Crime rates went down regardless of gun possession

You have a right to dial 911 and wait for the police to possibly shoot you instead.

Another wasted post..

You brute.

I have a lieutenant of the sheriff's department that lives on a farm 3/4 of a mile down the road, but I won't need him, I know how to deal with anyone that feels the need to do anything wrong on my farm..So do my 11 dogs....and my 15 year old son who has a nine millimeter pistol..Cops really aren't the answer, combat training is...

So you have a gun in your house? Then why is it so wrong for more people to protect themselves with guns and deter criminals from committing more crimes?

 

[2aguy]

And a look at those congressmen who were victims of the bernie sanders supporter....

You mean the guys who kept voting to let crazy people have access to guns are upset that a crazy person with a gun shot at them?

No one voted to let the dangerously mentally ill to have guns...but thanks for lying......***** at the ACLU and the 23 other mental health groups who said you are stupid....

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

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The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

 

[2aguy]

That is not true. In fact, as you know, the violent crime rate in the United States is far lower than most of Western Europe along with Australia.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Not really. The problem with these kinds of statistics is that not every country counts crime the same way. The UK counts assault as anyone taking a swing at anyone else, while in the US

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

Gun crime up 23% all across Britain...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns. Knife crime has also jumped by 20% to 34,703 incidents – the highest level for seven years. The largest increase in knife crime came in London, which accounted for 40% of the rise.

Gun crime up 42% in London....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
===

Violent crime up through the roof all over Britain...

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

That is not true. In fact, as you know, the violent crime rate in the United States is far lower than most of Western Europe along with Australia.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Not really. The problem with these kinds of statistics is that not every country counts crime the same way. The UK counts assault as anyone taking a swing at anyone else, while in the US

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

Dipshit.....you should actually read the link.......the link he posts and that you cite shows Britain is more violent than the U.S.....

this is also from the link, moron....

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it,

but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people. While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.

 

[JoeB131]

And the UK counts as murder only those homicides that end up with a conviction after a trial yet you use the murder rate of the UK as a comparison all the time

No, it doesn't stop wasting my time with NRA propaganda.

Gun crime up 23% all across Britain...

23% of near nothing is really not impressive, 2TinyGuy.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And the UK counts as murder only those homicides that end up with a conviction after a trial yet you use the murder rate of the UK as a comparison all the time

No, it doesn't stop wasting my time with NRA propaganda.

Gun crime up 23% all across Britain...

23% of near nothing is really not impressive, 2TinyGuy.

So this document from the House of Commons is NRA propaganda?

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

and I quote

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction,

 

[2aguy]

And the UK counts as murder only those homicides that end up with a conviction after a trial yet you use the murder rate of the UK as a comparison all the time

No, it doesn't stop wasting my time with NRA propaganda.

Gun crime up 23% all across Britain...

23% of near nothing is really not impressive, 2TinyGuy.

A an island nation, that banned guns for law abiding people is experiencing an increase in gun crimes.....gun control for normal people does not stop criminals or mass shooters.......as Britian is showing.......and it went uo 42% in London....a city with more street level security cameras than just about anywhere else in the world....

While we show the opposite...normal, law abiding gun owners, carrying guns, does not increase gun crime of any kind...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

 

[bodecea]

Here is a look at the new numbers for concealed carry in this country. While more Americans have decided to protect themselves by carrying a gun, this has not resulted in more crime....demonstrating in cold hard numbers that law abiding people, not only owning guns, but actually carrying them, does not increase the gun crime rate, the gun murder rate or the violent crime rate. In fact, many studies show that law abiding people carrying guns for self defense helps to lower the crime rate.......

America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

At the same time that carry permits have increased at an astonishing rate, violent crime has decreased, and concealed-carry permit holders remain remarkably law-abiding. From 2007 to 2015, murder rates decreased by 12.5 percent and “overall violent crime fell by 18 percent.” At the same time, “the percentage of adults with permits soared by 190 percent.” And yet despite that growth, available data still indicate that permit holders are substantially more law-abiding than the police. For example, using data from Florida and Texas, Lott found that “permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth of the rate for police officers.” 00:57U.S. bans citizens from visiting North Korea

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Simply put, American culture is changing from the ground up, and if present trends continue the gun-control debate will be settled by the sheer number of weapons in law-abiding hands. To borrow the Left’s language, it looks like the arc of history is bending, and it’s bending toward an armed citizenry.
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It’s always interesting to see data merge with observed experience. The independent, courageous, responsible reality I see with my own eyes is reflected not just in statistics showing that permit holders are extraordinarily law-abiding but also in the repeated incidents where they come to the aid of friends and neighbors in need. More permit-holders do not lead to more gun crime. They do, however, mean more help and protection for the innocent and the vulnerable.

Read more at: America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

Read more at: America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

Read more at: America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

Good. I strongly recommend women and minorities in particular to become educated in gun safety, buy guns and even get their CC permits.

 

[2aguy]

Here is a look at the new numbers for concealed carry in this country. While more Americans have decided to protect themselves by carrying a gun, this has not resulted in more crime....demonstrating in cold hard numbers that law abiding people, not only owning guns, but actually carrying them, does not increase the gun crime rate, the gun murder rate or the violent crime rate. In fact, many studies show that law abiding people carrying guns for self defense helps to lower the crime rate.......

America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

At the same time that carry permits have increased at an astonishing rate, violent crime has decreased, and concealed-carry permit holders remain remarkably law-abiding. From 2007 to 2015, murder rates decreased by 12.5 percent and “overall violent crime fell by 18 percent.” At the same time, “the percentage of adults with permits soared by 190 percent.” And yet despite that growth, available data still indicate that permit holders are substantially more law-abiding than the police. For example, using data from Florida and Texas, Lott found that “permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth of the rate for police officers.” 00:57U.S. bans citizens from visiting North Korea

-----
Simply put, American culture is changing from the ground up, and if present trends continue the gun-control debate will be settled by the sheer number of weapons in law-abiding hands. To borrow the Left’s language, it looks like the arc of history is bending, and it’s bending toward an armed citizenry.
------

It’s always interesting to see data merge with observed experience. The independent, courageous, responsible reality I see with my own eyes is reflected not just in statistics showing that permit holders are extraordinarily law-abiding but also in the repeated incidents where they come to the aid of friends and neighbors in need. More permit-holders do not lead to more gun crime. They do, however, mean more help and protection for the innocent and the vulnerable.

Read more at: America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

Read more at: America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

Read more at: America Is Changing — One Carry Permit at a Time

Good. I strongly recommend women and minorities in particular to become educated in gun safety, buy guns and even get their CC permits.

Good for you.....even a dumb left winger like you can learn something....

 

[charwin95]

Crime rates have gone down in the past without increased gun possession..

But that isn't the argument you guys make...

You anti gunners tell us that if more people own more guns there will be more gun crime and there will be blood in the streets........

The actual stats show you are completely wrong.....

Law abiding people with guns do not cause violent crime, or gun crime.......the entire premise of your anti gun beliefs is shown to be a lie.....

Chicago has so much guns with so many people getting killed by guns. So you are wrong. That is correct more guns more crimes.
As I told you repeatedly------- You assumed that all gun owners are responsible citizens. Your only goal is to flood this country with more guns so you can make more money. Disgusting.

Do me a favor stop sending those nonsense link supporting your agenda.

Nothing you posted is true........the problem in Chicago isn't normal, law abiding people carrying guns......the problem is a 2,000 officer shortage in Chicago Police, an 80% reduction in stops by police, and a reluctance by police to address known gang members...added to that is a less than 3 year sentence, often sent to boot camps, for repeat, violent gun offenders........that is the problem...also, the gangs have too many aldermen in their pockets who vote against police getting the resources they need......

And the truth....more guns = less crime.......as 21 years show...and growing numbers of gun owners show....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

Here is the problem Guy.

On several separate threads. You plugged into so much lies like most of Trump supporters here. Never ending lies. As an example which I just blasted you about immigrant/ H2B visa.

So what made you think whatever you are posting here has any credibility?
Also some of your links are pro gun media.


Latest Crime Statistics Released — FBI

 

[charwin95]

Chicago has so much guns with so many people getting killed by guns. So you are wrong. That is correct more guns more crimes.
As I told you repeatedly------- You assumed that all gun owners are responsible citizens. Your only goal is to flood this country with more guns so you can make more money. Disgusting.

Do me a favor stop sending those nonsense link supporting your agenda.

Is English a second language for you?

Chicago punishes law abiding gun owners as opposed to criminals. Do you think they go to gun stores, gun shows?

No one has said that all gun owners are responsible citizens. The vast majority of law abiding citizens who own guns are responsible citizens.

Simply look at the cities with the highest crime and murder rates to find those with the harshest gun laws and cities run by Progressives for decades.

Criminals buy them from gun shows loopholes.

 

[2aguy]

Crime rates have gone down in the past without increased gun possession..

But that isn't the argument you guys make...

You anti gunners tell us that if more people own more guns there will be more gun crime and there will be blood in the streets........

The actual stats show you are completely wrong.....

Law abiding people with guns do not cause violent crime, or gun crime.......the entire premise of your anti gun beliefs is shown to be a lie.....

Chicago has so much guns with so many people getting killed by guns. So you are wrong. That is correct more guns more crimes.
As I told you repeatedly------- You assumed that all gun owners are responsible citizens. Your only goal is to flood this country with more guns so you can make more money. Disgusting.

Do me a favor stop sending those nonsense link supporting your agenda.

Nothing you posted is true........the problem in Chicago isn't normal, law abiding people carrying guns......the problem is a 2,000 officer shortage in Chicago Police, an 80% reduction in stops by police, and a reluctance by police to address known gang members...added to that is a less than 3 year sentence, often sent to boot camps, for repeat, violent gun offenders........that is the problem...also, the gangs have too many aldermen in their pockets who vote against police getting the resources they need......

And the truth....more guns = less crime.......as 21 years show...and growing numbers of gun owners show....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

Here is the problem Guy.

On several separate threads. You plugged into so much lies like most of Trump supporters here. Never ending lies. As an example which I just blasted you about immigrant/ H2B visa.

So what made you think whatever you are posting here has any credibility?
Also some of your links are pro gun media.


Latest Crime Statistics Released — FBI

When has Pew been pro gun......and the Crime prevention research link simply counted legal permit holders.....since those are available records......so there are even more people carrying guns since about 12 states let you carry without a permit.....

 

[2aguy]

Chicago has so much guns with so many people getting killed by guns. So you are wrong. That is correct more guns more crimes.
As I told you repeatedly------- You assumed that all gun owners are responsible citizens. Your only goal is to flood this country with more guns so you can make more money. Disgusting.

Do me a favor stop sending those nonsense link supporting your agenda.

Is English a second language for you?

Chicago punishes law abiding gun owners as opposed to criminals. Do you think they go to gun stores, gun shows?

No one has said that all gun owners are responsible citizens. The vast majority of law abiding citizens who own guns are responsible citizens.

Simply look at the cities with the highest crime and murder rates to find those with the harshest gun laws and cities run by Progressives for decades.

Criminals buy them from gun shows loopholes.

No...criminals do not buy them from gun show loopholes...criminals buy them from friends and family....people who can legally buy guns by passing background checks...or they get them from other criminals who got them from friends and family or stole them...

 

[JoeB131]

So this document from the House of Commons is NRA propaganda?

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

and I quote

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction,

I noticed you tried to pull a fast one here. Okay, here's the WHOLE senetnce from your source.

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent.

So a whopping 13% difference in the official number and the best number.

Now, there were two categories here, self defense and non-convictions. The thing is, the latter category is actually pretty small.

While one third of American homicides remain unsolved, the murder resolution rate in the UK is actually pretty high.

So again- 600 Homicides in the UK compared to 16,000 in the US?

We're doing it wrong.

 

[2aguy]

So this document from the House of Commons is NRA propaganda?

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

and I quote

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction,

I noticed you tried to pull a fast one here. Okay, here's the WHOLE senetnce from your source.

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent.

So a whopping 13% difference in the official number and the best number.

Now, there were two categories here, self defense and non-convictions. The thing is, the latter category is actually pretty small.

While one third of American homicides remain unsolved, the murder resolution rate in the UK is actually pretty high.

So again- 600 Homicides in the UK compared to 16,000 in the US?

We're doing it wrong.

Wrong...according to the FBI for 2015 there were 9,616 gun homicides.....of those 70-80% were criminals murdering other criminals. Of the remaining 20% a good number of those are friends and family of the criminals.

And on the other end...Americans use guns to stop murder, rape and robbery 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....