Oil Transported Through Keystone Will Be Consumed in the US

[Ernie S.]

As far as I am concerned Keystone XL is good for the country. Politics should be cast aside.
Unfortunately we have a president who considers politics and his own enormous ego FIRST. All other priorities and considerations come LAST

As far as I'm concerned, Obama's infrastructure bill is good for the country. Yet Republicans won't let it come up for a vote.

Politics should be cast aside.

Unfortunately we have a Speaker who considers politics and his own enormous ego FIRST. All other priorities and considerations come LAST


I can play this game all night.

Have Harry Reid bring all those House bills up first and we'll see what we can do.

Politics should be cast aside.

Unfortunately we have a Senate Majority Leader who considers politics and his own enormous ego FIRST. All other priorities and considerations come LAST

 

[Ernie S.]

Because Obama thinks he is a supreme leader and what he says goes.

He won two national elections by large margins, the first by a landslide.

That's called a mandate.

And he lost Congress because the People want him stopped.

 

[Ernie S.]

If the oil from this proposed pipeline that the Lakotas have vowed to stop is to be consumed in the US, then Canada can refine it on site and sell it to trucks at the border to bring to various storage facilities here on land. No need whatsoever to have it in Texas ports to be shipped anywhere else.

Problem solved.

Problem solved? Refined on site? By what refineries?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If this is oil destined only for the US, why is Canada considering as an alternative building a pipeline east to the Atlantic?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because Obama thinks he is a supreme leader and what he says goes.

He won two national elections by large margins, the first by a landslide.

That's called a mandate.

And when the GOP wins that's not called a mandate.
I love leftist "logic"

Obama was elected for 4 years.

I don't recall you conceding a Democratic mandate was won in 2006. Can you remind us when you've ever said that?

 

[Silhouette]

If the oil from this proposed pipeline that the Lakotas have vowed to stop is to be consumed in the US, then Canada can refine it on site and sell it to trucks at the border to bring to various storage facilities here on land. No need whatsoever to have it in Texas ports to be shipped anywhere else.

Problem solved.

Problem solved? Refined on site? By what refineries?

Oh, the same type of refineries that they have in Texas. You know, the ones that were around during the Triassic Era. Oh, wait, no, that's right...men built those.

I guess they don't have men who can build in Canada. My bad.

 

[Siete]

Oil Transported Through Keystone Will Be Consumed in the US ..

nice play on words,,,

here ..

Oil Transported Through Keystone Will Be Consumed in the US after its bought on the global market ... AT GLOBAL MARKET PRICES

SEE HOW THAT WORKS ?

next salvo of irrelevant RW insults if you please ..

 

[Ernie S.]

• 1999 (June 10) An Olympic gasoline pipeline ruptured near Bellingham, Washington, resulting in 3 deaths, a fly fisherman and two 10-year-old boys. The cause was a series of errors and malfunctions in relief systems and process control computer systems in the Olympic Pipeline system, resulting in 277,000 gallons of gasoline spilled to Whatcom Creek. The fire burned for five days.[26][27]
• 2000 (20 August) A 30-inch El Paso Energy natural gas pipeline exploded, killing five adults and five children and leaving two other people in critical condition in southeast New Mexico. They were camping under a bridge which carried the pipeline across the Pecos River. The explosion occurred underground on the east side of the river 200 to 300 yards from the campers around 5:30 a.m.. The explosion left a crater 86 feet long, 46 feet wide and 20 feet deep. The fireball was visible 20 miles north in Carlsbad, N.M. The pipeline was installed in 1950.[28]
• 2004 (May 24) A pinhole-sized leak caused by wear unleashed thousands of gallons of gasoline that fueled the BP / Olympic pipeline fire and explosion near the Westfield Shoppingtown Southcenter in Renton, Washington. The blaze sent three firefighters to the hospital, and a mile-square area, which included a nearby fire station, was cordoned off. The leak occurred in a half-inch-wide tube of stainless steel that Olympic operators use to extract fuel samples from the system's 16-inch-wide main line. A metal electrical conduit had rubbed against the stainless steel sampling tube to open the pinhole leak.[29]
• 2010 (September 9) At 6:11 PM, a PG&E 30-inch natural gas line exploded in San Bruno, California, killing 8. Eyewitnesses reported the initial blast "had a wall of fire more than 1,000 feet high".[30]
• 2010 (July 25) Crude oil pipeline ruptures near Marshall, Michigan, spilling over 840,000 gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River [31] [32]
• 2012 (12 December) a 20-inch transmission line owned by NiSource Inc., parent of Columbia Gas, exploded, leveling 4 houses, between Sissonville and Pocatalico in Kanawha County, West Virginia (WV). When it blew, nobody at pipeline operator, Columbia Gas Transmission knew it. An 800' section of I-77 was obliterated.[33][34] “The fire melted the interstate and it looked like lava, just boiling.” Later the West Virginia Public Service Commission released several pages of violations by Columbia Gas.[35] Forty families were "impacted" by the explosion.[36] The investigation cited "corrosion" as the cause of the blast. [37][38]
• 2013 (29 March) ExxonMobil pipeline carrying Canadian Wabasca heavy crude from the Athabasca oil sands ruptured in Mayflower, Arkansas, about 25 miles northwest of Little Rock. Approximately 12,000 barrels (1,900 m3) of oil mixed with water had been recovered by March 31. Twenty-two homes were evacuated.[1] The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified the leak as a major spill. A reported 5,000−7,000 barrels of crude were released. [39]
• 2013 (20 August) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Kiowa southwest of Oklahoma City [40]
• 2013 (8 October) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Rosston, Oklahoma.[41]
• 2014 (Jan 25) A Trans Canada pipeline about 15 miles south of Winnipeg ruptured and exploded. The incident prompted the precautionary closure of two nearby pipelines. The pipelines supply the main source of natural gas to more than 100,000 Xcel Energy customers in eastern North Dakota, northwestern Minnesota and western Wisconsin.[42] The explosion happened near Otterburne, Manitoba, about 15 miles south of the provincial capital, Winnipeg. The area was evacuated as a precaution. No injuries were reported but the fire burned for more than 12 hours.[43]
• 2014 (Feb) In Knifely, Adair County, Kentucky, a Columbia Gulf gas pipeline exploded at 1 a.m. flattening homes, burning barns, and causing one casualty. The 30-inch natural gas pipeline was about 100 feet from Highway 76 and buried 30 feet underground. When it exploded, large rocks and sections of pipeline flew into the air, leaving a 60-foot crater. Columbia Gulf, part of NiSource’s Columbia Pipeline Group, owns and operates more than 15,700 miles of natural gas pipelines, one of the largest underground storage systems in North America. The pipeline that exploded was carrying natural gas from the Gulf of Mexico to New York.[44]
• 2014 (Feb 11) A Hiland gas pipeline exploded about six miles south of Tioga, North Dakota. Hiland was “blowing” hydrates, ice-like solids formed from a mixture of water and gas that can block pipeline flow, out of the pipeline.[45]
• 2014 (Mar 14) A Northern Natural Gas Company pipeline erupted near the intersection of county roads 20 and O, about six miles north of Fremont, Nebraska. A company spokesman said, "In the summer you can tell if you've got a gas leak by vegetation, sometimes it dies in the ground."[46]
• 2014 (May 26) A Viking gas pipeline explosion near Warren, Minnesota was "hell on earth," shaking the ground and shooting a fireball over 100 feet in the air. Roads within a two-mile radius were blocked off. Authorities suspected natural causes because there was still frost in the ground and the soil was wet.[47][48]

List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Business Energy

Train accidents, explosions stir worries about oil transports through major cities

Bruce Crummy/AP
A fireball goes up at the site of an oil train derailment in Casselton, N.D., in December. Trains carrying millions of gallons of explosive liquids, including crude oil, are likely to continue rolling through major cities, despite government urging to steer shipments around population centers in the wake of several accidents.
1 of 5

By MATTHEW BROWN
The Associated Press

Published: 17 February 2014 10:28 AM
Updated: 17 February 2014 02:43 PM
BILLINGS, Mont. — At least 10 times since 2008, freight trains hauling oil across North America have derailed and spilled significant quantities of crude, with most of the accidents touching off fires or catastrophic explosions.

The derailments released almost 3 million gallons of oil, nearly twice as much as the largest pipeline spill in the U.S. since at least 1986. And the deadliest wreck killed 47 people in the town of Lac-Megantic, Quebec.

Those findings, from an Associated Press review of U.S. and Canadian accident records, underscore a lesser-known danger of America’s oil boom, which is changing the global energy balance and raising urgent safety questions closer to home.
Train accidents explosions stir worries about oil transports through major cities Dallas Morning News

 

[Toro]

Disputing the State Dept's claim, from your link:

Gulf Coast PADD 3 Exports of Crude Oil Thousand Barrels per Day

That's not disputing the State Department's report.

The State Department wrote that 35% to 50% of refined product was exported. It didn't say that 100% of refined product was exported, which is what Obama and the environmentalists are erroneously claiming.

 

[Siete]

• 1999 (June 10) An Olympic gasoline pipeline ruptured near Bellingham, Washington, resulting in 3 deaths, a fly fisherman and two 10-year-old boys. The cause was a series of errors and malfunctions in relief systems and process control computer systems in the Olympic Pipeline system, resulting in 277,000 gallons of gasoline spilled to Whatcom Creek. The fire burned for five days.[26][27]
• 2000 (20 August) A 30-inch El Paso Energy natural gas pipeline exploded, killing five adults and five children and leaving two other people in critical condition in southeast New Mexico. They were camping under a bridge which carried the pipeline across the Pecos River. The explosion occurred underground on the east side of the river 200 to 300 yards from the campers around 5:30 a.m.. The explosion left a crater 86 feet long, 46 feet wide and 20 feet deep. The fireball was visible 20 miles north in Carlsbad, N.M. The pipeline was installed in 1950.[28]
• 2004 (May 24) A pinhole-sized leak caused by wear unleashed thousands of gallons of gasoline that fueled the BP / Olympic pipeline fire and explosion near the Westfield Shoppingtown Southcenter in Renton, Washington. The blaze sent three firefighters to the hospital, and a mile-square area, which included a nearby fire station, was cordoned off. The leak occurred in a half-inch-wide tube of stainless steel that Olympic operators use to extract fuel samples from the system's 16-inch-wide main line. A metal electrical conduit had rubbed against the stainless steel sampling tube to open the pinhole leak.[29]
• 2010 (September 9) At 6:11 PM, a PG&E 30-inch natural gas line exploded in San Bruno, California, killing 8. Eyewitnesses reported the initial blast "had a wall of fire more than 1,000 feet high".[30]
• 2010 (July 25) Crude oil pipeline ruptures near Marshall, Michigan, spilling over 840,000 gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River [31] [32]
• 2012 (12 December) a 20-inch transmission line owned by NiSource Inc., parent of Columbia Gas, exploded, leveling 4 houses, between Sissonville and Pocatalico in Kanawha County, West Virginia (WV). When it blew, nobody at pipeline operator, Columbia Gas Transmission knew it. An 800' section of I-77 was obliterated.[33][34] “The fire melted the interstate and it looked like lava, just boiling.” Later the West Virginia Public Service Commission released several pages of violations by Columbia Gas.[35] Forty families were "impacted" by the explosion.[36] The investigation cited "corrosion" as the cause of the blast. [37][38]
• 2013 (29 March) ExxonMobil pipeline carrying Canadian Wabasca heavy crude from the Athabasca oil sands ruptured in Mayflower, Arkansas, about 25 miles northwest of Little Rock. Approximately 12,000 barrels (1,900 m3) of oil mixed with water had been recovered by March 31. Twenty-two homes were evacuated.[1] The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified the leak as a major spill. A reported 5,000−7,000 barrels of crude were released. [39]
• 2013 (20 August) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Kiowa southwest of Oklahoma City [40]
• 2013 (8 October) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Rosston, Oklahoma.[41]
• 2014 (Jan 25) A Trans Canada pipeline about 15 miles south of Winnipeg ruptured and exploded. The incident prompted the precautionary closure of two nearby pipelines. The pipelines supply the main source of natural gas to more than 100,000 Xcel Energy customers in eastern North Dakota, northwestern Minnesota and western Wisconsin.[42] The explosion happened near Otterburne, Manitoba, about 15 miles south of the provincial capital, Winnipeg. The area was evacuated as a precaution. No injuries were reported but the fire burned for more than 12 hours.[43]
• 2014 (Feb) In Knifely, Adair County, Kentucky, a Columbia Gulf gas pipeline exploded at 1 a.m. flattening homes, burning barns, and causing one casualty. The 30-inch natural gas pipeline was about 100 feet from Highway 76 and buried 30 feet underground. When it exploded, large rocks and sections of pipeline flew into the air, leaving a 60-foot crater. Columbia Gulf, part of NiSource’s Columbia Pipeline Group, owns and operates more than 15,700 miles of natural gas pipelines, one of the largest underground storage systems in North America. The pipeline that exploded was carrying natural gas from the Gulf of Mexico to New York.[44]
• 2014 (Feb 11) A Hiland gas pipeline exploded about six miles south of Tioga, North Dakota. Hiland was “blowing” hydrates, ice-like solids formed from a mixture of water and gas that can block pipeline flow, out of the pipeline.[45]
• 2014 (Mar 14) A Northern Natural Gas Company pipeline erupted near the intersection of county roads 20 and O, about six miles north of Fremont, Nebraska. A company spokesman said, "In the summer you can tell if you've got a gas leak by vegetation, sometimes it dies in the ground."[46]
• 2014 (May 26) A Viking gas pipeline explosion near Warren, Minnesota was "hell on earth," shaking the ground and shooting a fireball over 100 feet in the air. Roads within a two-mile radius were blocked off. Authorities suspected natural causes because there was still frost in the ground and the soil was wet.[47][48]

List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Business Energy

Train accidents, explosions stir worries about oil transports through major cities

Bruce Crummy/AP
A fireball goes up at the site of an oil train derailment in Casselton, N.D., in December. Trains carrying millions of gallons of explosive liquids, including crude oil, are likely to continue rolling through major cities, despite government urging to steer shipments around population centers in the wake of several accidents.
1 of 5

By MATTHEW BROWN
The Associated Press

Published: 17 February 2014 10:28 AM
Updated: 17 February 2014 02:43 PM
BILLINGS, Mont. — At least 10 times since 2008, freight trains hauling oil across North America have derailed and spilled significant quantities of crude, with most of the accidents touching off fires or catastrophic explosions.

The derailments released almost 3 million gallons of oil, nearly twice as much as the largest pipeline spill in the U.S. since at least 1986. And the deadliest wreck killed 47 people in the town of Lac-Megantic, Quebec.

Those findings, from an Associated Press review of U.S. and Canadian accident records, underscore a lesser-known danger of America’s oil boom, which is changing the global energy balance and raising urgent safety questions closer to home.
Train accidents explosions stir worries about oil transports through major cities Dallas Morning News

IN 1 YEAR

Here’s the tally for Keystone pipeline leaks reported to the National Response Center so far:

1. May 21, 2010
2. June 23, 2010
3. August 10, 2010
4. August 19, 2010
5. January 5, 2011
6. January 31, 2011
7. February 3, 2011
8. February 23, 2011
9. March 8, 2011
10. March 16, 2011
11. May 7, 2011

 

[NYcarbineer]

Disputing the State Dept's claim, from your link:

Gulf Coast PADD 3 Exports of Crude Oil Thousand Barrels per Day

That's not disputing the State Department's report.

The State Department wrote that 35% to 50% of refined product was exported. It didn't say that 100% of refined product was exported, which is what Obama and the environmentalists are erroneously claiming.

You claimed through your OP that NONE would be exported.

 

[Toro]

If this is oil destined only for the US, why is Canada considering as an alternative building a pipeline east to the Atlantic?

So it can be shipped to refineries in Texas.

The only reason why the Energy East option is being pursued is because Obama and the Democrats are stalling on Keystone.

If that happens, then environmentalists won't have to worry about a pipeline leak. Instead, they can worry about a tanker spill and crude washing up into New York Harbor or the beaches of Florida.

 

[Ernie S.]

If the oil from this proposed pipeline that the Lakotas have vowed to stop is to be consumed in the US, then Canada can refine it on site and sell it to trucks at the border to bring to various storage facilities here on land. No need whatsoever to have it in Texas ports to be shipped anywhere else.

Problem solved.

Problem solved? Refined on site? By what refineries?

Oh, the same type of refineries that they have in Texas. You know, the ones that were around during the Triassic Era. Oh, wait, no, that's right...men built those.

I guess they don't have men who can build in Canada. My bad.

There hasn't been a new refinery built in Canada since 1984. In the US, just one new refinery has been built since the late 70's. Go ahead! Propose a new refinery in the US or Canada. It would take 10 years to get permits and another 4 to build it, IF you could get by the same tree huggers that want to stop Keystone.

 

[Siete]

If this is oil destined only for the US, why is Canada considering as an alternative building a pipeline east to the Atlantic?

So it can be shipped to refineries in Texas.

The only reason why the Energy East option is being pursued is because Obama and the Democrats are stalling on Keystone.

If that happens, then environmentalists won't have to worry about a pipeline leak. Instead, they can worry about a tanker spill and crude washing up into New York Harbor or the beaches of Florida.

Boehner is ass deep in Keystone related investments and has been since 2009. That's why Keystone is being pursued.

 

[Toro]

Disputing the State Dept's claim, from your link:

Gulf Coast PADD 3 Exports of Crude Oil Thousand Barrels per Day

That's not disputing the State Department's report.

The State Department wrote that 35% to 50% of refined product was exported. It didn't say that 100% of refined product was exported, which is what Obama and the environmentalists are erroneously claiming.

You claimed through your OP that NONE would be exported.

I was unclear. I thought it was implied that the OP refuted the erroneous assertion by Obama, the Democrats and environmentalists, that it will all be exported, since that's the argument they were making.

So to clear up the OP, all of the crude won't be exported as the critics claim. Most of it will remain within the United States.

 

[Toro]

If this is oil destined only for the US, why is Canada considering as an alternative building a pipeline east to the Atlantic?

So it can be shipped to refineries in Texas.

The only reason why the Energy East option is being pursued is because Obama and the Democrats are stalling on Keystone.

If that happens, then environmentalists won't have to worry about a pipeline leak. Instead, they can worry about a tanker spill and crude washing up into New York Harbor or the beaches of Florida.

Boehner is ass deep in Keystone related investments and has been since 2009. That's why Keystone is being pursued.

Link?

 

[Siete]

If the oil from this proposed pipeline that the Lakotas have vowed to stop is to be consumed in the US, then Canada can refine it on site and sell it to trucks at the border to bring to various storage facilities here on land. No need whatsoever to have it in Texas ports to be shipped anywhere else.

Problem solved.

Problem solved? Refined on site? By what refineries?

Oh, the same type of refineries that they have in Texas. You know, the ones that were around during the Triassic Era. Oh, wait, no, that's right...men built those.

I guess they don't have men who can build in Canada. My bad.

There hasn't been a new refinery built in Canada since 1984. In the US, just one new refinery has been built since the late 70's. Go ahead! Propose a new refinery in the US or Canada. It would take 10 years to get permits and another 4 to build it, IF you could get by the same tree huggers that want to stop Keystone.

since when did Canada need proposals from Americans to do anything ? Since when did Americans promote giving away another Americans land to a foreign country ?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Disputing the State Dept's claim, from your link:

Gulf Coast PADD 3 Exports of Crude Oil Thousand Barrels per Day

That's not disputing the State Department's report.

The State Department wrote that 35% to 50% of refined product was exported. It didn't say that 100% of refined product was exported, which is what Obama and the environmentalists are erroneously claiming.

You claimed through your OP that NONE would be exported.

I was unclear. I thought it was implied that the OP refuted the erroneous assertion by Obama, the Democrats and environmentalists, that it will all be exported, since that's the argument they were making.

So to clear up the OP, all of the crude won't be exported as the critics claim. Most of it will remain within the United States.

It's quite possible that almost all of the additional capacity facilitated by the pipeline will be exported, depending on how much over US refining capacity it goes.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I read that ISIS is also exporting oil through various means, and suddenly oil prices in the US go down in the last few months. I hate to think the American consumer is helping Muslim terrorists that threaten freedom.

Um you understand that lower oil prices HURT people trying to sell it, like ISIS, right?

I might, but do they? Were are they getting all the funding ? I don't think they care about capitalism as long as they turn a profit. However fleeting that may be.

What the hell are you yammering about?

 

[Silhouette]

I think we're talking about the pipeline?