On May 8th, Germany had so much renewable energy...

[BULLDOG]

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks, it would have never become a viable energy source. Over the past century, the federal government has pumped more than $470 Billion into the oil and gas industry in the form of generous, never ending tax breaks.
There will be subsidies: A brief history of tax breaks for oil companies

basically you are complaining about depreciation in a specific industry. Depreciation is used in other industries as a write off as well. What the depletion allowance did was give it a quantifiable measurement for drilling and well operations.

1926 Congress approves the "depletion allowance," which lets oil producers deduct more than a quarter of their gross revenues. Texas Sen. Tom Connally, who sponsored the break, later admits, "We could have taken a 5 or 10 percent figure, but we grabbed 27.5 percent because we were not only hogs but the odd figure made it appear as though it was scientifically arrived at."

So companies in the business of making money went with an offer to make more money...

Scandalous....

I thought you RWNJs were against giving away federal money for no good reason.

Allowing tax deductions is not giving away money. giving away money is giving away money (i.e. a payout).

Don;t be silly.

 

[martybegan]

basically you are complaining about depreciation in a specific industry. Depreciation is used in other industries as a write off as well. What the depletion allowance did was give it a quantifiable measurement for drilling and well operations.

1926 Congress approves the "depletion allowance," which lets oil producers deduct more than a quarter of their gross revenues. Texas Sen. Tom Connally, who sponsored the break, later admits, "We could have taken a 5 or 10 percent figure, but we grabbed 27.5 percent because we were not only hogs but the odd figure made it appear as though it was scientifically arrived at."

So companies in the business of making money went with an offer to make more money...

Scandalous....

I thought you RWNJs were against giving away federal money for no good reason.

Allowing tax deductions is not giving away money. giving away money is giving away money (i.e. a payout).

Don;t be silly.

Tax deductions are only "giving away money" if you are of the belief that government owns all our money anyway, and they generously "give" some of it to us as a sign of their benevolence.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One day huh?
So what are ya gonna do about the other 364 days?

Germany's at 33% average renewable energy and going higher all the time. Let me ask you this.

What is the POINT of opposing renewable energy development?

it's opposing forcing technology that hasn't matured yet at the expense of proven technology in the name of all holy AGW.

If the technology was able to stand on its own, without subsides and at a lower cost and higher reliability then non renewable sources, most of us wouldn't have an issue.

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks, it would have never become a viable energy source. Over the past century, the federal government has pumped more than $470 Billion into the oil and gas industry in the form of generous, never ending tax breaks.
There will be subsidies: A brief history of tax breaks for oil companies

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks,

Deducting typical business expenses isn't a tax break or subsidy.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

One day huh?
So what are ya gonna do about the other 364 days?

Germany's at 33% average renewable energy and going higher all the time. Let me ask you this.

What is the POINT of opposing renewable energy development?

it's opposing forcing technology that hasn't matured yet at the expense of proven technology in the name of all holy AGW.

If the technology was able to stand on its own, without subsides and at a lower cost and higher reliability then non renewable sources, most of us wouldn't have an issue.

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks, it would have never become a viable energy source. Over the past century, the federal government has pumped more than $470 Billion into the oil and gas industry in the form of generous, never ending tax breaks.
There will be subsidies: A brief history of tax breaks for oil companies

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks,

Deducting typical business expenses isn't a tax break or subsidy.

Not only that the government makes more on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do.

 

[BULLDOG]

One day huh?
So what are ya gonna do about the other 364 days?

Germany's at 33% average renewable energy and going higher all the time. Let me ask you this.

What is the POINT of opposing renewable energy development?

it's opposing forcing technology that hasn't matured yet at the expense of proven technology in the name of all holy AGW.

If the technology was able to stand on its own, without subsides and at a lower cost and higher reliability then non renewable sources, most of us wouldn't have an issue.

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks, it would have never become a viable energy source. Over the past century, the federal government has pumped more than $470 Billion into the oil and gas industry in the form of generous, never ending tax breaks.
There will be subsidies: A brief history of tax breaks for oil companies

If oil hadn't received massive tax breaks,

Deducting typical business expenses isn't a tax break or subsidy.

Not only that the government makes more on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do.

Link?

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, here we go again. The 'Conservatives' either oblivious to what the technology is doing, or just plain lying to protect their ideology concerning coal and oil.

Tesla now has grid scale batteries for sale at $250 per kw/hr, in 500 kw/hr to 10 mw/hr packages. Eos has $160 kw/hr for large orders, $200 kw/hr for smaller ones.

Eos Energy Storage introduces grid-scale battery system at $160/kWh
22 January 2015
Eos Energy Storage announced the commercial availability of its MW-scale Aurora system for deliveries starting in 2016. Eos’s standard Aurora 1000|4000 product, a containerized 1 MW DC battery system providing four continuous hours of discharge, offers a cost-effective energy storage solution competitive with gas peaking generation and utility distribution infrastructure. The Aurora 1000|4000 will be sold at a price of $160/kWh in volume.

The Aurora product employs Eos’s patented Znyth battery technology that uses a safe aqueous electrolyte and a novel zinc-hybrid cathode to enable extremely low-cost electricity storage and long life. Eos’s grid-scale product is designed to reliably integrate renewable energy, improve grid efficiency and resiliency, and reduce costs for utilities and consumers

Green Car Congress: Eos Energy Storage introduces grid-scale battery system at $160/kWh

As expected, Musk also announced a second battery product for the grid – the PowerPack. While there appears to be little detail yet compared to the PowerWall, Musk confirmed that the PowerPack will be a 100 kWh battery that can be stacked to scale up to a gigawatt-class system. Musk said these utility and industrial-scale batteries cost $250 per kilowatt-hour — meaning the 100 kWh PowerPack is ostensibly priced at $25,000.

All you need to know about Tesla's big battery announcement

How Can Batteries Enhance the Power Grid?

Power demand in Texas is uneven. Because most Texans power down when they go to sleep at night, demand drops considerably, and power plants can sit idle. During the day, demand increases so greatly that its potential to outstrip capacity–resulting in the occasional power outage–is an ongoing threat. Power generation is uneven, as well, as Texas gets a growing amount of its energy from alternative sources, like solar and wind power. It’s clean and green, but unfortunately these sources can be intermittent. Sometimes the sun shines and the wind blows, and sometimes, not so much.

With their ability to store a surplus of energy and then feed it back into the grid when necessary, utility-scale batteries can solve the problems of both intermittent supply and cyclical demand. Power plants can operate on a more smoothed-out schedule of 24 hours, instead of cranking frantically in the daytime and foundering listlessly at night. Solar arrays and wind farms, such as Duke Power’s Notrees wind farm, with its 36-megawatt battery facility, can store power generated at peak weather to help ease demand on the grid even in non-ideal conditions, such as those hot summer days with nary a breeze to alleviate a jump in air-conditioning use.

One of the main supporting factors behind Oncor’s push to get batteries into the grid is that the cost for the batteries is forecast to be lower by 2018 than previously projected. Electric car manufacturer Tesla, with whom Oncor is in talks, will be producing industrial-sized batteries at its new “Gigafactory” battery production facility in Nebraska, scheduled to open in 2017. A study conducted by The Brattle Group estimates that the lower outlay of costs, along with the ability to bring in revenue by renting storage space on the batteries and a reduction in power prices, would likely result in a savings for power customers of 34 cents per month off the average bill. Consumers would benefit both from a more consistent and reliable source of energy and a small reduction in their utility expenses.

Oncor is responsible for transmitting power to most North Texas including the Dallas and Fort Worth areas.

Oncor Proposes Battery Storage for Texas Electricity Grid

Obviously we can make wind and solar 24/7. And we can do it in a way that will cost the consumer less. In the meantime, you go ahead and chant, 'We can't do it, it is too hard'. The hell with you, we will do it because it is hard, and we are Americans. That is how we met the challenge to go to the moon.

 

[bripat9643]

...it had to pay people to use electricity.

"On Sunday, May 8, Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. Thanks to a sunny and windy day, at one point around 1pm the country’s solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying about 55 GW of the 63 GW being consumed, or 87%.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity."

While conservatives stonewall progress in this country, with lame excuses, nitpicking imperfections, and simply lying,

the rest of the world is moving ahead.

Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

Later that night solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying were supplying 0% of the power. Germany had to pay 300% the market rate for imported coal fired power from Poland.

 

[bripat9643]

One day huh?
So what are ya gonna do about the other 364 days?

Germany's at 33% average renewable energy and going higher all the time. Let me ask you this.

What is the POINT of opposing renewable energy development?

Their utility bills are 3 times what we pay. That's the point, moron.

 

[hauke]

you have to either have a very good storage , to store the exess energy of extreme high days for extreme low days, or you just build a cappacity which is enough for average days,and have a grid so if theres no wind in new york the huricane in florida compensates, or the super sunny day in arizona. + maybe some facilities to convert seawater to Hydrogen and oxygen so rocketfuel gets real cheap.

these ignorant argument that you don t have sunnydays with wind in your little county is so stupid considering that the technology is available to build Continental electric Grids... oops they allready exist.

 

[hauke]

Their utility bills are 3 times what we pay. That's the point, moron.[/QUOTE]

your utility bills don t include the Bill your paying for the global climate catastrophe, your medical bills because of your health problems from the exausts from coal, oil and gas powerplants, nor are the utilities paying for the storage of the nuclear waste in the next 1 million years... think about that

 

[hauke]

and last but not least having electricity 3x as expensive as in the USA makes German manufacturers produce machines and goods which are much more energy efficent. they use manufacturing processes which are much more energy efficent.

in fact energy in germany has been more expensive then in the USA for the last 100 years.

which is the reason that german products are hightec super efficent.

and world sellers. and why american manufacturing is so down.

because the energy is so cheap in america, american products suck. nobody wants them, they want the shiny hightech made in germany. energy efficent and great quality. plus that germany produces windenergy powerplants for export, and solarcellls, and sollar cell production technology.

why where german exporting more then they import again ?

hows the trade defficit of the USA ?