One small backward step for man; One giant leap for fake global warming

[Xenophon]

...and people talk about Bush being against science. Obama is killing jobs and progress with his plundering. Sad thing is, to him it's the right thing to do. He's bent on the government controlling the entire economy.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

They yell and scream about how they are for progress, job and better education, then do their damnest to kill the very thing that provides jobs, tech and scientific advancement.

 

[Navy1960]

Guess the President doesn't want to spend a trillion dollars on something like NASA. He'd rather spend the money on something foolish...

Yes, something foolish like:
- Healthcare for Americans
- Public infrastructure
- Education


Oh yes.....going to the moon again is more important

right,

First the United States spends more on Healthcare by far and more on Education by far than it ever does on the NASA budget each year and its worth noting that on the same day this came about that the 8 billion promised for HSR (High Speed Rail) in this nation exceeds the amount need for 3 years worth of funding for the entire constellation program alone. What most don't see here is that this High Speed Rail pipe dream will never survive without the taxpayer (Amtrak) comes to mind and all you need do is look at every singel High Speed Rail project to understand this. As for re-tasking NASA to study climate change and to use funding for private rocket services, one must understand there ARE ZERO private enterprises with the lifting capability to support the ISS missions and the near earth orbit missions that NASA requires. So that leaves other nations, like Russia, China, and Frnace, and perhaps Japan. What I find troubling most of all that one day after the President was talking of the need to help in the jobs arena, he was willing to give thousands their lay off notices and send this nation to second class status when in terms of our space capabilites. I have already shown you right the benefits of going to the moon and it is NOT just a been there done that. In the future no one doubts the need for energy and the moon holds the promise for an almost unlimted source of energy and as we seem to be willing to give that up then we must prepare ourselves to become a second class nation dependent on others for our existance.

 

[Conspiracist]

One small backward step for man; One giant leap for fake global warming. Papa Obama kills moon program


On the eve of the fullest moon of the year, NASA scientists were told they won't be able to visit any longer. In his new budget, President Obama plans to eliminate the space program's manned moon missions … the forthcoming budget will include no funding for lunar landers, no moon bases, and no Constellation program at all. Instead, NASA will outsource space flight to other governments (such as the Russians) and private companies.

the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change…




Now the goal of NASA will be to keep frauds and global warming profiteers like James Hansen on the public payroll, so they can continue excreting phony data to advance the statist agenda.

I understand making cuts when necessary, but this sounds like a disgusting payback. Unnecessary green corporations coming to a theater near you!

 

[Xenophon]

NASA's highpoint:

And low point:

 

[Navy1960]

A little FYI , what I find interesting that the PResident says he is for jobs and yet....

NASA Langley, in Hampton, generated $2.3 billion in economic output and 21,000 jobs in the United States. In Virginia, the economic output of Langley was $1 billion with 10,500 jobs. Langley’s contribution to the economic well-being and quality of life extends beyond income and jobs. Some 9.5 million people had the opportunity to share in the excitement of its aeronautics breakthroughs, its space exploration vision, and its Earth-observing missions through education programs, state fairs, air shows, community events and museums. NASA in Virginia brings a culture of science and engineering alive in schools and universities for Hampton Roads and the Commonwealth.

Wallops created an economic output for the nation of $424 million and generated 4,000 jobs, which included hosts operations funded by the U.S. Navy and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration (NOAA).

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/pdf/169236main_2006econimpact.pdf

The job outlook on the space coast may be even worse than first thought. Originally, NASA predicted it would lay off 3,500 workers at Kennedy Space Center when the shuttle fleet retires.


However, that prediction has gone up to at least 4,000 employees. KSC's new director raised eyebrows with his newest prediction that NASA would layoff 4,000 employees, 400 more than the number NASA gave in October of last year.


"The job impact is likely to keep growing," said Dale Ketchum, UCF Spaceport Technology and Institute.
Layoff Tracker: NASA layoffs increases to 4,000, might go upto 5,000

So it's all about jobs is it. This figure does not include the layoffs by Boeing, Lockheed Martin and other contractors as well as local business that is associated with the program as well. Perhaps if we are lucky enough one day to rent a ride on a Chinese rocket they will be able to explain climate change to us here in the United States.

 

[Xenophon]

Its rather obvious 'jobs' is not really on Barry's radar.

The cap & trade bill he wants so badly will kill thousands of jobs, and now he's doing in NASA, thousands more will be out of work.

Ideology trumps employment in Barry's world.

 

[rightwinger]

Guess the President doesn't want to spend a trillion dollars on something like NASA. He'd rather spend the money on something foolish...

Yes, something foolish like:
- Healthcare for Americans
- Public infrastructure
- Education


Oh yes.....going to the moon again is more important

right,

First the United States spends more on Healthcare by far and more on Education by far than it ever does on the NASA budget each year and its worth noting that on the same day this came about that the 8 billion promised for HSR (High Speed Rail) in this nation exceeds the amount need for 3 years worth of funding for the entire constellation program alone. What most don't see here is that this High Speed Rail pipe dream will never survive without the taxpayer (Amtrak) comes to mind and all you need do is look at every singel High Speed Rail project to understand this. As for re-tasking NASA to study climate change and to use funding for private rocket services, one must understand there ARE ZERO private enterprises with the lifting capability to support the ISS missions and the near earth orbit missions that NASA requires. So that leaves other nations, like Russia, China, and Frnace, and perhaps Japan. What I find troubling most of all that one day after the President was talking of the need to help in the jobs arena, he was willing to give thousands their lay off notices and send this nation to second class status when in terms of our space capabilites. I have already shown you right the benefits of going to the moon and it is NOT just a been there done that. In the future no one doubts the need for energy and the moon holds the promise for an almost unlimted source of energy and as we seem to be willing to give that up then we must prepare ourselves to become a second class nation dependent on others for our existance.

I have no objection to NASA. They have a valid role in our economy. Satellites, unmanned probes, Hubble all provide valid services for relatively low costs. Once we add in manned spaceflight and trips to the moon we are doing it more for the bang than for the buck.
We have been to the moon and have the rocks to show for it. Our flag is still flying there today. Once that first flag was planted, the value of subsequent flags became deflated. Been there six times and there is little need to go again. If we can put healthcare on the backburner for 50 years we can delay more manned lunar missions until the economy is back on track

 

[Navy1960]

Yes, something foolish like:
- Healthcare for Americans
- Public infrastructure
- Education


Oh yes.....going to the moon again is more important

right,

First the United States spends more on Healthcare by far and more on Education by far than it ever does on the NASA budget each year and its worth noting that on the same day this came about that the 8 billion promised for HSR (High Speed Rail) in this nation exceeds the amount need for 3 years worth of funding for the entire constellation program alone. What most don't see here is that this High Speed Rail pipe dream will never survive without the taxpayer (Amtrak) comes to mind and all you need do is look at every singel High Speed Rail project to understand this. As for re-tasking NASA to study climate change and to use funding for private rocket services, one must understand there ARE ZERO private enterprises with the lifting capability to support the ISS missions and the near earth orbit missions that NASA requires. So that leaves other nations, like Russia, China, and Frnace, and perhaps Japan. What I find troubling most of all that one day after the President was talking of the need to help in the jobs arena, he was willing to give thousands their lay off notices and send this nation to second class status when in terms of our space capabilites. I have already shown you right the benefits of going to the moon and it is NOT just a been there done that. In the future no one doubts the need for energy and the moon holds the promise for an almost unlimted source of energy and as we seem to be willing to give that up then we must prepare ourselves to become a second class nation dependent on others for our existance.

I have no objection to NASA. They have a valid role in our economy. Satellites, unmanned probes, Hubble all provide valid services for relatively low costs. Once we add in manned spaceflight and trips to the moon we are doing it more for the bang than for the buck.
We have been to the moon and have the rocks to show for it. Our flag is still flying there today. Once that first flag was planted, the value of subsequent flags became deflated. Been there six times and there is little need to go again. If we can put healthcare on the backburner for 50 years we can delay more manned lunar missions until the economy is back on track

It's more than a flag this time right, want to know why?

moonWithout a repulsive atmosphere, the moon has Without accumulated large amounts of heliumaccumulated helium--3 on its surface. An interesting statistic is that the amount of energy stored in lunar helium is 10 times the amount of energy stored in all of the fossil fuels on earth. Because the lunar heliumon helium--3 exists in concentrations of 13 parts per billion in the lunar soil, a significant amount of refining would need to occur on the moon in order to extract the heliumhelium--3 and maximize the amount that could be returned to earth on each trip. When it is considered that the Saturn V rockets used in the Apollo programApollo programcould
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Nuc...A-49FF-9B18-1E5A5D39F89B/0/helium3_fusion.pdf

I know your a big advocate for our own domestic energy needs and why not use this as just one more solution for those needs? Rather than see it as a waste because it clearly is not. One other side note, healthcare and other things should not be put on the back burner all they need to do is be done in a good fiscal manner for the benefit of everyone, with everyones input don't you think?

 

[rightwinger]

I know your a big advocate for our own domestic energy needs and why not use this as just one more solution for those needs? Rather than see it as a waste because it clearly is not. One other side note, healthcare and other things should not be put on the back burner all they need to do is be done in a good fiscal manner for the benefit of everyone, with everyones input don't you think?

Navy.....its just a difference in priorities between us.

While I have no idea what the fuck heliumaccumulated helium--3 is, I am sure I must need it in some way. Let NASA explain to the private sector how important heliumaccumulated helium--3 is and I'm sure the private funding will pour in.

I watched every manned spaceflights when I was a kid and was proud as hell when we walked on the moon. Looking at programs like the Mars rovers, I am sold on unmanned exploration. The costs of sustaining a human safely in a space environment are prohibitive. I would just prefer the money be used elsewhere

 

[Navy1960]

In 1982, DOE’s initial estimates for characterizing three potential repository sites under the original Nuclear Waste Policy Act was in the neighborhood of $80 million per site. To date, almost $4 billion has been spent on Yucca Mountain alone, with the total cost for simply characterizing - not constructing or operating - a single repository site now estimated at over $5 billion.
YUCCA MOUNTAIN: FOLLOW THE MONEY

On 23 February 2004, the U.S. Army announced their decision to cancel the Comanche helicopter program in view of the need to provide funds to renovate the existing helicopter fleet of aging attack, utility, and reconnaissance aircraft.[10] The Army also planned to use Comanche program funds to speed up unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) development.[11] UAVs have proven their worth providing reconnaissance in support of military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. About US$6.9 billion had already been invested in the Comanche program at the time of its termination.
RAH-66 Comanche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Washington, D.C. – Today, details of the Fiscal Year 2010 budget request for the National Endowment for the Arts were submitted to Congress as part of President Obama's FY 2010 budget. The President's budget requests $161.3 million for the agency, an increase of $6.3 million or 4 percent over the NEA's FY 2009 budget of $155 million.
National Endowment for the Arts' 2010 Budget Submitted to Congress

The latest installment of Citizens Against Government Waste’s (CAGW) 19-year exposé of pork-barrel spending includes $3,800,000 for the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy; $1,900,000 for the Pleasure Beach water taxi service project; and $1,791,000 for swine odor and manure management research.

In fiscal year 2009, Congress stuffed 10,160 projects into the 12 appropriations bills worth $19.6 billion. The projects represent a 12.5 percent decrease from the 11,610 projects in fiscal year 2008. The $19.6 billion is a 14 percent increase over the fiscal year 2008 total of $17.2 billion, belying claims of reduced spending. Total pork identified by CAGW since 1991 adds up to $290 billion.

Alaska once again led the nation with $322 per capita ($221 million). The runners up were Hawaii with $235 per capita ($302 million) and North Dakota with $222 per capita ($142 million
2009 Pig Book Summary

I'm sorry right, the argument that its cost prohibitive does not sway me in the least when you consider the benefits and what I posted above. Perhaps if departments in Govt. learned to spend wisely rather than seeing their office as an excuse to print money then our nation would not havbe needed to be put into 3rd world status as a space capable nation. One more thing I might point out to you...


This is the kind of story that helps both sides of the high speed rail debate.

Overall, Amtrak is being subsidized to the tune of $32 per passenger according to a new study.

But, that includes big time losers like the line between San Antonio and Los Angeles which is losing $462 per passenger.
Amtrak Loses $32 Per Passenger

Contrast that with the sheer number of jobs, the benefits, and the national pride that comes with a project like the constellation program.

 

[MaggieMae]

Guess the President doesn't want to spend a trillion dollars on something like NASA. He'd rather spend the money on something foolish...

Yeah, like the health of humans instead of moon rocks.

The irony of this latest bitchfest is that if Obama HAD planned for a few trillion in further space exploration, the asshole cons would be screaming bloody murder that it's just another "socialist" program that will provide jobs only to gubmit employees.

 

[rightwinger]

This is the kind of story that helps both sides of the high speed rail debate.

Overall, Amtrak is being subsidized to the tune of $32 per passenger according to a new study.

But, that includes big time losers like the line between San Antonio and Los Angeles which is losing $462 per passenger.
Amtrak Loses $32 Per Passenger

Contrast that with the sheer number of jobs, the benefits, and the national pride that comes with a project like the constellation program.

I use Amtrak and take the Acela often. It is fast and easier than air travel. China has one that is twice as fast.
The problem with Amtrak is that their only profitable run is between Boston and Washington It is hard to make money when Congressmen make you maintain routes in their district regardless of how much money you are losing.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What a piece of shit this man is. A complete and absolute piece of shit...anthropogenic global warming has been debunked, so, Mr. President the "flat Earther" basically kills NASA and opts for climate monitoring. What an absolute dipshit and complete idiot. They don't get any dumber.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Do you asshats realize how much technology, both directly and indirectly has been generated by the space program over the years?

And yes, I'd rather see NASA funded than stupidity like "universal healthcare".

 

[American Horse]

Guess the President doesn't want to spend a trillion dollars on something like NASA. He'd rather spend the money on something foolish...

Yeah, like the health of humans instead of moon rocks.

The irony of this latest bitchfest is that if Obama HAD planned for a few trillion in further space exploration, the asshole cons would be screaming bloody murder that it's just another "socialist" program that will provide jobs only to gubmit employees.

To talk about funding for space in the trillions of dollars is to skew the whole reality. The funding for NASA's full budget is only 2% of your $-trillion, and in 2007 (before the current budget fractures) it amounted to only $5.00 out of a thousand. The budget changes that will cause all these planning changes to NASA's future programs only about to about seventy-five-cents out of every thousand dollars budgeted, something different entirely from what will be spent, which always exceeds on spending on budget.

For perspective about what NASA/Space Program has meant to medicine and the health of people worldwide here are some benefits:

Health and Medicine - NASA Spinoffs
DIGITAL IMAGING BREAST BIOPSY SYSTEM - The LORAD Stereo Guide Breast Biopsy system incorporates advanced Charge Coupled Devices (CCDs) as part of a digital camera system. The resulting device images breast tissue more clearly and efficiently. Known as stereotactic large-core needle biopsy, this nonsurgical system developed with Space Telescope Technology is less traumatic and greatly reduces the pain, scarring, radiation exposure, time, and money associated with surgical biopsies.

BREAST CANCER DETECTION - A solar cell sensor is positioned directly beneath x-ray film, and determines exactly when film has received sufficient radiation and has been exposed to optimum density. Associated electronic equipment then sends a signal to cut off the x-ray source. Reduction of mammography x-ray exposure reduces radiation hazard and doubles the number of patient exams per machine.

LASER ANGIOPLASTY - Laser angioplasty with a "cool" type of laser, caller an excimer laser, does not damage blood vessel walls and offers precise non-surgical cleanings of clogged arteries with extraordinary precision and fewer complications than in balloon angioplasty.

ULTRASOUND SKIN DAMAGE ASSESSMENT - Advanced instrument using NASA ultrasound technology enables immediate assessment of burn damage depth, improving patient treatment, and may save lives in serious burn cases.

HUMAN TISSUE STIMULATOR - Employing NASA satellite technology, the device is implanted in the body to help patient control chronic pain and involuntary motion disorders through electrical stimulation of targeted nerve centers or particular areas of the brain.

COOL SUIT - Custom-made suit derived from space suits circulates coolant through tubes to lower patient's body/ temperature, producing dramatic improvement of symptoms of multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, spina bifida and other conditions.

PROGRAMMABLE PACEMAKER - Incorporating multiple NASA technologies, the system consists of the implant and a physician's computer console containing the programming and a data printer. Communicates through wireless telemetry signals.

OCULAR SCREENING - NASA image processing techniques are used to detect eye problems in very young children. An electronic flash from a 35-millimeter camera sends light into the child's eyes, and a photorefractor analyzes the retinal reflexes, producing an image of each eye.

AUTOMATED URINALYSIS - NASA fluid dynamics studies helped development of system that automatically extracts and transfers sediment from urine sample to an analyzer microscope, replacing the manual centrifuge method.

MEDICAL GAS ANALYZER - Astronaut-monitoring technology used to develop system to monitor operating rooms for analysis of anesthetic gasses and measurement of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen concentrations to assure proper breathing environment for surgery patients.

VOICE-CONTROLLED WHEELCHAIR - NASA teleoperator and robot technology used to develop chair and manipulator that respond to 35 one-word voice commands utilizing a minicomputer to help patient perform daily tasks, like picking up packages, opening doors, and turning on appliances.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, and cataract surgery tools.

 

[rightwinger]

All which could be funded through direct R&D projects rather than as byproducts.

The "Tang" argument just doesn't cut it

 

[American Horse]

All which could be funded through direct R&D projects rather than as byproducts.

The "Tang" argument just doesn't cut it

For that to work you have to have a pre-conception of what can be done. These ideas "spin off" because the possibilities inspire further research and application. We are not talking about TANG here.

 

[MaggieMae]

What a piece of shit this man is. A complete and absolute piece of shit...anthropogenic global warming has been debunked, so, Mr. President the "flat Earther" basically kills NASA and opts for climate monitoring. What an absolute dipshit and complete idiot. They don't get any dumber.

Is anyone with half a brain (that seems to be us Dems, folks) surprised that this story has completely gone off the rails thanks to the right wing noise machine? Here, have a dose of truth:

House and Senate lawmakers from the three states home to NASA's lead human spaceflight centers unleashed a barrage of criticism in advance of the Feb. 1 release of Obama's 2011 budget request, which an administration official said would increase NASA spending by $6 billion over the next five years, keep the international space station in service through at least 2020, cancel the agency's 5-year-old Constellation program to build new rockets and spacecraft optimized for the Moon and fund a $6 billion effort to foster development of commercial systems for ferrying astronauts to the international space station. [1]

There will also be funding for private companies to develop capsules and rockets that can be used as space taxis, reports the Sentinel. These companies may take astronauts on fixed-price contracts to and from the International Space Station -- a major change in the way the agency has done business for the past 50 years. NASA's budget, just over $18.7 billion this year, is still expected to rise again in 2011, reports Space.com, though by much less than the $1 billion increase NASA and its contractors have been privately anticipating since mid-December. A White House-appointed panel, led by former Lockheed Martin chief Norm Augustine, urged these changes on the administration in December. The panel also said a worthwhile manned space exploration program would require Obama to budget about $55 billion for human spaceflight over the next five years, some $11 billion more than he included in the 2011-2015 forecast he sent Congress last spring. A bow shock forms around the Ares I-X test rocket traveling at supersonic speed during its Oct. 28, 2009 launch from the Kennedy Space Center, Fla. [2]


Obama to End NASA Constellation Program. - NewsFeed Researcher - space, nasa, program, programs, obama, budget, president, new, years, year, rockets

If a Republican had been president and called for more PRIVATE SECTOR support for the space program, he would be heralded as the second coming of Superman.

Now I want some con who posts here to tell me what the difference is between GOVERNMENT-RUN space programs, which provide GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS to hire employees (still paid by us, folks), and a GOVERNMENT-RUN health care system, or any other government-sponsored program which you idiots blather incessently about. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

This particular budget cut is for MOON PROJECTS. Who gives a shit about the moon? Been there, done that. The Hubble telescope has brought far more valuable information to space scientists than the rocks collected on the moon, and Hubble was almost cancelled.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What a piece of shit this man is. A complete and absolute piece of shit...anthropogenic global warming has been debunked, so, Mr. President the "flat Earther" basically kills NASA and opts for climate monitoring. What an absolute dipshit and complete idiot. They don't get any dumber.

Do you asshats realize how much technology, both directly and indirectly has been generated by the space program over the years?

And yes, I'd rather see NASA funded than stupidity like "universal healthcare".

Agreed.

NASA and the military are basically the only two government formats which provide for big time R&D that doesn't necessarily "pay off" right away.....but eventually does.... big time...think computers for example...

NASA is now to do "global warming"?

In other words....Obama wants to dictate and dedicate gubmit science to his marxist agenda....

 

[rightwinger]

All which could be funded through direct R&D projects rather than as byproducts.

The "Tang" argument just doesn't cut it

For that to work you have to have a pre-conception of what can be done. These ideas "spin off" because the possibilities inspire further research and application. We are not talking about TANG here.

All R&D programs have spin-off possibilities. NASA does not have a monopoly