One big reason why unions are good!

[Gunny]

Lots of construction type Unions have brought back being able to "name hire" 1 member for every member they hire off the list. As a result, for the most part, if you are good you'll always have work. The dogfuckers and/or the useless have to wait for their name to cycle up the list.

"Good" being defined in whether or not you're a good little sheep and up to date on your dues.

 

[ba1614]

Lots of construction type Unions have brought back being able to "name hire" 1 member for every member they hire off the list. As a result, for the most part, if you are good you'll always have work. The dogfuckers and/or the useless have to wait for their name to cycle up the list.

"Good" being defined in whether or not you're a good little sheep and up to date on your dues.

No, "good" being defined as competent. I suppose a competent person would have their dues up to date though.

 

[Gunny]

Lots of construction type Unions have brought back being able to "name hire" 1 member for every member they hire off the list. As a result, for the most part, if you are good you'll always have work. The dogfuckers and/or the useless have to wait for their name to cycle up the list.

"Good" being defined in whether or not you're a good little sheep and up to date on your dues.

No, "good" being defined as competent. I suppose a competent person would have their dues up to date though.

Dude, you can sell that crap to someone else. The unions are like the US government ... they surpassed any good they might have done originally with their self-supporting greed.

Union employees are clock-punchers. A perfect example of socialist mediocrity. Those of us that don't follow the herd for the promise of a pasture get twice as much done with the same quality and nobody's skimming my check.

Your statement is a perfect example. "Competent?" I don't accept mere "competence" from myself nor any of my crews. You try that "competent" shit on me and you'll find yourself sitting back at the shop wondering why there's no work for you.

 

[oreo]

My sister works for rite aid and her store recently joined the ufcw and she was telling me the other night how her higher ups fucked her and a few others out of hours this week and next. The took someone in from a recently closed rite aid and this person bitched that they wanted 40 hours(which they didnt have and should not have hired her) so they did it and cut staff hours to fit her in. WELL only problem is they went around the union and its by laws to do it when they should have put it up to a union vote meaning this person was brought in illegally, totally disregarding union rules which state it has to go to a full vote....this time its not a case of unions doing wrong but corporate ******* over the little guys and saying we dont care about you, the union steward is fighting it for them and if all goes well my sis and the others will get back pay.

I didn't know Rite-Aid was a union company. Maybe that's why they did not survive in my state of Colorado? One would open up & close a few months later--laying off all employees.

But reading your post it specifically states: That this woman belonged to the union at Rite Aid & at a Rite Aid store that recently closed & she went to your sisters store & they hired her. This is what your complaint is. I imagine that there is some by-law within the union that forced management to hire this woman? Maybe it was senority--maybe it was more education--or a by-law within the union regarding "sharing hours during slow-downs."

But you crack me up by being a supporter of the union & a democrat at the same time: As your speaker of the house recently was caught giving this speech to a bunch of Illegals in San Francisco: Out of the mouth of Nancy Pelosi--democrat--speaker of the house.

"EXCLUSIVE: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi recently told a group of both legal and illegal immigrants and their families that enforcement of existing immigration laws, as currently practiced, is "un-American."

The speaker, condemning raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, referred to the illegal immigrants she was addressing as "very, very patriotic."

Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

 

[DiveCon]

My sister works for rite aid and her store recently joined the ufcw and she was telling me the other night how her higher ups fucked her and a few others out of hours this week and next. The took someone in from a recently closed rite aid and this person bitched that they wanted 40 hours(which they didnt have and should not have hired her) so they did it and cut staff hours to fit her in. WELL only problem is they went around the union and its by laws to do it when they should have put it up to a union vote meaning this person was brought in illegally, totally disregarding union rules which state it has to go to a full vote....this time its not a case of unions doing wrong but corporate ******* over the little guys and saying we dont care about you, the union steward is fighting it for them and if all goes well my sis and the others will get back pay.

I didn't know Rite-Aid was a union company. Maybe that's why they did not survive in my state of Colorado? One would open up & close a few months later--laying off all employees.

But reading your post it specifically states: That this woman belonged to the union at Rite Aid & at a Rite Aid store that recently closed & she went to your sisters store & they hired her. This is what your complaint is. I imagine that there is some by-law within the union that forced management to hire this woman? Maybe it was senority--maybe it was more education--or a by-law within the union regarding "sharing hours during slow-downs."

But you crack me up by being a supporter of the union & a democrat at the same time: As your speaker of the house recently was caught giving this speech to a bunch of Illegals in San Francisco: Out of the mouth of Nancy Pelosi--democrat--speaker of the house.

"EXCLUSIVE: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi recently told a group of both legal and illegal immigrants and their families that enforcement of existing immigration laws, as currently practiced, is "un-American."

The speaker, condemning raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, referred to the illegal immigrants she was addressing as "very, very patriotic."

Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

exactly, it is likely a union reason they transfered this person in
and the union will likely not do squat for his sister

 

[ba1614]

"Good" being defined in whether or not you're a good little sheep and up to date on your dues.

No, "good" being defined as competent. I suppose a competent person would have their dues up to date though.

Dude, you can sell that crap to someone else. The unions are like the US government ... they surpassed any good they might have done originally with their self-supporting greed.

Union employees are clock-punchers. A perfect example of socialist mediocrity. Those of us that don't follow the herd for the promise of a pasture get twice as much done with the same quality and nobody's skimming my check.

Your statement is a perfect example. "Competent?" I don't accept mere "competence" from myself nor any of my crews. You try that "competent" shit on me and you'll find yourself sitting back at the shop wondering why there's no work for you.

You mean non-union workplaces don't have "clock-punchers" and are places of joy where everyone is happy?

If someone does a job to the quality, and within the guidelines you expect, then they are "competent". There are those that do competent work at just an adequate level, (which isn't acceptable by me either), but it sure as hell isn't exclusive to union.

I'll agree there's useless people in the unions, lots of 'em, but lumping all of them in the same boat is like saying all non-union employers take advantage of their employees, just because some do.

Also, if not for unions, and the fear of being unionized, you can bet your ass that many people in non-union places of business would be making a whole lot less than they currently do.

 

[DiveCon]

No, "good" being defined as competent. I suppose a competent person would have their dues up to date though.

Dude, you can sell that crap to someone else. The unions are like the US government ... they surpassed any good they might have done originally with their self-supporting greed.

Union employees are clock-punchers. A perfect example of socialist mediocrity. Those of us that don't follow the herd for the promise of a pasture get twice as much done with the same quality and nobody's skimming my check.

Your statement is a perfect example. "Competent?" I don't accept mere "competence" from myself nor any of my crews. You try that "competent" shit on me and you'll find yourself sitting back at the shop wondering why there's no work for you.

You mean non-union workplaces don't have "clock-punchers" and are places of joy where everyone is happy?

If someone does a job to the quality, and within the guidelines you expect, then they are "competent". There are those that do competent work at just an adequate level, (which isn't acceptable by me either), but it sure as hell isn't exclusive to union.

I'll agree there's useless people in the unions, lots of 'em, but lumping all of them in the same boat is like saying all non-union employers take advantage of their employees, just because some do.

Also, if not for unions, and the fear of being unionized, you can bet your ass that many people in non-union places of business would be making a whole lot less than they currently do.

maybe they would be making less, but things wouldnt cost as much either

 

[Gunny]

No, "good" being defined as competent. I suppose a competent person would have their dues up to date though.

Dude, you can sell that crap to someone else. The unions are like the US government ... they surpassed any good they might have done originally with their self-supporting greed.

Union employees are clock-punchers. A perfect example of socialist mediocrity. Those of us that don't follow the herd for the promise of a pasture get twice as much done with the same quality and nobody's skimming my check.

Your statement is a perfect example. "Competent?" I don't accept mere "competence" from myself nor any of my crews. You try that "competent" shit on me and you'll find yourself sitting back at the shop wondering why there's no work for you.

You mean non-union workplaces don't have "clock-punchers" and are places of joy where everyone is happy?

If someone does a job to the quality, and within the guidelines you expect, then they are "competent". There are those that do competent work at just an adequate level, (which isn't acceptable by me either), but it sure as hell isn't exclusive to union.

I'll agree there's useless people in the unions, lots of 'em, but lumping all of them in the same boat is like saying all non-union employers take advantage of their employees, just because some do.

Also, if not for unions, and the fear of being unionized, you can bet your ass that many people in non-union places of business would be making a whole lot less than they currently do.

Take much time building that strawman? I never said any workplace was some place of joy where everyone's happy.

People fear what they don't have the balls to do something about. This was a union town when I was growing up. They got broken. The pitiful payoff later is not worth the cost NOW.

Employees are employees. They'll give what's expected of them. A bigger fear than the union is not having some bureaucratic goober bitching when you lay someone off. Out here, you produce or you're gone.

 

[Yukon]

Too bad most of you earn minimum wage, have no health insurance, and live in a Trailer Park. But what the heck, you can still carry your gun.

 

[midcan5]

Unions are like laws, locks, lawyers, stop signs, rules, governments, contracts, and regulations, sometimes inefficient but necessary until everyone is a saint and honors all the previous. Until then they will be required or seen as a potential threat to the fascist cheap labor conservative republicans and other social darwinists who created all they have out of nada. Good for them btw. When everyone becomes a saint let us know.

The Little Red Hen: A Closer look at a Conservative Fable | Conceptual Guerilla

 

[editec]

Good unions which work on behalf of their members are a good thing.

Bad unions which don't work on behalf of their members are a bad thing.

Duh!

 

[Yukon]

I am amused by the people here who make feeble attempts to rip on unions and union members. Union workers are perfectly compensated and work perfectly hard. I realize a lot of you have to work too hard for not enough but it is the economic system in place that is screwing you over and you should be angry with the evil merchants of death in charge and not with people who are working and earning a reasonable amount.

All slave owners oppose unions so if you choose to align yourself with slave owners it proves you are a racist fool. And to all the union people here at US Message - don't listen to the negative trash being shot out here...the smart people know you provide value to society. Let us therefor keep up the good work!

 

[sealybobo]

My sister works for rite aid and her store recently joined the ufcw and she was telling me the other night how her higher ups fucked her and a few others out of hours this week and next. The took someone in from a recently closed rite aid and this person bitched that they wanted 40 hours(which they didnt have and should not have hired her) so they did it and cut staff hours to fit her in. WELL only problem is they went around the union and its by laws to do it when they should have put it up to a union vote meaning this person was brought in illegally, totally disregarding union rules which state it has to go to a full vote....this time its not a case of unions doing wrong but corporate ******* over the little guys and saying we dont care about you, the union steward is fighting it for them and if all goes well my sis and the others will get back pay.

yep,, I gotta admit,, giving someone a job is one big giant **** up.. go unions!

We don't want your crappy low paying jobs with no benefits.

I'd rather 75 people make $50K where you think it is better that 100 people make $40K. Well, you are wrong. Quality of life. A living wage.

If they want to cut costs, cut the CEO's pay. Or is that SOCIALISM!!!

 

[sealybobo]

I am amused by the people here who make feeble attempts to rip on unions and union members. Union workers are perfectly compensated and work perfectly hard. I realize a lot of you have to work too hard for not enough but it is the economic system in place that is screwing you over and you should be angry with the evil merchants of death in charge and not with people who are working and earning a reasonable amount.

All slave owners oppose unions so if you choose to align yourself with slave owners it proves you are a racist fool. And to all the union people here at US Message - don't listen to the negative trash being shot out here...the smart people know you provide value to society. Let us therefor keep up the good work!

It has become taboo to defend unions, just like they made liberal a dirty word.

They have been demonizing unions since they started. They talk about the lazy ones who are protected by the union and it is costing the company and therefore the consumer.

Meanwhile, the executives are making $500K - $20 million a year.

Unions would be wise to stop defending drug addicts or people who don't work. They should get rid of their few bad apples. And job banks are not realistic. But other than that, unions are great. Even if you are not in a union, which I am not, you can still thank them for raising your wages. If it weren't for unions, we'd all be making $5 hr.

 

[manu1959]

name the most successfull fortune 500 union company....

name the most successfull fortune 500 non union company....

name the richest union member....

name the richest non union member....

 

[Hillbilly]

Unions are great. I love that 300 million Americans get to pay an extra $5,000 for their car so that 80,000 factory fatcats can make 5 times what their job should pay in Detroit. It's well worth it for me.

 

[Yukon]

HillBilly,

Do you work or are you on welfare?

 

[Hillbilly]

HillBilly,

Do you work or are you on welfare?

I live off of other people's welfare.

 

[JimJones]

Good to see that the union steward is fighting for your sister's rights. What the anti-union retards don't understand is that the Labor Contract is legally binding. Management cannot just disregard it to save a few beans, no more than they can just stop paying on their bonds... well they can, but again, they'd be in deep shit for that too.

Labor Contract is legally binding ?? I'm sorry, Obama has put a nice dent into contract law. No longer is your mortgage a binding contract, if they can be reworked. The AIG workers had a contract for Bonus, which was more or less cancelled via the gov. How about Chrysler investors that were told to take pennies on the dollar, where the gov is going to back the union pentions but not the investors. This is Total BS. Only in a bankruptcy can the gov force a company to rework a contract.

This is America correct. Contracts are between two parties not two parties and the government.

 

[Vel]

This is America correct. Contracts WERE between two parties not two parties and the government.

Hi. I corrected your statement to match life in the Obamanation.