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[hortysir]

The ATF has been out of control through the last four administrations and longer. Should we "blame Bush" and forget about it or deal with the Border Patrol Officer who was killed on Obama's watch?

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a damn convenience store not a federal law enforcement agency.

Do they have a Rewards Card?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Because Obama’s a democrat.

Holder has said you're full of shit

 

[Leweman]

Critical thinking skills would come in handy here.

 

[daveman]

If this were all Bush's fault obama would have had every scrap of paper turned over. The program was scrapped. obama resurrected it for a new purpose. The purpose wasn't to track guns, but create as many dead bodies as possible in as short a period of time as possible then institute draconian gun laws that finally Americans would accept.

No, he wouldn't. If Obama actually cared about holding Bush accountable, he'd have turned him over The Hague already.

Making leftists pee their pants in impotent rage is not a crime.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Hey, I thought this was a thread of naked liberal chicks. Im suing its false advertising

 

[skookerasbil]

Leave it to the far left to change the subject when the shit sandwich hits the fan.

The only people thinking about George Bush tonight are the internet OCD lefties.

 

[bodecea]

Bush admin didn't walk guns and shut the program down hence the name change. The Marxist saw this and dreamed up they're way to get gun control laws passed and this is how they did it. Very simple shit blame Bush he isn't anywhere near this libtards

so....tell us....how many gun control laws have been passed this administration?

 

[Dr.House]

Bush admin didn't walk guns and shut the program down hence the name change. The Marxist saw this and dreamed up they're way to get gun control laws passed and this is how they did it. Very simple shit blame Bush he isn't anywhere near this libtards

so....tell us....how many gun control laws have been passed this administration?

0bama doesn't need laws, Elsie....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bush admin didn't walk guns and shut the program down hence the name change. The Marxist saw this and dreamed up they're way to get gun control laws passed and this is how they did it. Very simple shit blame Bush he isn't anywhere near this libtards

so....tell us....how many gun control laws have been passed this administration?

0bama doesn't need laws, Elsie....

Obama
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[hortysir]

so....tell us....how many gun control laws have been passed this administration?

0bama doesn't need laws, Elsie....

Obama
Law​

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[Vel]

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2012

Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious
Main Page

Didn't this all start under Bush? Didn't he do the same thing? Didn't his "Wide Receiver" operation use the same tactics?

The short answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. The longer and more accurate answer follows.

Under the Bush administration, several sting operations were conducted in which straw buyers were allowed to purchase guns and attempts were made to follow the guns to, and in some cases over, the border. The largest and most well known operation was called “Wide Receiver”. The other operations were similar. During these operations approximately 200-250 firearms “got away”. The fact that some guns did cross the border is the only similarity between the Bush era program and Fast and Furious.

Let’s compare the two programs:

Cooperation with Mexico:
Wide Receiver: Mexican Law Enforcement notified, Mexico consented and was a full partner.
Fast and Furious: Mexico intentionally kept in the dark. No coordination or consent.

Surveillance of Firearms:
Wide Receiver: Agents attempted to keep track of the guns at all times.
Fast and Furious: Agents were ordered not to track the guns after they were purchased.

Use of Tracking Devices:
Wide Receiver: Extensive – placed in every lot of guns purchased
Fast and Furious: One “agent built” device in one gun

Performance of Tracking Devices:
Wide Receiver: Smugglers figured out how to defeat trackers
Fast and Furious: Smugglers didn’t have to do anything

Number of Firearms Sent to Cartels:
Wide Receiver: About 250
Fast and Furious: Exact number unknown, but over 2,500

Actions at the Border:
Wide Receiver: Attempted to hand off surveillance to Mexican law enforcement
Fast and Furious: ATF worked with Customs to make sure guns were not stopped at border


Reasoned Politics: Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious

 

[bigrebnc1775]

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2012

Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious
Main Page

Didn't this all start under Bush? Didn't he do the same thing? Didn't his "Wide Receiver" operation use the same tactics?

The short answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. The longer and more accurate answer follows.

Under the Bush administration, several sting operations were conducted in which straw buyers were allowed to purchase guns and attempts were made to follow the guns to, and in some cases over, the border. The largest and most well known operation was called “Wide Receiver”. The other operations were similar. During these operations approximately 200-250 firearms “got away”. The fact that some guns did cross the border is the only similarity between the Bush era program and Fast and Furious.

Let’s compare the two programs:

Cooperation with Mexico:
Wide Receiver: Mexican Law Enforcement notified, Mexico consented and was a full partner.
Fast and Furious: Mexico intentionally kept in the dark. No coordination or consent.

Surveillance of Firearms:
Wide Receiver: Agents attempted to keep track of the guns at all times.
Fast and Furious: Agents were ordered not to track the guns after they were purchased.

Use of Tracking Devices:
Wide Receiver: Extensive – placed in every lot of guns purchased
Fast and Furious: One “agent built” device in one gun

Performance of Tracking Devices:
Wide Receiver: Smugglers figured out how to defeat trackers
Fast and Furious: Smugglers didn’t have to do anything

Number of Firearms Sent to Cartels:
Wide Receiver: About 250
Fast and Furious: Exact number unknown, but over 2,500

Actions at the Border:
Wide Receiver: Attempted to hand off surveillance to Mexican law enforcement
Fast and Furious: ATF worked with Customs to make sure guns were not stopped at border


Reasoned Politics: Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious

One thing that was not pointed out Wide Receiver was stopped in 2007 when the Bush administration found out about it and saw that it was not working.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Bush admin didn't walk guns and shut the program down hence the name change. The Marxist saw this and dreamed up they're way to get gun control laws passed and this is how they did it. Very simple shit blame Bush he isn't anywhere near this libtards

so....tell us....how many gun control laws have been passed this administration?

well many have been struck down, but DC And Chicago arent complying, how's that for ya. Ignoring the SUPREME COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!