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One more reason why there will never be a " palestinian state"
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Billo_Really
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No. I have no intention of "explaining" it, because that part of it, is true (except for your claim that the arabs "initiated" it - you're only half-right there). However, I can "add" to that, the Israeli's are guilty of the same things you're accusing the arabs of doing. They didn't do anything to defuse the situtation. That war didn't start out of a vacuum. Nassar didn't wake up one day and tell his generals, "Hey, ya know, we haven't used our tanks in while, why don't we...?"
One thing is certain, what the arabs were doing at that time, was a "reaction" to Israeli aggression, that is well documented. Nothing changes the fact that Israel fired the first shot.
That's only true if Israel was acting legally, which they weren't.
And you "forget" to mention that was in "response" to Israeli aggression in Syria.
You haven't proven shit! You talk shit, but you haven't proven it. If zionists were not grabbing lands, then why did they drive out over 750,000 indigenous arab residents from that area? Why did they declare themselves a state, when they only owned 7% of the land? It's not a lie stating you had no intention of respecting their rights, but every intention of "ethnically cleansing" the area of all non-jews.
The Gazans water supply. I accused them of polluting the Gazan's water supply, not Syria's. There's that ADD again!
I've never commented on the beginnings of the '56 war...............yet! If I have, then pony-up the post where I said that. If you can't, then go **** yourself, because you're the fuckin' liar there, buckwheat!
Jordan didn't have sovereign title to East Jerusalem! It wasn't their decision to make. Just because you're not welcome in someone else's home, doesn't make it legal for you to go in there and take it.
But if you wanna play that shit, you did the same thing at the Wailing Wall back in '27 (that led to the Hebron riots), by claiming the "Wall" yours and denying arab access to it.
I've already answered that. The issue has nothing to do with "Abbas's rights", or whatever the **** he claims. It doesn't even have anything to do with the Palestinian's right to that land. The "only" issue is, THAT IS NOT ISRAELI PROPERTY! It has nothing to do with whose property it is; it has everything to do with the fact that it is NOT ISRAEL'S! Nor, will it ever be Israel's.
Hitler didn't wanna give up Poland, so it was taken from him. The same thing is going to happen to Israel and the territory's they illegally occupy.
And constantly repeating the same bullshit mantra, is not going to help yours.
That's an easy one to answer! They respected the "borders" before the zionists showed up. The zionists smuggled in the "dis-respect", much like a drug smuggler brings in his dope in to the area he plans to do business in.
No rant is ever complete without that retarded Bush dogma, "If yer not with us, then yer against us!"**** YOU- YOU PRO - PALESTINIAN HYPOCRITE
Whenever you decide to comeback to planet earth, you will find there are more options than those.
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Billo_Really
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Is there a "worm hole" between the ME and economic forums?
Or is that just Hossfly's butt-hole, trying to change the topic again?
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No. I have no intention of "explaining" it, because that part of it, is true (except for your claim that the arabs "initiated" it - you're only half-right there). However, I can "add" to that, the Israeli's are guilty of the same things you're accusing the arabs of doing. They didn't do anything to defuse the situtation. That war didn't start out of a vacuum. Nassar didn't wake up one day and tell his generals, "Hey, ya know, we haven't used our tanks in while, why don't we...?"
One thing is certain, what the arabs were doing at that time, was a "reaction" to Israeli aggression, that is well documented. Nothing changes the fact that Israel fired the first shot.
That's only true if Israel was acting legally, which they weren't.
And you "forget" to mention that was in "response" to Israeli aggression in Syria.
You haven't proven shit! You talk shit, but you haven't proven it. If zionists were not grabbing lands, then why did they drive out over 750,000 indigenous arab residents from that area? Why did they declare themselves a state, when they only owned 7% of the land? It's not a lie stating you had no intention of respecting their rights, but every intention of "ethnically cleansing" the area of all non-jews.
The Gazans water supply. I accused them of polluting the Gazan's water supply, not Syria's. There's that ADD again!
I've never commented on the beginnings of the '56 war...............yet! If I have, then pony-up the post where I said that. If you can't, then go **** yourself, because you're the fuckin' liar there, buckwheat!
Jordan didn't have sovereign title to East Jerusalem! It wasn't their decision to make. Just because you're not welcome in someone else's home, doesn't make it legal for you to go in there and take it.
But if you wanna play that shit, you did the same thing at the Wailing Wall back in '27 (that led to the Hebron riots), by claiming the "Wall" yours and denying arab access to it.
I've already answered that. The issue has nothing to do with "Abbas's rights", or whatever the **** he claims. It doesn't even have anything to do with the Palestinian's right to that land. The "only" issue is, THAT IS NOT ISRAELI PROPERTY! It has nothing to do with whose property it is; it has everything to do with the fact that it is NOT ISRAEL'S! Nor, will it ever be Israel's.
Hitler didn't wanna give up Poland, so it was taken from him. The same thing is going to happen to Israel and the territory's they illegally occupy.
And constantly repeating the same bullshit mantra, is not going to help yours.
That's an easy one to answer! They respected the "borders" before the zionists showed up. The zionists smuggled in the "dis-respect", much like a drug smuggler brings in his dope in to the area he plans to do business in.
They ' respected' the border before the 'Zionists" showed up? So FINALLY you ADMIT they have NO INTENTION of " respecting" those borders even if the " Two State Solution" is reached !!!
No rant is ever complete without that retarded Bush dogma, "If yer not with us, then yer against us!"**** YOU- YOU PRO - PALESTINIAN HYPOCRITE
Whenever you decide to comeback to planet earth, you will find there are more options than those.
Don't like me using the " F" word yet you initiated that youd in your postings? Typical of the Pro- Palestinian Poster who states that Israel grabbed Jordan land, initiated every War, broke the " Armistice Agreement" with Egypt yet when shown they are nothing but liars they come back at you with FOUR LETTER WORDS! That is ALL THEY KNOW !
Billo_Really
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I love the f-word!Don't like me using the " F" word yet you initiated that youd in your postings? Typical of the Pro- Palestinian Poster who states that Israel grabbed Jordan land, initiated every War, broke the " Armistice Agreement" with Egypt yet when shown they are nothing but liars they come back at you with FOUR LETTER WORDS! That is ALL THEY KNOW !
It provides emphasis where other words can't.
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I love the f-word!Don't like me using the " F" word yet you initiated that youd in your postings? Typical of the Pro- Palestinian Poster who states that Israel grabbed Jordan land, initiated every War, broke the " Armistice Agreement" with Egypt yet when shown they are nothing but liars they come back at you with FOUR LETTER WORDS! That is ALL THEY KNOW !
It provides emphasis where other words can't.
Typical Big Mouth Pro Palestinian with nothing else to offer
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No. I have no intention of "explaining" it, because that part of it, is true (except for your claim that the arabs "initiated" it - you're only half-right there). However, I can "add" to that, the Israeli's are guilty of the same things you're accusing the arabs of doing. They didn't do anything to defuse the situtation. That war didn't start out of a vacuum. Nassar didn't wake up one day and tell his generals, "Hey, ya know, we haven't used our tanks in while, why don't we...?"
One thing is certain, what the arabs were doing at that time, was a "reaction" to Israeli aggression, that is well documented. Nothing changes the fact that Israel fired the first shot.
That's only true if Israel was acting legally, which they weren't.
And you "forget" to mention that was in "response" to Israeli aggression in Syria.
You haven't proven shit! You talk shit, but you haven't proven it. If zionists were not grabbing lands, then why did they drive out over 750,000 indigenous arab residents from that area? Why did they declare themselves a state, when they only owned 7% of the land? It's not a lie stating you had no intention of respecting their rights, but every intention of "ethnically cleansing" the area of all non-jews.
The Gazans water supply. I accused them of polluting the Gazan's water supply, not Syria's. There's that ADD again!
I've never commented on the beginnings of the '56 war...............yet! If I have, then pony-up the post where I said that. If you can't, then go **** yourself, because you're the fuckin' liar there, buckwheat!
Jordan didn't have sovereign title to East Jerusalem! It wasn't their decision to make. Just because you're not welcome in someone else's home, doesn't make it legal for you to go in there and take it.
But if you wanna play that shit, you did the same thing at the Wailing Wall back in '27 (that led to the Hebron riots), by claiming the "Wall" yours and denying arab access to it.
I've already answered that. The issue has nothing to do with "Abbas's rights", or whatever the **** he claims. It doesn't even have anything to do with the Palestinian's right to that land. The "only" issue is, THAT IS NOT ISRAELI PROPERTY! It has nothing to do with whose property it is; it has everything to do with the fact that it is NOT ISRAEL'S! Nor, will it ever be Israel's.
Hitler didn't wanna give up Poland, so it was taken from him. The same thing is going to happen to Israel and the territory's they illegally occupy.
And constantly repeating the same bullshit mantra, is not going to help yours.
That's an easy one to answer! They respected the "borders" before the zionists showed up. The zionists smuggled in the "dis-respect", much like a drug smuggler brings in his dope in to the area he plans to do business in.
They ' respected' the border before the 'Zionists" showed up? So FINALLY you ADMIT they have NO INTENTION of " respecting" those borders even if the " Two State Solution" is reached !!!
No rant is ever complete without that retarded Bush dogma, "If yer not with us, then yer against us!"**** YOU- YOU PRO - PALESTINIAN HYPOCRITE
Whenever you decide to comeback to planet earth, you will find there are more options than those.
Don't like me using the " F" word yet you initiated that youd in your postings? Typical of the Pro- Palestinian Poster who states that Israel grabbed Jordan land, initiated every War, broke the " Armistice Agreement" with Egypt yet when shown they are nothing but liars they come back at you with FOUR LETTER WORDS! That is ALL THEY KNOW !
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No. I have no intention of "explaining" it, because that part of it, is true (except for your claim that the arabs "initiated" it - you're only half-right there). However, I can "add" to that, the Israeli's are guilty of the same things you're accusing the arabs of doing. They didn't do anything to defuse the situtation. That war didn't start out of a vacuum. Nassar didn't wake up one day and tell his generals, "Hey, ya know, we haven't used our tanks in while, why don't we...?"
They didn't do anything to difuse the Situation the Arabs created so it's their fault? lol Typical Pro- Palestinian logic. Nasser had been threatening to use his tanks since the Mid 50's Explain it, please. They initiated the 56 War.
One thing is certain, what the arabs were doing at that time, was a "reaction" to Israeli aggression, that is well documented. Nothing changes the fact that Israel fired the first shot.
One thing is certain; they were surrounding Israel with their increasing military equipments, their threats, and sent the U.N. away. They were looking for War and got it. To infer that Israel should have just literally sat there until she was attacked from all sides is Psychotic. You claim it was " Israeli Agression" yet I have proven to you that you are a liar.
That's only true if Israel was acting legally, which they weren't.
And you "forget" to mention that was in "response" to Israeli aggression in Syria.
You haven't proven shit! You talk shit, but you haven't proven it. If zionists were not grabbing lands, then why did they drive out over 750,000 indigenous arab residents from that area? Why did they declare themselves a state, when they only owned 7% of the land? It's not a lie stating you had no intention of respecting their rights, but every intention of "ethnically cleansing" the area of all non-jews.
Translation; They had no right in the M.E. There goes that " Right of Return" lol
The Gazans water supply. I accused them of polluting the Gazan's water supply, not Syria's. There's that ADD again!
I've never commented on the beginnings of the '56 war...............yet! If I have, then pony-up the post where I said that. If you can't, then go **** yourself, because you're the fuckin' liar there, buckwheat!
YOU SAID THEY STARTED EVERY SINGLE WAR AND I HAVE JUST PROVEN YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A LIAR !!!
Jordan didn't have sovereign title to East Jerusalem! It wasn't their decision to make. Just because you're not welcome in someone else's home, doesn't make it legal for you to go in there and take it.
The U.N. Declared that the Jews had the right to go to E. Jerusalem to visit their Holy Sites. Of course this right was denied by Jordan
But if you wanna play that shit, you did the same thing at the Wailing Wall back in '27 (that led to the Hebron riots), by claiming the "Wall" yours and denying arab access to it.
Sorry, but it was the other way around. The Arabs denied the Jews access to it but I'll play your " fantasy Island" game. The Jews could have reacted the way the Arabs did IF the Arabs were denied ( the opposite was true) but they didn't
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1929 Palestine riots
Part of Background to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
During the 1929 Palestine riots, Jewish families at Jaffa Gate fleeing from the Old City of Jerusalem
Location
Safed, Hebron, Jerusalem, Jaffa
Date
23-29 August 1929
Deaths
133 Jews killed by Arab mob
110 Arabs killed by British police
Injured
339 Jews injured
232 Arabs injured by British police
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The 1929 Palestine riots, also known as the Western Wall Uprising, the 1929 Massacres, (Hebrew: מאורעות תרפ"ט, Meora'ot Tarpat, lit. Events of 5689 Anno Mundi), or the Buraq Uprising (Arabic: ثورة البراق*), refers to a series of demonstrations and riots in late August 1929 when a long-running dispute between Muslims and Jews over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem escalated into violence. The riots took the form in the most part of attacks by Arabs on Jews accompanied by destruction of Jewish property. During the week of riots from 23 to 29 August 133 Jews were killed by Arabs and 339 others were injured, while 110 Arabs were killed by British police and 232 were injured while the British were trying to suppress the riots.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
The Western Wall Tensions
Jerusalem commissioner Edward Keith-Roach
The Western Wall is one of the holiest of Jewish sites, sacred because it is a remnant of the ancient wall that once enclosed the Jewish Second Temple.[12][13] The Jews, through the practice of centuries, had established a right of access to the Wailing Wall for the purposes of their devotions. As part of the Temple Mount the Western Wall was under the control of the Muslim religious trust, the Waqf.[14] Muslims consider the wall to be part of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third holiest site in Islam, and according to Islamic tradition the place where the prophet Muhammad tied his horse, Buraq, before his night journey to heaven.[14] There had been a few serious incidents resulting from these differences.[15]
As a result of an incident, which occurred in September 1925, a ruling was given which forbade the bringing by Jews of seats and benches to the Wall even though these were intended for the support of worshippers who were aged and infirm.[15] The Muslims linked any adaptions to the site with the Zionist project, and feared that they would be the first step in turning the site into a synagogue and taking it over.[
http://Click here: 1929 Palestine riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I've already answered that. The issue has nothing to do with "Abbas's rights", or whatever the **** he claims. It doesn't even have anything to do with the Palestinian's right to that land. The "only" issue is, THAT IS NOT ISRAELI PROPERTY! It has nothing to do with whose property it is; it has everything to do with the fact that it is NOT ISRAEL'S! Nor, will it ever be Israel's.
Tell that to the Arabs who did not respect Israel's rights before 1967!! Very simply, Israel will NOT ACCEPT Borders that the Arabs themselves have NEVER accepted or respected. The Palestinians and the Israelis are supposed to be in " negotiations". The latter does not mean going back to the way it was. That will NEVER BE !!!
Hitler didn't wanna give up Poland, so it was taken from him. The same thing is going to happen to Israel and the territory's they illegally occupy.
The Arabs initiated the 67 War, Hitler invaded Poland, and this Pro- Palestinian ****** is comparing the two.
And constantly repeating the same bullshit mantra, is not going to help yours.
YAWN.... Feel the same way about you
That's an easy one to answer! They respected the "borders" before the zionists showed up. The zionists smuggled in the "dis-respect", much like a drug smuggler brings in his dope in to the area he plans to do business in.
They ' respected' the border before the 'Zionists" showed up? So FINALLY you ADMIT they have NO INTENTION of " respecting" those borders even if the " Two State Solution" is reached !!!
No rant is ever complete without that retarded Bush dogma, "If yer not with us, then yer against us!"**** YOU- YOU PRO - PALESTINIAN HYPOCRITE
Whenever you decide to comeback to planet earth, you will find there are more options than those.
Don't like me using the " F" word yet you initiated that youd in your postings? Typical of the Pro- Palestinian Poster who states that Israel grabbed Jordan land, initiated every War, broke the " Armistice Agreement" with Egypt yet when shown they are nothing but liars they come back at you with FOUR LETTER WORDS! That is ALL THEY KNOW !
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Billo_Really
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WTF are you talking about? I "offered" my rebuttal to your baseless accusation that I don't like the f-word. I "offered" the truth after you chose to lie about what I like and don't like.Typical Big Mouth Pro Palestinian with nothing else to offer
Talk about nothing to offer, after I corrected you on about a dozen points in the post before, instead of addressing the specific points I was making in my rebuttal, you go off-topic talking about the f-word.
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WTF are you talking about? I "offered" my rebuttal to your baseless accusation that I don't like the f-word. I "offered" the truth after you chose to lie about what I like and don't like.Typical Big Mouth Pro Palestinian with nothing else to offer
Talk about nothing to offer, after I corrected you on about a dozen points in the post before, instead of addressing the specific points I was making in my rebuttal, you go off-topic talking about the f-word.
6. The Israeli aggression against the water projects in Syria utilizing Israeli Air Force.
This is YOUR statement from a previous post !!!
You're the one with nothing to offer and this is my proof. You claimed you never spoke about Syria when talking about Israel's " interference" with water supply and obviously you are a liar or off your Medication.
You claimed that Israel broke the Armistice Agreement with Egypt and started every War. Again, I have proven that you are nothing but a liar. These are just a few examples.
Still haven't explained why prior to the 67 War the surrounding Arab Countries sent the U.N. away if all they wanted was " peace" and did not intend to be the agressor ( which they were), why Abbas believes he is entitled to any land within the 67 Borders that never existed and what he's offering in return.
All you have is Big Mouth who uses the F Word when cornered like a Rat
Billo_Really
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Your internet computer skills are so bad, that it has taken me literally 20 minutes to go back and weed through your convaluted posts in order to find the specific points you were trying to address. I'm not surprised I may have missed something. You need to make more of an effort to make your posts more reader friendly, if you don't want your points to go un-addressed. But if they are, just remind me and I will address them.
Now, I also went back and looked at my posts as well and found that you were correct about a reference to the "water projects in Syria" which was included in one of the links I provided.
Now, here's the part where I had to go back and copy/paste some of your earlier posts in order to address them, because your internet skills really suck!
On the issue of the Wailing Wall riots of '29:
I said they started after a bunch of zionists went down there and claimed ownership of the "Wall". You said...
I'll stop there, it's taken 40 minutes to respond to your scrambled logic and I need a beer.
Now, I also went back and looked at my posts as well and found that you were correct about a reference to the "water projects in Syria" which was included in one of the links I provided.
However, it wasn't my statement, but since it was in my link, I will take ownership over the comment. But that is the only reference to that issue. I have not personally addressed this topic in more detail. So no, I didn't lie as you claimed.
I said they started the last 6 and that their tanks rolled into Egypt and their military fired the first shot. That's a matter of historical record and is not a debatable issue. So, again, I didn't lie and there's nothing for you to prove here, except maybe that you're a taco short of a combo plate.
This is about 4 different issues in one post. If you want me to comment on this shit, then break it up to one point per issue. I have no intention of trying to inlcude everything under the sun in one post. Is it too much to ask that you make an attempt at some lucidity in your posts?
I use the f-word for a lot of things. Earlier you said I didn't like the word. Man, you waffle more than IHOP!All you have is Big Mouth who uses the F Word when cornered like a Rat
Now, here's the part where I had to go back and copy/paste some of your earlier posts in order to address them, because your internet skills really suck!
On the issue of the Wailing Wall riots of '29:
I said they started after a bunch of zionists went down there and claimed ownership of the "Wall". You said...
...which proves how retarded your are, because in your own fuckin' link, was this little diddie...
You should probably spend more time reading the links you provide, instead of cherry-picking only the parts that support your dis-information.
I'll stop there, it's taken 40 minutes to respond to your scrambled logic and I need a beer.
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You are scrambled enough without it and I can assure you it isn't due to the reponse he's written to you!
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The violence started well before then. They objected to the Israelis being there; period. However, say you're correct. When I mentioned that Jordan didn't let the Jews into E. Jerusalem as the U.N. mandated you brought up what happened in Hebron, not I. Did the Jews act like that? Did they riot and kill? The answer is " no"
Still haven't told me why Abbas feels he's entitled to ANY Land within the " 67 Borders" that were never recognized .
Billo_Really
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They did not like the zionists violating their land rights and the jewish terrorism that they brought into the area during the migration. Before that, they didn't mind jews at all living next to them.
There were no recorded incidents of major violence between the two groups before the zionists showed up.
And I told you, the issue has nothing to do with Abbas or who owns the land. The issue is the Israeli's took land that didn't belong to them. The only thing that matters about the land, is that it is not Israel's. Period. No talks. No negotiations. Just leave!
Billo_Really
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There's a job opening over at Fox, for people with your kind of homerism.
Maybe you should apply?
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Israel is NOT going to go back to borders that the Arabs themselves have never respected. Or accepted.We hear so much about"negotiations" Going back to the 67 borders is not " negotiation" and Israel will not do it
from crotch boy>>>
They did not like the zionists violating their land rights and the jewish terrorism that they brought into the area during the migration. Before that, they didn't mind jews at all living next to them.
for those who wonder how "zionists" were violating "land rights"----the answer is
that they were buying land------ie the arabs rioted and killed jews for reasons similar to
the reasons the KKK hanged black children-----because they were THERE and actually
DOING THINGS like other people do. Islamic law supports apartheid and segregation.
The purchase and ownership of land is restricted to MUSLIMS----
The genocide of armenians was legal in islamic law since some armenians object to
slavery to the filth of islam-------ie ----the genocide of armenians was something
like a quelling of a slave revolt
They did not like the zionists violating their land rights and the jewish terrorism that they brought into the area during the migration. Before that, they didn't mind jews at all living next to them.
for those who wonder how "zionists" were violating "land rights"----the answer is
that they were buying land------ie the arabs rioted and killed jews for reasons similar to
the reasons the KKK hanged black children-----because they were THERE and actually
DOING THINGS like other people do. Islamic law supports apartheid and segregation.
The purchase and ownership of land is restricted to MUSLIMS----
The genocide of armenians was legal in islamic law since some armenians object to
slavery to the filth of islam-------ie ----the genocide of armenians was something
like a quelling of a slave revolt
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What exactly do you have against Fox News? They have both Liberals and Conservatives, Democrat and Republican. I know.... They believe Israel has the Right to exist. You should apply to Al Gores's ( the Democratic Hypocrite) Favorite News Outlet Wal jazeera for a Job
Billo_Really
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States don't have rights, people do.
What exactly do you have against Fox News? They have both Liberals and Conservatives, Democrat and Republican. I know.... They believe Israel has the Right to exist. You should apply to Al Gores's ( the Democratic Hypocrite) Favorite News Outlet Wal jazeera for a Job
Fox isn't a "news outlet", they're a propaganda arm for the republican party.
Billo_Really
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For those wondering what "zionists" really were doing, a better source than our own "Tokoyo Rosie", is a famous zionist humanist living at that time and commenting on the treatment of the indigenous arab population by the settlers during the jewish migration into Palestine...
Let me see...
"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds;"
...sounds like a lot of the Israeli kiss-asses on this very board.That's what really went on back then and it's still going on now.
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