Ordering Americans To Buy $50 Lightbulbs

[Ravi]

IIRC, both Dems and Republicans overwhelmingly voted this into law and Dubya signed it.

What we have left is a lot of hysteria and outright falsehoods about light bulbs.

Here's a short discussion.

Dispelling Myths about the Federal Light Bulb Standard*|*MEEA Unplugged

You don't mind your gov telling you what kinds of bulbs to use...as long as it's bipartisan?

No one is stopping me from making my own lightbulbs.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Citizens/Consumers should always decide this stuff. Choosing which kind of Bulb you want to use should not involve the Government in any way. Its just not a Government issue. The more i read about this,the more i'm shocked so few are outraged over this. This is terrible Government abuse of power in my opinion. Why are so many so willing to just give all their Freedom & Liberty away? I just don't get it.

 

[Big Fitz]

IIRC, both Dems and Republicans overwhelmingly voted this into law and Dubya signed it.

What we have left is a lot of hysteria and outright falsehoods about light bulbs.

Here's a short discussion.

Dispelling Myths about the Federal Light Bulb Standard*|*MEEA Unplugged

You don't mind your gov telling you what kinds of bulbs to use...as long as it's bipartisan?

No one is stopping me from making my own lightbulbs.

Ask the Chinese how backyard steel worked out for them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

NEW YORK – Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January.

Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect.

The new bulbs will also be expensive — about $50 each — so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs.

The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

To encourage energy efficiency, Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals, starting in 2012. Conventional light bulbs don't meet those goals, so the law will prohibit making or importing them. The same rule will start apply to remaining bulbs 40 watts and above in 2014. Since January, California has already banned stores from restocking 100-watt incandescent bulbs.
LED bulbs hit 100 watts as federal ban looms - Yahoo! News

So...exactly which part of the Constitution covers 'mandating which light bulbs Americans can use'?
(in 2007, Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress)

Is that after the 'toilet bowl amendment'? ("When the federal government mandated that new toilets use no more than 1.6 gallons per flush,...")

The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

LED Bulbs Get Brighter As Ban Looms

Get that? The bulb produces so much heat, it's used in an "oven" to bake.

However, 60-watt bulbs are the big prize, since they're the most common. There are 425 million incandescent light bulbs in the 60-watt range in use in the U.S. today, said Zia Eftekhar, the head of Philips' North American lighting division. The energy savings that could be realized by replacing them with 10-watt LED bulbs is staggering.

Oops.

How about this novel approach...we inform the citizens of the choices, as in an open debate, and allow them to make up their own minds....

... as opposed to bans and mandates.

Why is coercion so prominent in the Left's approach?

 

[Wiseacre]

And those new light bulbs don't save as much energy or last as long as they thought either. We were lied to, again. Fuck 'em, I'm going back to candles.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

SAY WHAAA??...

The new $50 Bulb will replace incandescent Bulbs that have now been Banned by our Government. The Ban takes effect starting in January 2012.

Wow. Should our Government really be banning products and forcing Citizens to purchase particular products? This seems very disturbing to me. How can this be allowed to go forward? I've actually read where these new Bulbs are actually pretty hazardous. You don't want one of these Bulbs breaking in your Home. But these will be the only Bulbs you'll be allowed to purchase starting next year. Banning the old Bulbs just looks like an awful abuse of Power to me. I'm just so baffled as to how our Government can be allowed such unchecked power. Many are suspecting GE is behind this whole thing. They do have a very close relationship with this President. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt is now his "Jobs Czar." I'm very disappointed this is being allowed to move forward. But what say you all?

what is this $50.00 bulb?

Oh and if anyone wants incandecents, i have cases ready to sell at overinflated prices when they are no longer made, and all my bulbs were made in the USA!

A side note: I actually use the obamabulbs (CFL bulbs) in my house and have been using them for over 10 years. I dont do it to save the planet, I did it because they dont burn out and make my electric bill cheaper.

 

[PoliticalChic]

IIRC, both Dems and Republicans overwhelmingly voted this into law and Dubya signed it.

What we have left is a lot of hysteria and outright falsehoods about light bulbs.

Here's a short discussion.

Dispelling Myths about the Federal Light Bulb Standard*|*MEEA Unplugged

You don't mind your gov telling you what kinds of bulbs to use...as long as it's bipartisan?

No one is stopping me from making my own lightbulbs.

On PayPerView??

 

[Big Fitz]

NEW YORK – Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January.

Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect.

The new bulbs will also be expensive — about $50 each — so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs.

The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

To encourage energy efficiency, Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals, starting in 2012. Conventional light bulbs don't meet those goals, so the law will prohibit making or importing them. The same rule will start apply to remaining bulbs 40 watts and above in 2014. Since January, California has already banned stores from restocking 100-watt incandescent bulbs.
LED bulbs hit 100 watts as federal ban looms - Yahoo! News

So...exactly which part of the Constitution covers 'mandating which light bulbs Americans can use'?
(in 2007, Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress)

Is that after the 'toilet bowl amendment'? ("When the federal government mandated that new toilets use no more than 1.6 gallons per flush,...")

The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

LED Bulbs Get Brighter As Ban Looms

Get that? The bulb produces so much heat, it's used in an "oven" to bake.

However, 60-watt bulbs are the big prize, since they're the most common. There are 425 million incandescent light bulbs in the 60-watt range in use in the U.S. today, said Zia Eftekhar, the head of Philips' North American lighting division. The energy savings that could be realized by replacing them with 10-watt LED bulbs is staggering.

Oops.

How about this novel approach...we inform the citizens of the choices, as in an open debate, and allow them to make up their own minds....

... as opposed to bans and mandates.

Why is coercion so prominent in the Left's approach?

Simple. If given a choice, people won't choose the left's option. That's why.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

SAY WHAAA??...

The new $50 Bulb will replace incandescent Bulbs that have now been Banned by our Government. The Ban takes effect starting in January 2012.

Wow. Should our Government really be banning products and forcing Citizens to purchase particular products? This seems very disturbing to me. How can this be allowed to go forward? I've actually read where these new Bulbs are actually pretty hazardous. You don't want one of these Bulbs breaking in your Home. But these will be the only Bulbs you'll be allowed to purchase starting next year. Banning the old Bulbs just looks like an awful abuse of Power to me. I'm just so baffled as to how our Government can be allowed such unchecked power. Many are suspecting GE is behind this whole thing. They do have a very close relationship with this President. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt is now his "Jobs Czar." I'm very disappointed this is being allowed to move forward. But what say you all?

what is this $50.00 bulb?

Oh and if anyone wants incandecents, i have cases ready to sell at overinflated prices when they are no longer made, and all my bulbs were made in the USA!

A side note: I actually use the obamabulbs (CFL bulbs) in my house and have been using them for over 10 years. I dont do it to save the planet, I did it because they dont burn out and make my electric bill cheaper.

I use them in fixtures that are covered. They look like crap in any decorative fixtures. I too have plenty of the old school bulbs handy.

 

[editec]

LED lights will be the wave of the future.

When their prices come down.

 

[Ravi]

You don't mind your gov telling you what kinds of bulbs to use...as long as it's bipartisan?

No one is stopping me from making my own lightbulbs.

On PayPerView??

Make a light bulb :: Edison Invents! :: Smithsonian Lemelson Center

 

[Care4all]

it's not just the USA, it's on the agenda for the whole world.....!!

we are one of the last countries to implement it from what i have read....

I had the hubby go out and buy a ton of incandescent bulbs inevery watage that exist, 25,40, 60,75,100 and some 3 ways....hahahahahahahaha! I hate the fluorescent lights...we boaght a bunch of them, and paid a fortune, and tried to truly do the right thing and cut our light wattage down...BUT they are just horrible, i hate the light they give off and we broke one the first day over the stove area and mercury got everywhere....around my cooking area, along with the fine glass....freaked me out, especially the warning on the mercury....

anyway, I sent Matt out to pick up all the incandescent lights he could find!

they say they put out more heat than light and they are a waste, but THIS IS WHY I LIKE THEM, living in Maine, it's near always cold in the house a good portion of the year...the heat that the incandescent lights put out is like a 2 for 1, for me!

 

[Robert]

Citizens/Consumers should always decide this stuff. Choosing which kind of Bulb you want to use should not involve the Government in any way. Its just not a Government issue. The more i read about this,the more i'm shocked so few are outraged over this. This is terrible Government abuse of power in my opinion. Why are so many so willing to just give all their Freedom & Liberty away? I just don't get it.

Its only an issue if the sycophants can figure out a way to blame Bush for it or use as an excuse to spew hatred at one of the left' other target's

 

[High_Gravity]

Wait a minute $50 light bulbs? how are people supposed to afford this?

 

[edthecynic]

BTW a local Lowes recently were selling the flourescent bulbs for $1 each.
So how does this mandate a person buying the most expensive bulbs?

And those CFLs were $10 only a few years ago. LED prices are coming down quickly. The DoE expects, the most common size light bulb used, a 60-watt equivalent LED bulb to cost $10 by 2015. There are 425 million incandescent light bulbs in the 60-watt range in use in the U.S. today.

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I didn't want to buy any bulbs, I just like your music.

Well, either you didn't like my music or you missed the post, you didn't comment on my musical answer to your tie comment.

You know, you are far better at picking out ties than articulating posts...

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If you like that track, try track 8 also, it's even better.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

LED Bulbs Get Brighter As Ban Looms

Get that? The bulb produces so much heat, it's used in an "oven" to bake.

However, 60-watt bulbs are the big prize, since they're the most common. There are 425 million incandescent light bulbs in the 60-watt range in use in the U.S. today, said Zia Eftekhar, the head of Philips' North American lighting division. The energy savings that could be realized by replacing them with 10-watt LED bulbs is staggering.

Oops.

How about this novel approach...we inform the citizens of the choices, as in an open debate, and allow them to make up their own minds....

... as opposed to bans and mandates.

Why is coercion so prominent in the Left's approach?

Simple. If given a choice, people won't choose the left's option. That's why.

So, after all the talk of history, and Enlightenment.....some things never change.
They think it's about light bulbs and toilet bulbs.

1. Enemies of the common good must be forced to bend to the general will! He described state-sanctioned coercion as “forcing men to be free.”For Rousseau mechanisms of democracy such as voting, representative bodies, etc. are “hardly ever necessary where the government is well-intentioned.” Brandishings

2. Although attributed to Rousseau, it was Diderot who gave the model for totalitarianism of reason: “We must reason about all things,” and anyone who ‘refuses to seek out the truth’ thereby renounces his human nature and “should be treated by the rest of his species as a wild beast.” So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil.” It is not the individual who has the “ right to decide about the nature of right and wrong,” but only “the human race,” expressed as the general will. Himmelfarb, “The Roads to Modernity,” p. 167-68


So many well-meaning folks...(sigh)...still cling to statism.

 

[Robert]

Wait a minute $50 light bulbs? how are people supposed to afford this?

I'm sure Obama has some sort of waiver for his friends you are his friend right?

 

[DiamondDave]

And God forbid anyone need a natural light incandescent bulb....

 

[High_Gravity]

Wait a minute $50 light bulbs? how are people supposed to afford this?

I'm sure Obama has some sort of waiver for his friends you are his friend right?

No but I'm gonna try to be now.

 

[BlindBoo]

It started many moons ago......

In addition to raising auto fuel efficiency standards 40 percent, an energy bill passed by Congress yesterday bans the incandescent light bulb by 2014.

President Bush signed the 822-page measure into law today after it was sent up Pennsylvania Avenue in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle. The House passed the bill by a 314-100 vote after approval by the Senate last week.

Rep. John D. Dingell, D-Mich., chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said the legislation will boost the energy efficiency of "almost every significant product and tool and appliance that we use, from light bulbs to light trucks."

The phase-out of incandescent light is to begin with the 100-watt bulb in 2012 and end in 2014 with the 40-watt.



Read more: Congress bans incandescent bulbs Congress bans incandescent bulbs

Oh and the $50.00 light bulb are LED and are suppose to last 15-17 years.