OK, enough of the DC pissing contest, it's time for good government, where are the adults? (Poll)

[kyzr]

The Federal government shutdown has been going on for more than a week with no end in sight.
Republicans say pass the "clean CR", period.
Democrats say "put back the $1.5T of spending that was cut by the BBB, including restoring the ACA subsidies", period.

The problem is that we have too many lawyers and not enough "genius" in congress, we need "Problem Solvers", not "ideologues".

If congress was working in private industry there would be no shutdown, that wastes money, a deal would have been cut already, "one way or another".

Republicans are the majority, they need to push for a solution to end the shutdown:
1. Go nuclear and say "CRs only need 51 votes". A very wimpy solution, it just guarantees more CRs
2. Go nuclear for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescission Bills. A less wimpy solution, but it may bite them in the ass in the future.
3. Publish a proposed deal, let the MSM grade it, and dare the democrats to walk away.
Go for a "WIN-WIN Grand Bargain" that solves several of the major problems, Republicans should put these on the table:
a) Fix Social Security by raising the cap and adding 2-years to the early & full retirement ages
b) Fix Medicare (going bankrupt)
c) Give the ACA subsidy at 50% of the current Covid subsidy (half a loaf)
d) Pay for the subsidy by raising the top tax rate to 40%, Trump agrees, it helps balance the budget.
e) Appropriations Bills and CRs only need 51 votes to pass. (solves future unnecessary shutdowns)


If the democrats don't put up a suitable counter offer, just go with option #2. End the shutdown now.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-09-25

Stand-off continues more than a week into the government shutdown​

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Good government ended on 21 January 2025, simp.

This is just going to continue to be a ridiculous shit show, at least until January 2029. It doesn't matter if the government is open or not.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The shutdown hasn't effected me at all.

It's all just showmanship and so called politicians being ridiculous

 

[kyzr]

The shutdown hasn't effected me at all.
It's all just showmanship and so called politicians being ridiculous

True, except for the government and military families that are affected.

Shutdowns are a waste of taxpayer money. Congress looks stupid and dysfunctional. Did you see the argument between Hakeem Jeffries and that CA congressman? Ridiculous.

 

[Crepitus]

The Federal government shutdown has been going on for more than a week with no end in sight.
Republicans say pass the "clean CR", period.
Democrats say "put back the $1.5T of spending that was cut by the BBB, including restoring the ACA subsidies", period.

The problem is that we have too many lawyers and not enough "genius" in congress, we need "Problem Solvers", not "ideologues".

If congress was working in private industry there would be no shutdown, that wastes money, a deal would have been cut already, "one way or another".

Republicans are the majority, they need to push for a solution to end the shutdown:
1. Go nuclear and say "CRs only need 51 votes". A very wimpy solution, it just guarantees more CRs
2. Go nuclear for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescission Bills. A less wimpy solution, but it may bite them in the ass in the future.
3. Publish a proposed deal, let the MSM grade it, and dare the democrats to walk away.
Go for a "WIN-WIN Grand Bargain" that solves several of the major problems, Republicans should put these on the table:
a) Fix Social Security by raising the cap and adding 2-years to the early & full retirement ages
b) Fix Medicare (going bankrupt)
c) Give the ACA subsidy at 50% of the current Covid subsidy (half a loaf)
d) Pay for the subsidy by raising the top tax rate to 40%, Trump agrees, it helps balance the budget.
e) Appropriations Bills and CRs only need 51 votes to pass. (solves future unnecessary shutdowns)


If the democrats don't put up a suitable counter offer, just go with option #2. End the shutdown now.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-09-25

Stand-off continues more than a week into the government shutdown​

Even MTG is in favor of keeping the healthcare credits, shockingly enough.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

True, except for the government and military families that are affected.

Shutdowns are a waste of taxpayer money. Congress looks stupid and dysfunctional. Did you see the argument between Hakim Jeffries and that CA congressman? Ridiculous.

I couldn't care less about Hakeem.

The entire thing is ridiculous but if it's true Democrats are holding out for Medicaid for illegals then let it run. I'm not responsible for lawbreakers medical care

 

[Concerned American]

Democrats say "put back the $1.5T of spending that was cut by the BBB, including restoring the ACA subsidies", period.

There have been no cuts. It's a continuing resolution to provide funding at current levels while negotiations are completed. Schumer and Jeffries are pissed because they weren't consulted so they are showing their asses with this temper tantrum to remain relevant. Typical democrat petulance at the expense of the American taxpayer.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There have been no cuts. It's a continuing resolution to provide funding at current levels while negotiations are completed. Schumer and Jeffries are pissed because they weren't consulted so they are showing their asses with this temper tantrum to remain relevant. Typical democrat petulance at the expense of the American taxpayer.

Democrats keep wondering why they've lost.

Cripes they're stupid

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Federal government shutdown has been going on for more than a week with no end in sight.
Republicans say pass the "clean CR", period.
Democrats say "put back the $1.5T of spending that was cut by the BBB, including restoring the ACA subsidies", period.

The problem is that we have too many lawyers and not enough "genius" in congress, we need "Problem Solvers", not "ideologues".

If congress was working in private industry there would be no shutdown, that wastes money, a deal would have been cut already, "one way or another".

Republicans are the majority, they need to push for a solution to end the shutdown:
1. Go nuclear and say "CRs only need 51 votes". A very wimpy solution, it just guarantees more CRs
2. Go nuclear for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescission Bills. A less wimpy solution, but it may bite them in the ass in the future.
3. Publish a proposed deal, let the MSM grade it, and dare the democrats to walk away.
Go for a "WIN-WIN Grand Bargain" that solves several of the major problems, Republicans should put these on the table:
a) Fix Social Security by raising the cap and adding 2-years to the early & full retirement ages
b) Fix Medicare (going bankrupt)
c) Give the ACA subsidy at 50% of the current Covid subsidy (half a loaf)
d) Pay for the subsidy by raising the top tax rate to 40%, Trump agrees, it helps balance the budget.
e) Appropriations Bills and CRs only need 51 votes to pass. (solves future unnecessary shutdowns)


If the democrats don't put up a suitable counter offer, just go with option #2. End the shutdown now.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-09-25

Stand-off continues more than a week into the government shutdown​

A very well thought out post! My compliments.

Instead of answering line by line, as I often like to do, I will take some of the more interesting lines in a separate post each. But, before I do, I want to say kudos!

 

[Concerned American]

The entire thing is ridiculous but if it's true Democrats are holding out for Medicaid for illegals then let it run.

NOTHING has been cut in the CONTINUING resolution. Democrats are WASTING TIME AND MONEY at our expense like spoiled children.

 

[kyzr]

There have been no cuts. It's a continuing resolution to provide funding at current levels while negotiations are completed. Schumer and Jeffries are pissed because they weren't consulted so they are showing their asses with this temper tantrum to remain relevant. Typical democrat petulance at the expense of the American taxpayer.

True that the CR has no cuts, but the democrats want the $1.5T that was cut in the BBB restored or they let the shutdown continue. Republicans just say "NO" without a counter offer. Which is what my OP tries to do. Lets solve problems...

 

[Concerned American]

True that the CR has no cuts, but the democrats want the $1.5T that was cut in the BBB restored or they let the shutdown continue.

That is the idiocy that Schumer and Jeffries are pushing. The fact of the matter is that there have been no cuts and NOW is the time they could be negotiating these issues while doing their jobs instead of kicking and screaming about what they speculate could happen. How much negotiation is being done during a shutdown? Democrat Stupidity.

 

[kyzr]

That is the idiocy that Schumer and Jeffries are pushing. The fact of the matter is that there have been no cuts and NOW is the time they could be negotiating these issues while doing their jobs instead of kicking and screaming about what they speculate could happen. How much negotiation is being done during a shutdown? Democrat Stupidity.

That is the point of the OP. The democrats put up a demand, Republicans need to make a counter offer.
Just saying no, "its my way or the highway" doesn't solve the problem.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Congress has been derelict in their one and only main duty since 2010, when the CR fiasco started

Pass a budget or go to prison

 

[Seymour Flops]

a) Fix Social Security by raising the cap and adding 2-years to the early & full retirement ages

I see how this would help for the present. But I would not call it a fix. More like kicking the can down the road, or perhaps kicking the snowball down the hill. The problem will get bigger. As life expectancy grows, so will the top-heaviness of the system.

Social Security is at heart a pyramid scheme, and this will delay the collapse, not prevent it. Perhaps it will delay it past our lifetimes and even our children's lifetimes. Thus fulfilling Keenes' promise that "In the long run, we're all dead."

I think we should do what you suggest, assuming you mean to grandfather in people in a certain age group so they are not told days before becoming eligible that they have to wait two more years. But we should recognize that it is a stopgap, and we should plan for the next approach of critical mass (or whatever it is called).

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Congress has been derelict in their one and only main duty since 2010, when the CR fiasco started

Pass a budget or go to prison

Term limits.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Term limits.

For starters.

He won't do it, but if Trump really cared about the country, he'd insist on separate budgets.

No more CR!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I see how this would help for the present. But I would not call it a fix. More like kicking the can down the road, or perhaps kicking the snowball down the hill. The problem will get bigger. As life expectancy grows, so will the top-heaviness of the system.

Social Security is at heart a pyramid scheme, and this will delay the collapse, not prevent it. Perhaps it will delay it past our lifetimes and even our children's lifetimes. Thus fulfilling Keenes' promise that "In the long run, we're all dead."

I don't want to look at my grandchild who just started working at Whataburger and tell her that the SS they take out of her paycheck are supporting me and she'll never see a dime.

I think we should do what you suggest, assuming you mean to grandfather in people in a certain age group so they are not told days before becoming eligible that they have to wait two more years. But we should recognize that it is a stopgap, and we should plan for the next approach of critical mass (or whatever it is called).

Social security is so easily fixable by investing 80% of the "Trust Fund" into US equities

 

[Concerned American]

The democrats put up a demand, Republicans need to make a counter offer.

Disagree. The issue is passing funding to keep the gov't open while these budget negotiations are completed. There were 13 continuing resolutions passed during the Biden admin. The "cuts" that the democrats are screaming about are non existent. They haven't happened! They have wasted SEVEN days--soon to be NINE days of NEGOTIATING time with their tantrum. When their cuts DO happen in Nov. due to this shutdown---who are they going to try to blame for their lack of negotiation then? SMFH. I am ashamed to think that the collective intelligence of the American voter has sunk to this level.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Republicans are the majority, they need to push for a solution to end the shutdown:
1. Go nuclear and say "CRs only need 51 votes". A very wimpy solution, it just guarantees more CRs
2. Go nuclear for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescission Bills. A less wimpy solution, but it may bite them in the ass in the future.

If the democrats don't put up a suitable counter offer, just go with option #2. End the shutdown now.

Yes, very wise thinking, as far as political strategy for the GOP.

IF the GOP decides to use the nuclear option, they would be very wise to offer some kind of compromise first. A serious compromise, not just "sign the clean CR and we promise to talk about your additional spending." Otherwise, they might come off as slight-majority bullies

Offer more spending for Americans, but with strong prohibitions against Federal dollars going to anyone who entered the country illegally - regardless of whether they were then given "legal status." That will force the Democrats to choose between helping Americans only or helping Americans AND those who entered the country illegally.

If the Democrats refuse, a God-level move for the GOP would be to come up with a CR that has that "Americans, yes, illegals no" compromise and pass it with the nuclear option. If they wait until Fedemps have missed two paychecks and then do that, Democratic politicians should start looking for a new party.