One very very easy and simple way to cut health care costs 50% tomorrow:

[Mac1958]

Nope, but I do think you just made up that 50% figure,
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we know that capitalism makes things about 80% cheaper from USSR Red China East Germany experience. So its safe to say 50% could be achieved by merely publishing prices which is the primary mechanism capitalism uses to raise our standard of living. Now do you understand?

I understand that you really don't know what you're talking about.
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He hasn't an effing clue. He cannot post a single source to ever prove anything he says.

so you think Red China did better under socialism despite 60 million slowly starving to death??

You mean besides the fact you didn't know that ALL prices are shown in a comparative manner on the Exchanges? He doesn't need anymore proof than that. That was the worst attempt at deflection I've ever seen kid.

Hey, I think he's more than proven his point.

Displaying your prices will cause health care costs to drop 50% because China.

I mean, what more empirical evidence could you NEED?
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[Doc1]

You have only one place to start and that's the repeal of the ACA. You better give Ryan a call because what he's selling nobody will buy.

 

[Doc1]

we know that capitalism makes things about 80% cheaper from USSR Red China East Germany experience. So its safe to say 50% could be achieved by merely publishing prices which is the primary mechanism capitalism uses to raise our standard of living. Now do you understand?

I understand that you really don't know what you're talking about.
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He hasn't an effing clue. He cannot post a single source to ever prove anything he says.

so you think Red China did better under socialism despite 60 million slowly starving to death??

You mean besides the fact you didn't know that ALL prices are shown in a comparative manner on the Exchanges? He doesn't need anymore proof than that. That was the worst attempt at deflection I've ever seen kid.

Hey, I think he's more than proven his point.

Displaying your prices will cause health care costs to drop 50% because China.

I mean, what more empirical evidence could you NEED?
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Ask him for a source, let's see him produce

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Ask him for a source, let's see him produce

did you notice that in Red China prices were so high that 60 million human souls slowly starved to death because they could not afford anything? Is your point that socialism really works better - that Cuba and Venezuela do better than Florida??

 

[Doc1]

Ask him for a source, let's see him produce

did you notice that in Red China prices were so high that 60 million human souls slowly strarved to death becuase they could not afford anything? Is your point that socialism really works better - that Cuba does better than Florida??

See there? You don't even know that Mao did that on purpose. How do you ever expect to "win" any engagement when you keep spouting shit you know nothing about? Unfortunately for you I am a Conservative who not only knows what he talking about but also knows how to back it up.

 

[MikeK]

1)SS steals 15% of your life time income at gunpoint and returns dog food money if you live to collect a penny

I am eighty years old. For the past fifteen years the Social Security Administration has been depositing a cozy sum of money into my bank account every month without fail. I've never did the math but I'm quite sure I've collected at least two or three times as much as I'd contributed. And with my genetic DNA profile as an indicator I expect the same happy returns for the next ten or more years. That is unless the vicious right-wing Conservatives in government have their way and sabotage one of the most productive programs in the history of governments.

2)Medicare costs 3 times what other countries cost for about the same results thus impoverishing Americans for nothing

Actually it's the drug war that is "impoverishing" Americans -- along with outragerously wasteful military expenditures .

Medicare is an admirable government program. (Ask your grandparents -- and maybe your parents, too). If the outlay is excessive, which is something competent government administrators can correct if they care to make the effort.

3) our public schools turn out about the dumbest kids in the civilized world.

On this we agree. But again, it is a problem which can be solved. Trump has the ability to do something about it, so let's see if he applies the Conservative hit squads he's assembled to do something about it -- or if he's just as full of shit and as crooked as most Conservative politicians have proven to be.

Always remember that liberalism is the source of evil in human history.

This is just as true for some Liberal elements as it is for some Conservative elements. Actually it is counterproductive to identify oneself with either partisan posture. The sensible position to hold is somewhere in the middle but leaning toward the common citizens' best interests -- rather than those of the elite class.

 

[MikeK]

I once noticed a rapidly swelling infected finger on a Friday afternoon too late to bring it to my GP, so I went to the local emergency room. There I waited two hours to be interviewed by a social worker, then waited another two hours to be "seen" by a tired, annoyed intern who decided the infection needed to be drained -- which it didn't. All I needed was a prescription for penicillin (I've had that problem before).

Bottom line; after a painful, wholly unnecessary swipe with a scalpel, a sloppy, bulky bandage and a prescription for some exotic antibiotic, my insurer (GHI) was billed $430 and I had a $165 co-pay. Five hundred and ninety-five dollars for a lot of wasteful bureaucratic bullshit and absolutely redundant medical attention.

I've had that problem before (for some reason I am prone to infected fingers if I get the slightest cut). It happened twice when I was in the Marines. Each time it happened I simply walked into Sick Bay, an enlisted Navy Medical Corpsman took a look at the finger, handed me a little box of penicillin tablets -- and next day the infection was completely gone.

The point I wish to make is there is a compelling need for walk-in clinics staffed by former military medics and civilian EMTs who know how to diagnose and treat minor problems, which account for 90% (or more) of all emergency room visits. Those occasional problems which are over the heads of these medics can be referred to an ER if a physician is not present at the clinic.

These walk-in clinics would eliminate the need for attention by physicians thus dramatically reducing the consequent health care costs. I believe such a situation exists in Cuba, where the health care system is vastly superior to ours. The first step toward implementing such a system here in the U.S. would be to crush the health insurance industry, which is represented by an extremely powerful (well financed) Washington lobby.

There are thousands of highly experienced military medics, nurses, and EMTs whose acquired expertise would qualify them to provide a function which does not require the attention of an MD.

You brought back a memory - in college, pulled open a heavy metal door that was stuck, wearing sandals and the door ripped off the top of my big toe.

Leaving a trail of blood, I went hunting for college nurse who turned out to be a Vietnam medic who was very cool and didn't get all hysterical about the rather nasty thing I had done to myself.

You have a good point about using the skills our people learned in war. That's what Obama and First Lady Michelle were talking about and what the Rs refused.

In theory, we have that now - in urgent care facilities but, as you say, they're manned by MDs.

Many won't like it but there is a fast growing underground of just the kind of medically trained people you describe, doing abortions in people's homes.

Another point about what you suggest is that if we changed to the type of system AND ATTITUDE we see in European countries, it would have the same effect.

In this country, we still see doctors as gods. In Europe (in my own experience), they are highly skilled but so are ancillary positions.

I was stunned at what I found in pharmacies. They were as well trained as our MDs and paid as well as their MDs.

capitalism frees up most people to practice medicine. It is only govt regulation by special interests that prevents it now

Lets look how stupid this comment is... US has the most expensive system in the world and is also one of the most privatized... The cheaper systems have more Government involvement, that is basic fact... The more Government involvement the cheaper it is...

So this clown says more private... Doubling down on stupid...

You're quite right. But he does serve as a good drum to pound on for the benefit of those with the good sense to appreciate the facts. So let him rave and cut him off at the knees --as you've so effectively done in this example.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. I've never did the math but I'm quite sure.

totally stupid and 100% liberal of course. If you've never done the math you don't the answer...obviously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, an average American could retire with an estate of $1.4 million, live on the interest, and let their kids inherit $1.4 million. But, with SS stealing 15% of your lifetime income all you get is dog food money until you die, and no estate, if you live long enough to collect a penny.Republican capitalism made us rich and then liberals stole the money and wasted it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

sabotage one of the most productive programs in the history of governments.
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so to a libNazi stealing money at gun point from kids, who often live in their parents basement, to fund your retirement is your idea of productive?????? OMG!! See why we have to be positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance. Is any other explanation possible??

 

[MikeK]

so to a libNazi stealing money at gun point from kids, who often live in their parents basement, to fund your retirement is your idea of productive?????? OMG!! See why we have to be positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance. Is any other explanation possible??

The effect you've cited (the dilemma of the 1%) is the result of wealth hoarding by the 99%, not Social Security.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The effect you've cited (the dilemma of the 1%) is the result of wealth hoarding by the 99%, not Social Security.

no idea what you think you are saying. Care to try again in good English??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

-- along with outragerously wasteful military expenditures .

Exactly!! listening to Reagan and putting a few billion more into a star wars missile defense system to handle North Korean and Iranian nukes would have been a total waste. Better to negotiate, to make love not war!! See why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure deadly ignorance.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

See there? You don't even know that Mao did that on purpose.

Mao was a communist on purpose and thus caused the people of China to have a living standard 10% of ours?? And then when Republicans switched them to capitalism they started getting rich? And so America should have a communist health care system. See why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Actually it is counterproductive to identify oneself with either partisan posture.

So you would not want to be identified with the Jeffersonian /Republican partisan posture because you are a communist at heart, becuase you don't have the IQ to understand that our Constitution and all of human history is the battle against liberalism???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Medicare is an admirable government program.

A welfare entitle program run by a libNazi bureaucracy monopoly is wasteful at best!! Better to replace with free market capitalism to cut prices by 80% or so. Ever hear of East/ West Germany or Cuba/Florida?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I am a Conservative.

but you want a libcommie health care system???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

These walk-in clinics would eliminate the need for attention by physicians .

yes walk in clinics with published prices would hugely expand our access to health care and drop the price to affordable ranges. But Democrats oppose.