ok i knew they were waterboarding but.........

[manu1959]

couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

Pelosi defense: couldn't object in '03 - Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

Pelosi has disputed a CIA document, released last week, that shows she was briefed in September 2002 on the “particular” interrogation techniques the United States had used on Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi has said she was told then only that the Bush administration was considering using certain techniques in the future — and that it had the legal authority to do so.

 

[Iriemon]

couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

Pelosi defense: couldn't object in '03 - Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

Pelosi has disputed a CIA document, released last week, that shows she was briefed in September 2002 on the “particular” interrogation techniques the United States had used on Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi has said she was told then only that the Bush administration was considering using certain techniques in the future — and that it had the legal authority to do so.

As much as you might be angry with Pelosi for not being aware of the illegality of what was going on and/or for not taking greater action to prevent it; you must be angier at the Bush Administration and "Justice" officials who directly facilitated and authorized these practices.

 

[Pyrite]

This whole thing is similar to the old tale of the man who strangles his wife to death, and then turns to his shocked friend, saying "you didn't stop me, you're culpable too."

 

[manu1959]

couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

Pelosi defense: couldn't object in '03 - Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

Pelosi has disputed a CIA document, released last week, that shows she was briefed in September 2002 on the “particular” interrogation techniques the United States had used on Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi has said she was told then only that the Bush administration was considering using certain techniques in the future — and that it had the legal authority to do so.

As much as you might be angry with Pelosi for not being aware of the illegality of what was going on and/or for not taking greater action to prevent it; you must be angier at the Bush Administration and "Justice" officials who directly facilitated and authorized these practices.

not really.....i have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with....

 

[manu1959]

This whole thing is similar to the old tale of the man who strangles his wife to death, and then turns to his shocked friend, saying "you didn't stop me, you're culpable too."

more like he told his friend he was going to strangle his wife....then went and did it....

except in this case no one died of strangulation....

 

[Ravi]

Here is Harman's letter. It is impossible to know if she is talking about waterboarding. If anyone knows what the redacted portion says feel free to post it.

Representative Jane Harman’s Letter to CIA General Counsel Muller - Council on Foreign Relations

Who is a person familiar with the situation?

I'd like to know the truth about this but so far I've seen nothing.

 

[WillowTree]

couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

Pelosi defense: couldn't object in '03 - Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

Pelosi has disputed a CIA document, released last week, that shows she was briefed in September 2002 on the “particular” interrogation techniques the United States had used on Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi has said she was told then only that the Bush administration was considering using certain techniques in the future — and that it had the legal authority to do so.

Will Cheney give her the top bunk doyathink?

 

[xotoxi]

not really.....i have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with....

If you have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with, then why did you call Pelosi a douchebag for not stopping them from waterboarding?

ok i knew they were waterboarding but......... couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

 

[WillowTree]

not really.....i have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with....

If you have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with, then why did you call Pelosi a douchebag for not stopping them from waterboarding?

ok i knew they were waterboarding but......... couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

because she is a lying DUchebag.

 

[Vel]

couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

Pelosi defense: couldn't object in '03 - Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

Pelosi has disputed a CIA document, released last week, that shows she was briefed in September 2002 on the “particular” interrogation techniques the United States had used on Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi has said she was told then only that the Bush administration was considering using certain techniques in the future — and that it had the legal authority to do so.

As much as you might be angry with Pelosi for not being aware of the illegality of what was going on and/or for not taking greater action to prevent it; you must be angier at the Bush Administration and "Justice" officials who directly facilitated and authorized these practices.

Uh, not at all. The problem with Pelosi is the sheer hypocrisy she's displayed. My personal opionion is that the Bush Administration and "Justice" officials did what they felt they had to in order to prevent this nation's people from taking another hit.

 

[manu1959]

not really.....i have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with....

If you have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with, then why did you call Pelosi a douchebag for not stopping them from waterboarding?

ok i knew they were waterboarding but......... couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

 

[Ravi]

not really.....i have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with....

If you have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with, then why did you call Pelosi a douchebag for not stopping them from waterboarding?

ok i knew they were waterboarding but......... couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

And you still have no evidence that she did.

 

[manu1959]

If you have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with, then why did you call Pelosi a douchebag for not stopping them from waterboarding?

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

And you still have no evidence that she did.

first she said she had no knowledge......

then she said she knew that it might be used...

now they say she knew but didn't want to say anything......

anyway...you have no evidence she didn't.....and since she lied once.....she can't be believed...

 

[Iriemon]

couldn't say anything.....what a douchebag....

Pelosi defense: couldn't object in '03 - Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

Pelosi has disputed a CIA document, released last week, that shows she was briefed in September 2002 on the “particular” interrogation techniques the United States had used on Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi has said she was told then only that the Bush administration was considering using certain techniques in the future — and that it had the legal authority to do so.

As much as you might be angry with Pelosi for not being aware of the illegality of what was going on and/or for not taking greater action to prevent it; you must be angier at the Bush Administration and "Justice" officials who directly facilitated and authorized these practices.

Uh, not at all. The problem with Pelosi is the sheer hypocrisy she's displayed. My personal opionion is that the Bush Administration and "Justice" officials did what they felt they had to in order to prevent this nation's people from taking another hit.

What hypocrisy? Was Pelosi calling for Bush admin folks to be prosecuted for allowing waterboarding?

 

[Ravi]

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

And you still have no evidence that she did.

first she said she had no knowledge......

then she said she knew that it might be used...

now they say she knew but didn't want to say anything......

anyway...you have no evidence she didn't.....and since she lied once.....she can't be believed...

Where is her quote saying she knew it might be used?

What you seem to have is a bunch of speculation and comments from unnamed sources. I can't even say she lied once, and neither can you. But you believe it...for your own reasons.

I'd like to know the truth of the matter, and like I said, there hasn't been anything but speculation.

 

[txlonghorn]

If you have no problem with the way the terrorists were dealt with, then why did you call Pelosi a douchebag for not stopping them from waterboarding?

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

And you still have no evidence that she did.

It's already be proven in documentation that she was briefed more than once on the practice. She flat out lied and denied having seen or heard any such information. I have to go with Manu on this one....she's a lying douchebag.

 

[Iriemon]

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

And you still have no evidence that she did.

first she said she had no knowledge......

then she said she knew that it might be used...

now they say she knew but didn't want to say anything......

anyway...you have no evidence she didn't.....and since she lied once.....she can't be believed...

I got the impression you thought she hadn't done her job or something. So what if she knew about it. Unless she knew it was illegal or she had some role in authorizing the conduct, bfd.

 

[Ravi]

i didn't see where i gave that reason .... she said she never knew...

And you still have no evidence that she did.

It's already be proven in documentation that she was briefed more than once on the practice. She flat out lied and denied having seen or heard any such information. I have to go with Manu on this one....she's a lying douchebag.

Nope, the documents that were released were unclear and so was the FBI...they admitted they didn't know what she was told.

 

[Iriemon]

And you still have no evidence that she did.

It's already be proven in documentation that she was briefed more than once on the practice. She flat out lied and denied having seen or heard any such information. I have to go with Manu on this one....she's a lying douchebag.

Nope, the documents that were released were unclear and so was the FBI...they admitted they didn't know what she was told.

I've never seen anything that detailed what she was briefed about either.

If she was told they were going to use "enhanced techniques" and that they were legal, I'm not sure how much blame Pelosi deserves. Is she some expert in torture law? Did she have some role to play in authorizing whether or not to use these techniques? Was she informed that people had previously been prosecuted for them by our government?

Unless there is evidence that she was told what they were doing, had some capability to stop it or not authorize it, and had reason to know that the techniques they were using were in fact of suspect legality, I don't know why she would be expected to shoulder a lot of the blame for it occurring.

And the irony is that a lot of the folks who are bitching about Pelosi not taking action to stop this seem to be in favor that it occurred, so what is the complaint from them, expect to divert attention from the real actors who authorized and facilitated these practices.

 

[manu1959]

It's already be proven in documentation that she was briefed more than once on the practice. She flat out lied and denied having seen or heard any such information. I have to go with Manu on this one....she's a lying douchebag.

Nope, the documents that were released were unclear and so was the FBI...they admitted they didn't know what she was told.

I've never seen anything that detailed what she was briefed about either.

If she was told they were going to use "enhanced techniques" and that they were legal, I'm not sure how much blame Pelosi deserves. Is she some expert in torture law? Did she have some role to play in authorizing whether or not to use these techniques? Was she informed that people had previously been prosecuted for them by our government?

Unless there is evidence that she was told what they were doing, had some capability to stop it or not authorize it, and had reason to know that the techniques they were using were in fact of suspect legality, I don't know why she would be expected to shoulder a lot of the blame for it occurring.

And the irony is that a lot of the folks who are bitching about Pelosi not taking action to stop this seem to be in favor that it occurred, so what is the complaint from them, expect to divert attention from the real actors who authorized and facilitated these practices.

she deserves no blame or credit ..... she should not keep changing her story though.....that is what makes her a douche...