One Palestinian Child has been Killed by Israel Every 3 Days for the Past 13 Years

[Ropey]

It shows that the attempt to conflate the reality of the deaths of the three Israeli to the beatings of the Palestinian child (and possibly more reactions by angry Israeli) is more of your Goebbels 101 disinformation.

Like Gama's Goebbels 101.

It's a comparative.

You're completely losing it. You're attempt to spin it into something it's not, is just dumb.

My post clearly shows a boy being beaten by Israeli authorities.

Your post clearly demonstrates another valid comparison with Nazi Germany, that any violence against Palestinian's, is acceptable.

Here we have a video of Israeli authorities beating a Palestinian boy unconscious and you can't even bring yourself to comment on it. That is prima fascia evidence, you found that beating of a child, acceptable.

You're trying to compare what's happened here with the initiating event.

The 3 Israeli youth who were kidnapped and killed and the youth in the OP.

That's what Jamal is doing too. He's saying Israel is Apartheid while the aspects of his Israeli life show the lie and the disinformation.

That you say the Jews are using when you say Israel is applying Goebbels 101 on the poor Palestinians.

That's pretty clear to me, even if you don't see it.

Why would someone using a Goebbels 101 strategy see the truth?

They wouldn't and I expect you not to either.

 

[Kondor3]

 

[Billo_Really]

You're trying to compare what's happened here with the initiating event.

The 3 Israeli youth who were kidnapped and killed and the youth in the OP.

I know what my intent was and that's not it.

That's what Jamal is doing too. He's saying Israel is Apartheid while the aspects of his Israeli life show the lie and the disinformation.

That has nothing to do with post.

That you say the Jews are using when you say Israel is applying Goebbels 101 on the poor Palestinians.

I haven't said anything about Jews.

That's pretty clear to me, even if you don't see it.

The only thing clear, is that's what you want to see.

Why would someone using a Goebbels 101 strategy see the truth?

That's why you can't see the truth, because you're actively using that strategy.

 

[Ropey]

This shows the lie very clearly as does the op.

 

[Ropey]

Coyote and billo attempting to conflate the two events as if they are one.

 

[Coyote]

It shows that the attempt to conflate the reality of the deaths of the three Israeli to the beatings of the Palestinian child (and possibly more reactions by angry Israeli) is more of your Goebbels 101 disinformation.

Like Gama's Goebbels 101.

It's a comparative.

You're completely losing it. You're attempt to spin it into something it's not, is just dumb.

My post clearly shows a boy being beaten by Israeli authorities.

Your post clearly demonstrates another valid comparison with Nazi Germany, that any violence against Palestinian's, is acceptable.

Here we have a video of Israeli authorities beating a Palestinian boy unconscious and you can't even bring yourself to comment on it. That is prima fascia evidence, you found that beating of a child, acceptable.

A valid comparison with Nazi Germany? Seriously Billo? Not even remotely.

I have real issues with the Israeli treatment of Palestinian juvaniles in the military justice system and you make some good points - but you totally destroy the credibility of those points when you start making comparisons to the Nazi's

 

[Coyote]

Coyote and billo attempting to conflate the two events as if they are one.

Well Ropey, nice to see you don't think that kidnapping and burning a 16 yr old alive is worthy of the same attention and outrage that the kidnapping and shooting of 3 Israeli teens are. Keep up the apologetics.

 

[Ropey]

This OP was created in order to counter the event of the Israeli youth being kidnapped and killed.

That's disinformation and Billo is the one who says the Jews are applying it on the Palestinians but this OP shows that's not so. It shows Billo trying to attach them and that?

That's Goebbels 101.http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...enkel-gil-ad-sha-er-eyal-yifrach-updates.html

The primary event that Billo attempts to conflate to his OP.

Fail.

 

[Ropey]

Coyote and billo attempting to conflate the two events as if they are one.

Well Ropey, nice to see you don't think that kidnapping and burning a 16 yr old alive is worthy of the same attention and outrage that the kidnapping and shooting of 3 Israeli teens are. Keep up the apologetics.

Conflating these events and then tying them together in a moral equivalence is apologetics Coyote.

You know that. You're an apologist.

 

[Coyote]

This OP was created in order to counter the event of the Israeli youth being kidnapped and killed.

That's disinformation and Billo is the one who says the Jews are applying it on the Palestinians but this OP shows that's not so. It shows Billo trying to attach them and that?

That's Goebbels 101.

Like I said Ropey. You drew me into this OP with your comment. I have not participated in this discussion or made any comments on it.

What matters is that three 16 year olds and one 19 year old have been brutally murdered. What matters is that it's possible that another 9 yr old child might have narrowly missed a similar fate. And anger and violence all around are escalating. Those situations are all comparable - not "conflated".

If you scan the list of topics you'll find quite a few created to counter this or that or make crazy claims and Nazi comparisons, yet with little commentary from you.

I think it matters when kids are killed as a result of vendettas they have no part of. I don't think it matters which side they are on.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote and billo attempting to conflate the two events as if they are one.

Well Ropey, nice to see you don't think that kidnapping and burning a 16 yr old alive is worthy of the same attention and outrage that the kidnapping and shooting of 3 Israeli teens are. Keep up the apologetics.

Conflating these events and then tying them together in a moral equivalence is apologetics Coyote.

You know that. You're an apologist.

Well Ropey, I'm sorry you don't seem to feel that the murder of an innocent 16 yr old Palestinian boy is not morally equivalent to the murder of an innocent 16 yr old Israeli boy.

That is a sad statement.

 

[irosie91]

for discussion----to be introduced with an exciting account of my own life. Long ago-
when I was young and vibrant and beautiful, I had a job that brought me into contact
with lots of people from foreign lands----especially south east asia. Being short and
having long dark hair-----gave the people from south east asia the impression that I was human.
Also---I tend to be very non-threatening. Thus the new comers liked to talk to me.

the job involved me being there weekend evenings

It was during the time of airport action----hijackings ---etc. A young Pakistani
surgeon proudly told me that no one could do anything----NOHOW---NUTHIN' NO HOW---
to stop the action because the hijackers would either escape or be killed-----so NO ONE
is responsible-----they do not claim affiliation with any country -----they do not wear a
uniform-----and no one claims them as their own---------free lance islamic terrorism is
UNSTOPPABLE he said proudly. I answered with the clear logic of a short 20 year
old--------"any people can do that---eventually people will be doing it BACK at you"

He laughed and shook his head----"no-----no they won't"

It is possible that the murder of 17 year old muhummad abu khaider was a
'back at you' operation--------I think it is likely that there will be a lot more
"back at you" operations in many areas of the world It is true that
there have been "back at you" operations for a long time in some places. -----
eg places like India, Sri Lanka etc etc ------ we saw a bit of it already in England
but and the USA ---but nothing even close in FLAMBOYANCE to that which the
followers of the rapist of mecca manage-----------

comments??......??? anyone?

 

[Ropey]

Coyote, You're still trying to compare and morally equivocate.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote, You're still trying to compare and morally equivocate.

The murders are inextricably tied and morally equivalent and that is an absolute truth I hold to.

Murdering children in this fashion is inexcusable Ropey, regardless of who the perpetrator is and who the victim is.

I'm sorry you can not find it within you to find that morally equivolent.

 

[Ropey]

You want to tie them but really the 1948 decision by the Arab coalition to call war on the fledgling state of Israel still continues and Hamas is clearly in control of the Gaza arena.

You want to say that one thing is ok because the other thing is wrong.

Meh @ Apologist methods that only further death.

 

[irosie91]

Aemnity has opined that all people have a right to defend themselves from aggression
using any means possible........... a HATFIELD response to a McCOY action is a kind
of defense-----------WHO DONE IT FIRST ------does seem to be a factor usually
considered pertinent to the issue

the case does seem very suspiciously a revenge thing-----abduct and kill ----and clumsy.

I do recall-----that there were people INDIGNANT when ---early on in the case of the
three Israeli boys----people chimed up with DA ARABS DONE IT-----and some people
did do the "MOSSAD DID IT" thing Even when it was confirmed that DA ARABS DID IT---
the cry went around ----YEAH --BUT DA JOOOOS IS EXPLOITING IT

as far as I can tell-----there really is not enough information on the
muhummad abu kaider murder ----known---or at least ---released,
to be able to draw any conclusions at all. Someone murdered a
very skinny defenseless kid in a very nasty way. My impression is ---
Muhummad abu Kaider----was actually an unlikely target for a revenge
murder--------why pick a kid who LOOKS so pathetic??? He certainly
did not look like a kid who was capable of harming anyone---on the
other hand----maybe that is just the message the murderers wanted to
convey----"we will murder your helpless ones"

 

[Ropey]

Aemnity has opined that all people have a right to defend themselves from aggression
using any means possible........... a HATFIELD response to a McCOY action is a kind
of defense-----------WHO DONE IT FIRST ------does seem to be a factor usually
considered pertinent to the issue

the case does seem very suspiciously a revenge thing-----abduct and kill ----and clumsy.

I do recall-----that there were people INDIGNANT when ---early on in the case of the
three Israeli boys----people chimed up with DA ARABS DONE IT-----and some people
did do the "MOSSAD DID IT" thing Even when it was confirmed that DA ARABS DID IT---
the cry went around ----YEAH --BUT DA JOOOOS IS EXPLOITING IT

as far as I can tell-----there really is not enough information on the
muhummad abu kaider murder ----known---or at least ---released,
to be able to draw any conclusions at all. Someone murdered a
very skinny defenseless kid in a very nasty way. My impression is ---
Muhummad abu Kaider----was actually an unlikely target for a revenge
murder--------why pick a kid who LOOKS so pathetic??? He certainly
did not look like a kid who was capable of harming anyone---on the
other hand----maybe that is just the message the murderers wanted to
convey----"we will murder your helpless ones"

It's an ugly message, but it's not Government approved.

Hamas? <--> That's why I don't get into apologist methods. I could go on and on and on over this and it means nothing will change for the good.

I'd rather discuss both separately and come to conclusions rather than just cover one thing with another thing and say they are the same things. That will NOT bring about a resolution but it is moving it towards an end result that sickens many and many of the sick are not apologists from either side.

Imho

Apologists want to tie them together and non apologists want to separate AND deal with both events.

Because both events signify a stark reality.

 

[Coyote]

Aemnity has opined that all people have a right to defend themselves from aggression
using any means possible........... a HATFIELD response to a McCOY action is a kind
of defense-----------WHO DONE IT FIRST ------does seem to be a factor usually
considered pertinent to the issue

the case does seem very suspiciously a revenge thing-----abduct and kill ----and clumsy.

I do recall-----that there were people INDIGNANT when ---early on in the case of the
three Israeli boys----people chimed up with DA ARABS DONE IT-----and some people
did do the "MOSSAD DID IT" thing Even when it was confirmed that DA ARABS DID IT---
the cry went around ----YEAH --BUT DA JOOOOS IS EXPLOITING IT

as far as I can tell-----there really is not enough information on the
muhummad abu kaider murder ----known---or at least ---released,
to be able to draw any conclusions at all. Someone murdered a
very skinny defenseless kid in a very nasty way. My impression is ---
Muhummad abu Kaider----was actually an unlikely target for a revenge
murder--------why pick a kid who LOOKS so pathetic??? He certainly
did not look like a kid who was capable of harming anyone---on the
other hand----maybe that is just the message the murderers wanted to
convey----"we will murder your helpless ones"

All of those kids that were murdered were pretty defenseless - they weren't a threat, they were easy targets and easy to subdue and unarmed. I don't think killers like these look for targets beyond the fact that they are the right ethnic group, easily taken and there at the right time.

 

[Coyote]

You want to tie them but really the 1948 decision by the Arab coalition to call war on the fledgling state of Israel still continues and Hamas is clearly in control of the Gaza arena.

You want to say that one thing is ok because the other thing is wrong.

Meh @ Apologist methods that only further death.

What you are doing Ropey is trying to words in my mouth and thoughts in my head that aren't there.

You are quite the master at this. Then, to make your point more pointed, you throw in slurs like "apologist" and "apologist" methods. Why? You can't discuss the actual issues?

Here you are bringing in several broader issues and trying to conflate them with the murders of 4 teens when in reality they are seperate issues. Yet, at the same time you are posting about how these things should all be treated seperately

4 kids were murdered for no other reason than that they were of the wrong "group". It's as simple as that and as complicated at that and that is the heart of the issue.

 

[Ropey]

You put enough words in your own mouth when you try and equivocate different things.

Meh

Your methods are not gonna save lives at the negotiation tables. They will just get more extreme views from both sides attracted to the fight and not the discussion.

That's why apologist methods suck so much.