Opposition to Gay Marriage - Any Basis Other Than Intolerance and Bigotry?

[bodecea]

The gay lifestyle is disgusting. I do not like being around buttfvckers. They are just as vile as a pedophile is to me, but there is no law against their perversion because it does not hurt another human.

To be consistent in my views on FREEDOM for all. The faggots need to be able to get married.

The faggots do not need to impose their beliefs on me or my children. If they continue to campaign gay lifestyles be taught to our children in schools, I must insist, we also teach all children about Sodom and Gomorrah and how risky, unhealthy and filthy anal sex is.

It's mutual...I don't want to be around people like you. You are like a toxic infection on mankind. But I don't support laws to keep you from marrying.

 

[American Cowboy]

im anti-government involvement in all kinds of marriage. does that count?

I gotta agree. Those fvcking Mormons gotta be able to marry their 10 wives too. It will be a never ending freak show I guess. Who knows where it will go. Some towel head bastard will want to marry his goat, sheep or donkey. etc etc.

Hell Obama married RuPaul. I don't think anyone even noticed.

Just keep the freaks away from me and my family. Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

No one is asking for polygamy or bestiality. Those are dried up old arguments the Social Conservatives tried thinking America would be just dumb enough to follow them down that primrose path. Marriage is still two committed, loving, sober taxpaying adult citizens. Not a gaggle of Mormons nor a man and his goat.

Oh you don't think the polygamist don't want polygamy to be legal? WTF? Do you have a brain in your head?

A Conservative arguement? LOL what a jerkoff. Use some common sense.

It is all about freedom. Morally, I am less offended be polygamists than by buttfvckers. But I keep my person beleifs out of it. It is about personal freedom for all. I say let them all get married. I might draw the line at a man and his dog, but it is no less offensive to me than Adam and Steve. They are all just a bunch of sickos and just as unnatural.

 

[George Costanza]

Well, New York has done the right thing. Which brings to mind a question.

Can any person here who is "opposed to gay marriage" come forward and justify their position on the basis of anything other than intolerance and bigotry? Seriously.

Please don't start with "the Bible does not condone same sex marriage." Perhaps it doesn't. So WHAT? Let's say the Bible contained a passage which said: "Marriage is only between a man and a woman. If thou shalt marry one of the same sex as yourself, thou shalt burn in the fiery pits of HELL!" So what? Isn't invoking the Bible just another way of shoving religion down the throats of other people? Yup. In other words, intolerance and bigotry.

No, my friends - we all know what is really involved here, don't we? I am wondering if there is anyone here who has the stones to come right out and tell it like it is: "I am opposed to same sex marriage because I hate gays everything they stand for. No other reason."

Intolerance and bigotry. There really does not seem to be any other reason.

Because all conservatives are narrow minded bigots. Opposition to Obama was based solely on his being black. Opposition to gay marriage is solely because of bigotry. Opposition to increasing the debt ceiling is based solely on racism.
Haven't you heard?

So let me ask you, sunshine - what's YOUR position on same sex marriage?

 

[bodecea]

Not too long ago gays were making fun of marriage because of the divorce rate but now they want it. Why?

Wanna' know why Prop 8 passed in California? Because Blacks and Hispanics voted for it in droves. Ask THEM why they oppose gay marriage.

Actually an analysis of voter Demographics for Prop 8 shows that Blacks and Hispanics were 7% and 14% respectively of the voting population for Prop 8 voting 58 & 59% respectively.

Interesting though is that the second largest demographic (behind white) was Weekly Religious Attendance (45%), and that demographic voted 70% in favor of the initiative.



So which had a bigger impact - 7 & 14% voting 58% OR 45% voting 70%?



http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop 8 Report.pdf

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You've got to stop pulling out facts...it annoys them so.

 

[bodecea]

Can you first walk me through the difference between marriage and civil union?

I have been asking conservatives this question for years. Never got a straight answer.

Marriage is seen by most as in the eyes of God. Civil Unions is seen by most as in the eyes of the court.

Fags getting married to me is a little like them spitting in the eye of God. But they can do what ever they want. God will take it up with them at a later date.

So...let's get rid of the term "marriage" on all civil, legal documents for all people and replace it with the term "civil union".

 

[Nosmo King]

I gotta agree. Those fvcking Mormons gotta be able to marry their 10 wives too. It will be a never ending freak show I guess. Who knows where it will go. Some towel head bastard will want to marry his goat, sheep or donkey. etc etc.

Hell Obama married RuPaul. I don't think anyone even noticed.

Just keep the freaks away from me and my family. Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

No one is asking for polygamy or bestiality. Those are dried up old arguments the Social Conservatives tried thinking America would be just dumb enough to follow them down that primrose path. Marriage is still two committed, loving, sober taxpaying adult citizens. Not a gaggle of Mormons nor a man and his goat.

It is not a dried up old argument. It is a valid comparison.

IF marriage is a right
IF that right extends to whomever you wish to marry and is not subject to scrutiny
Then you must allow polygamists and inter familial marriages.

Personally, I would allow all of them AFTER marriage was removed as a tax benefit. For the time being, I have no issues with gays marrying as what one does on their own time is their own business. I believe that the crux of the argument lies in benefits to society. If there is a negative benefit then it could be argued that the state has no business condoning the relationship. There is no law against marrying for gays, just that the marriage will not be recognized by the state. For me, the verdict is in, it is BENEFICIAL to sanction gay marriage as gay is not a choice and all benefit from a stable relationship. There is also the adoption angle. I am POSITIVE that I do not want children in foster care. Whatever your view on gay behavior, a child is better off in a stable gay family than they are in a fluid and possible abusive foster care.

The "right" itself is not marriage. the "right" is the access to contract law and the Marriage Contract itself. It's just not proper, in a nation that bills itself as a beacon of freedom and civil rights not to allow TWO ADULT CITIZENS access to those legal protections. Not citizens and animals. Animals cannot CONSENT to a legal contract. And it's that point that invalidates the old Social Conservative's argument.

 

[bodecea]

im anti-government involvement in all kinds of marriage. does that count?

I gotta agree. Those fvcking Mormons gotta be able to marry their 10 wives too. It will be a never ending freak show I guess. Who knows where it will go. Some towel head bastard will want to marry his goat, sheep or donkey. etc etc.

Hell Obama married RuPaul. I don't think anyone even noticed.

Just keep the freaks away from me and my family. Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

We got us an equal opportunity bigot, folks....isn't he cute?

 

[bodecea]

im in a polygamist relationship with my toaster and a pop tart, dont tell anyone. Damn government...why do they hate my lifestyle???

For curiosity's sake, can I see a sample of your toaster and pop tart's consent signature on the civil marriage license? I want to see what a pop tart's signature looks like.

 

[bodecea]

I gotta agree. Those fvcking Mormons gotta be able to marry their 10 wives too. It will be a never ending freak show I guess. Who knows where it will go. Some towel head bastard will want to marry his goat, sheep or donkey. etc etc.

Hell Obama married RuPaul. I don't think anyone even noticed.

Just keep the freaks away from me and my family. Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

No one is asking for polygamy or bestiality. Those are dried up old arguments the Social Conservatives tried thinking America would be just dumb enough to follow them down that primrose path. Marriage is still two committed, loving, sober taxpaying adult citizens. Not a gaggle of Mormons nor a man and his goat.

thats bullshit! Why can't I marry my toaster in the church of my lord????

If you can find a church that does that...go for it! And I hope you are both very happy.

 

[bodecea]

Actually an analysis of voter Demographics for Prop 8 shows that Blacks and Hispanics were 7% and 14% respectively of the voting population for Prop 8 voting 58 & 59% respectively.

Interesting though is that the second largest demographic (behind white) was Weekly Religious Attendance (45%), and that demographic voted 70% in favor of the initiative.



So which had a bigger impact - 7 & 14% voting 58% OR 45% voting 70%?



http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop 8 Report.pdf

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How much of that weekly attendance demographic is black?

Rev. Al Rips Black Mega-Churches on LGBT, Prop 8 | Young Black Professional Guide

Statistically speaking a much greater impact on the outcome would have been made by a 45% demographic voting 70% to approve Prop 8.

Since they were only 7% of the voters, who cares? Well unless the race card is trying to be played.
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*Nods head, points to WW and touches nose.

 

[bodecea]

I gotta agree. Those fvcking Mormons gotta be able to marry their 10 wives too. It will be a never ending freak show I guess. Who knows where it will go. Some towel head bastard will want to marry his goat, sheep or donkey. etc etc.

Hell Obama married RuPaul. I don't think anyone even noticed.

Just keep the freaks away from me and my family. Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

No one is asking for polygamy or bestiality. Those are dried up old arguments the Social Conservatives tried thinking America would be just dumb enough to follow them down that primrose path. Marriage is still two committed, loving, sober taxpaying adult citizens. Not a gaggle of Mormons nor a man and his goat.

Oh you don't think the polygamist don't want polygamy to be legal? WTF? Do you have a brain in your head?

A Conservative arguement? LOL what a jerkoff. Use some common sense.

It is all about freedom. Morally, I am less offended be polygamists than by buttfvckers. But I keep my person beleifs out of it. It is about personal freedom for all. I say let them all get married. I might draw the line at a man and his dog, but it is no less offensive to me than Adam and Steve. They are all just a bunch of sickos and just as unnatural.

It always fascinates me that people like you always talk about gay sex. You talk about it more than we do it, or talk about it ourselves.....always been a puzzlement....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh you don't think the polygamist don't want polygamy to be legal?

Laws banning polygamy are Constitutional because everyone is ‘equally denied.’

 

[bodecea]

Oh you don't think the polygamist don't want polygamy to be legal?

Laws banning polygamy are Constitutional because everyone is ‘equally denied.’

I would like to hear from some posters who bring polygamy up all the time.....what is it about allowing gay marriage that triggers polygamy that would not be triggered by straight marriage?

 

[American Cowboy]

No one is asking for polygamy or bestiality. Those are dried up old arguments the Social Conservatives tried thinking America would be just dumb enough to follow them down that primrose path. Marriage is still two committed, loving, sober taxpaying adult citizens. Not a gaggle of Mormons nor a man and his goat.

Oh you don't think the polygamist don't want polygamy to be legal? WTF? Do you have a brain in your head?

A Conservative arguement? LOL what a jerkoff. Use some common sense.

It is all about freedom. Morally, I am less offended be polygamists than by buttfvckers. But I keep my person beleifs out of it. It is about personal freedom for all. I say let them all get married. I might draw the line at a man and his dog, but it is no less offensive to me than Adam and Steve. They are all just a bunch of sickos and just as unnatural.

It always fascinates me that people like you always talk about gay sex. You talk about it more than we do it, or talk about it ourselves.....always been a puzzlement....

Welcome to the conversation Lesbo. Let my set your sick mind "straight". It is the gay sex we find offensive. If you just wanted to be freinds with another women, we would not be talking about it. But morally, you are commiting vile acts against God. But again, you will need to take that up with God. What happens in your bedroom is your business. Just keep your mental lillness away from me and my children. You sick MFers are pushing this sh*t in schools that is an invasion on my parental rights. STOP fvcking with my freedom, I don't fvck with yours.

 

[whitehall]

Organized Christian religion has been around a lot longer than marriage between sodomites. It seems to me that radical homosexuals are bigoted toward Christianity. Like the pot-head anti-war protestors of the 60's stupid sissies are so full of themselves that they seem to think freedom of speech only applies to burning the Flag or men wearing dresses.

 

[American Cowboy]

Oh you don't think the polygamist don't want polygamy to be legal?

Laws banning polygamy are Constitutional because everyone is ‘equally denied.’

I would like to hear from some posters who bring polygamy up all the time.....what is it about allowing gay marriage that triggers polygamy that would not be triggered by straight marriage?

Gay and liberal minds don't function properly...

It is what is commonly exceptable. Neither gay marriage and polygamy are widely excepted. That is what they have in common.

 

[American Cowboy]

Organized Christian religion has been around a lot longer than marriage between sodomites. It seems to me that radical homosexuals are bigoted toward Christianity. Like the pot-head anti-war protestors of the 60's stupid sissies are so full of themselves that they seem to think freedom of speech only applies to burning the Flag or men wearing dresses.

Yeah, these fags have derogatory terms for straights too. But the hate only goes one way in their eyes. Hypocrites!!! I have seen this nasty hateful queers talk freely because my wife is in the beauty industry. I have had to go to dinner with these freaks. Many of whom are AWEFUL humans. The little whiny feminine queens are the worst. I no longer attend my wives company functions because of these little girly sickos.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Unfortunately there is a minority conservative opinion that incorrectly infers the 14th Amendment does not apply to gender:

What Scalia refuses to accept is that the rights of Americans are not subject to popular vote. See: West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette (1943). State lawmaking bodies are not the appropriate venue to determine whether one’s rights are acknowledged or not. And how long must a given minority wait before the people of a given state ‘decide’ to acknowledge the rights of that minority? A year? Ten years? Indeed, a Constitutional right delayed is a right denied.

Hence, Scalia’s opinion is the minority in the legal community:
Should a given same-sex marriage case make it to the Supreme Court, fortunately, a 5-4 ruling is likely in favor of same-sex marriage, given Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion in Lawrence v Texas (2003).

Strange that a person that insists that rights are not subject to a popular vote wants to base rights on popularity.

What about the right of association? Shouldn't people not have to associate with racists assholes if they don't want to?

Right up to the point of conspiracy. If that racist asshole packed a truck with fertilizer and diesel fuel and parked it next to an A.M.E. Methodist church one Easter morning.

Which is why the members of the church should have the right to keep the racist asshole out.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Can you first walk me through the difference between marriage and civil union?

i always thought the Union is the whole package without the Official Govt Sanction....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

im anti-government involvement in all kinds of marriage. does that count?

I gotta agree. Those fvcking Mormons gotta be able to marry their 10 wives too. It will be a never ending freak show I guess. Who knows where it will go. Some towel head bastard will want to marry his goat, sheep or donkey. etc etc.

Hell Obama married RuPaul. I don't think anyone even noticed.

Just keep the freaks away from me and my family. Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

No one is asking for polygamy or bestiality. Those are dried up old arguments the Social Conservatives tried thinking America would be just dumb enough to follow them down that primrose path. Marriage is still two committed, loving, sober taxpaying adult citizens. Not a gaggle of Mormons nor a man and his goat.

There are people that are asking for polygamous marriages, and even bestiality. If we legally change the definition from the traditional one of between one man and one woman what legal justification would we have to tell two men they cannot marry the same woman? Bestiality is an easy one to defend, but polygamy is going to be harder.