Oh good, supremes ruled men can continue to abuse women via legal back alley abortions

[Freewill]

Well the left should be happy. Woman can now get abortions in the ally again without a doctor. Bravo.

Supreme Court strikes Texas abortion clinic regulations

Requiring abortion providers to obtain hospital admitting privileges and for abortion clinics to meet surgical facility standards have made it so hard for abortion providers to operate that such measures constitute what's known as an "undue burden" on getting an abortion, Breyer wrote.

I don't get why the far right in Texas waste their time and money on crap like this.

A simple reading of Roe v. Wade should have told them the SCOTUS was going to be all over their azz for trying it.

It would have been much cheaper for Texas just to buy woman coat hangers, since abort doesn't need a doctor and the side effects, other than one death, are minimal. (sic)

 

[Freewill]

Everything is upside down and ass backwards in the small minded world of liberals. They think they did a favor to women by making sure that abortion mills are no better maintained than veterinary clinics.

Everything is upside down and ass backwards in the small minded world of conservatives.

They claim they are protecting women by denying them access to safe legal abortions- while not requiring the same restrictions on more dangerous procedures including colonoscopies and child birth.

Do you have a link to anything you just post that shows it is a little bit true? I have had colonoscopies and they were done in a hospital type setting with real doctors. Not like what the pro-death crowd wants for women in Texas.

 

[Freewill]

A doctor doesn't have admitting privileges. So yes they won't be admitted as quickly if they did. Just ask joan river's daughter.

When someone goes into an ER, they are triaged based on the severity of their condition. Whether the doctor has admitting privileges or not will not alter the speed with which their emergency is attended to.

I think the idea is that who broke it would know how to fix it.

 

[Freewill]

Once again the Scotus makes law.

 

[aris2chat]

a woman's choice is not unconstitutional. Part of her life liberty and happiness.
a fetus is not a person till it is viable enough to survive outside the womb.

if a fetus had a right to life then even birth control, including the rhythm method, would be criminal.

many infants die within the first year from natural causes.

Many women miscarriage

Not for you to decide.

Only the woman can decide what is right for her.

worry about the millions of children that need good homes instead of trying to control a woman's freedom of choice

If a human fetus is not a person, why then doesn't the SCOTUS use that fact(sic) to overturn the Federal and (now more than 35) States "Fetal Homicide" laws which make it a crime of "murder" to kill a "child in the womb" in "ANY stage of development" during a criminal act?

Murder, by definition, is the criminal killing of one PERSON by another. Isn't it?

fetal homicide only applies to the last trimester when the fetus might be able to live outside the womb.

it also does not apply to abortions.

>>by violent acts against pregnant women.<<

even when it was used against a woman for reckless behavior, the case was dismissed.

a few states tried to extend to include at any state but it is not used except where the pregnancy is know and in a violent attack on the woman with intent.

if the pregnancy is not visible or know, it cannot be used till the last trimester other wise. That still limits it to the fifth or six month range.

neither the doctor nor the woman can be charged for an abortion in the first trimester.

It's clear that you have NOT read or been able to comprehend the laws which clearly says "in ANY stage of development."

and cases were thrown out of court

it must be an act against the mother that results in the loose

every state has variations on the law, but legal abortion is not part of the "any stage"

>>The only thing that matters is the will of the mother.<<

You are not only full of shit but your are embarrassingly so.


Constitutional Challenges to Unborn Victims (Fetal Homicide) Laws
● May 27, 2013 ● UNBORN VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE
(All challenges were unsuccessful. All challenges were based at least in part on Roe v. Wade and/or denial of equal protection, unless otherwise noted.)

knowledge, malice, forethought, intent
without woman's knowledge or consent


>>Supreme Court nullified this ruling, and held that a state is free to enact laws that recognize unborn children, so long as the state does not include restrictions on abortion that Roe forbids.<<

you want to debate each case take it to a legal forum. These were specific cases that went beyond a car accident where the fetus dies.

most cases involved the murder of the women. military justice case was attempt to kill fetus without woman's knowledge or consent. Cases where the convictions would have stood with or without the FH law.

You can't apply the fetal homicide laws to abortions. At any stage is limited. Abortion is not murder.

 

[aris2chat]

a woman's choice is not unconstitutional. Part of her life liberty and happiness.
a fetus is not a person till it is viable enough to survive outside the womb.

if a fetus had a right to life then even birth control, including the rhythm method, would be criminal.

many infants die within the first year from natural causes.

Many women miscarriage

Not for you to decide.

Only the woman can decide what is right for her.

worry about the millions of children that need good homes instead of trying to control a woman's freedom of choice

If a human fetus is not a person, why then doesn't the SCOTUS use that fact(sic) to overturn the Federal and (now more than 35) States "Fetal Homicide" laws which make it a crime of "murder" to kill a "child in the womb" in "ANY stage of development" during a criminal act?

Murder, by definition, is the criminal killing of one PERSON by another. Isn't it?

fetal homicide only applies to the last trimester when the fetus might be able to live outside the womb.

it also does not apply to abortions.

>>by violent acts against pregnant women.<<

even when it was used against a woman for reckless behavior, the case was dismissed.

a few states tried to extend to include at any state but it is not used except where the pregnancy is know and in a violent attack on the woman with intent.

if the pregnancy is not visible or know, it cannot be used till the last trimester other wise. That still limits it to the fifth or six month range.

neither the doctor nor the woman can be charged for an abortion in the first trimester.

It's clear that you have NOT read or been able to comprehend the laws which clearly says "in ANY stage of development."

state by state, I've read them and cases that have been thrown out.

Cases that have all ready been thrown out would not be appealed to the Supreme Court. Dumb ass

cases thrown out in court, I did not specify only supreme court.

The case in texas of abortion clinics was dismissed and the state still took it to the high court. @#$%^&

 

[aris2chat]

You can thank the liberal men in the liberal media for dismissing Dr. Kermet Gosnell's house of horrors because the true beneficiaries of abortion are (surprise) not women but liberal men. When are women in general going to come to grips with the fact that men who intimidate and otherwise force a woman to hire someone to commit murder on the life inside them are not doing them a favor by making back ally abortion clinics more accessible?

you are aware two women in the clinic cut the necks of the fetus during the labor in the bathroom not the doctor. It was a case of late term abortions not for medical reason. It was not about normal abortions.

I bet you would have loved to see that! How many times did the baby jerk?

I want what is best for the woman
I've seen too much violence and abuse. What can and has been done to women, even pregnant women is sickening. My concern is to help the women, empower them.

When women can be killed because they are raped, abortion is a life saver.

Too many women die in child birth. In other part of the world, it can be very dangerous.

I don't want abortion, but I would not deny a woman to choose if that is best for her. Difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion

I would suggest natural or pill abortions first. Better yet, education on natural birth control. Most kitchens have a number of items that can be used for birth control.

Spermicides, diaphragms, IUDs, even morning after at the finger tips of any person for pennies or free. What is taught in schools is useless IMO

Even OB/GYN and nurses are not well versed in none pharmaceutical methods or even what to stay away from to prevent miscarriages.

Crocodile dung is not easily available but fortunately most grocery stores have plenty of things that work as well if not better.

Free? Haven't we established by now that nothing is free?

requires a sonogram which is covered under most Obama care............. no cost to the woman, or small co-pay in a few cases

you want to disagree, argue with the clinics. the clinic need verification of the age/development of embryo. they can do it or you can bring one from your doctor

They want to give the right cocktail of pills for the week of pregnancy

you return within two weeks to make sure abortion was complete............pee on a strip

 

[SwimExpert]

A doctor doesn't have admitting privileges. So yes they won't be admitted as quickly if they did. Just ask joan river's daughter.

When someone goes into an ER, they are triaged based on the severity of their condition. Whether the doctor has admitting privileges or not will not alter the speed with which their emergency is attended to.

I think the idea is that who broke it would know how to fix it.

No, that's not their idea at all. The idea is to cloak an anti-abortion law in a veil of concern for the mother's health.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay you keep thinking that, but there is a reason it should done.

Which, in your ignorance, you cannot articulate with any greater specifics than "Uh.....cuz."

Okay, I go with your reasoning. If there is a complication. There is no reason to do more. Then maybe you can save a life. Just let them die, so abortions will be super easy to get. Got it, dumbass.

Is there a large record of cases of complication that couldn't be dealt with in places that don't have the requirements that Texas attempted to impose?

Texas was trying to unduly burden the exercise of a constitutional right and, oops, they got caught at it and spanked.

When did the liberal left abort common decency?

Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.

Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.
Not only does every abortion kill an innocent human being in the womb; but abortion is also more dangerous to the mother than if she were to give birth to the child. The evidence overwhelmingly proves that the morbidity and mortality rates of legal abortion are several times higher than that for carrying a pregnancy to term.

Abortion is not safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth. Less than one in ten thousand pregnancies results in the mother's death. [1] Government statistics indicate that the chances of death by abortion are even less. But while deaths from childbirth are accurately reported, many deaths by legal abortion are not. This completely skews the statistics. Furthermore, “abortion actually increases the chance of maternal death in later pregnancies.” [2] This means that some maternal deaths in full-term pregnancies are actually caused by earlier abortions, which creates a double inaccuracy.

But even if abortion did result in fewer maternal deaths, that wouldn't make it safer. The nonfatal but significant complications of abortion are much more frequent and serious than those of full-term pregnancy. One researcher states: [3]

That's all anti-abortion propaganda.

You want to play the 'safe' game regarding rights?

It's less safe to have a gun in the home than not.

 

[Freewill]

Okay you keep thinking that, but there is a reason it should done.

Which, in your ignorance, you cannot articulate with any greater specifics than "Uh.....cuz."

Okay, I go with your reasoning. If there is a complication. There is no reason to do more. Then maybe you can save a life. Just let them die, so abortions will be super easy to get. Got it, dumbass.

Is there a large record of cases of complication that couldn't be dealt with in places that don't have the requirements that Texas attempted to impose?

Texas was trying to unduly burden the exercise of a constitutional right and, oops, they got caught at it and spanked.

When did the liberal left abort common decency?

Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.

Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.
Not only does every abortion kill an innocent human being in the womb; but abortion is also more dangerous to the mother than if she were to give birth to the child. The evidence overwhelmingly proves that the morbidity and mortality rates of legal abortion are several times higher than that for carrying a pregnancy to term.

Abortion is not safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth. Less than one in ten thousand pregnancies results in the mother's death. [1] Government statistics indicate that the chances of death by abortion are even less. But while deaths from childbirth are accurately reported, many deaths by legal abortion are not. This completely skews the statistics. Furthermore, “abortion actually increases the chance of maternal death in later pregnancies.” [2] This means that some maternal deaths in full-term pregnancies are actually caused by earlier abortions, which creates a double inaccuracy.

But even if abortion did result in fewer maternal deaths, that wouldn't make it safer. The nonfatal but significant complications of abortion are much more frequent and serious than those of full-term pregnancy. One researcher states: [3]

That's all anti-abortion propaganda.

You want to play the 'safe' game regarding rights?

It's less safe to have a gun in the home than not.

Wow, what amazing statistic you come up with. As in there is less chance of being shot if you have a gun then if you don't have a gun. Like duh.

You made another unsubstantiated claim of the complication with abortions, I provided one with references. As on que you say it is propaganda as if the left wing would post anyting close to the truth.

Babies are being killed and the blood is on the liberal left hands.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Well the left should be happy. Woman can now get abortions in the ally again without a doctor. Bravo.

Supreme Court strikes Texas abortion clinic regulations

Requiring abortion providers to obtain hospital admitting privileges and for abortion clinics to meet surgical facility standards have made it so hard for abortion providers to operate that such measures constitute what's known as an "undue burden" on getting an abortion, Breyer wrote.

Needless to say this is a ridiculous lie, nothing but a childish temper-tantrum by an authoritarian rightist who didn’t get his way.

As a conservative you should applaud the decision, consistent with the fundamental conservative tenets of limited government and enhanced individual liberty.

Instead, you and most others on right seek to allow government to compel a woman to give birth against her will through force of law, in violation of the Constitution, increasing the size and authority of government at the expense of individual liberty.

Such is the hypocrisy of the right.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It just shows you how much Liberals and Democrats regard life. Life is simply not important to the left, not the mother's, not that of teenage mother's, not of children, nor gays in an Orlando nightclub. Life means nothing.

No, it demonstrates that liberals and democrats respect the Constitution and its case law, respect the privacy rights of all citizens, and respect the rule of law.

Liberals oppose abortion and wish to see the practice ended, but it must be ended in a manner consistent with the Constitution and its case law, acknowledging a woman’s right to privacy, and the importance of limited government to safeguard our individual liberties.

What is your solution to the problem of abortion that comports with the Constitution and its case law?

 

[Freewill]

Well the left should be happy. Woman can now get abortions in the ally again without a doctor. Bravo.

Supreme Court strikes Texas abortion clinic regulations

Requiring abortion providers to obtain hospital admitting privileges and for abortion clinics to meet surgical facility standards have made it so hard for abortion providers to operate that such measures constitute what's known as an "undue burden" on getting an abortion, Breyer wrote.

Needless to say this is a ridiculous lie, nothing but a childish temper-tantrum by an authoritarian rightist who didn’t get his way.

As a conservative you should applaud the decision, consistent with the fundamental conservative tenets of limited government and enhanced individual liberty.

Instead, you and most others on right seek to allow government to compel a woman to give birth against her will through force of law, in violation of the Constitution, increasing the size and authority of government at the expense of individual liberty.

Such is the hypocrisy of the right.

The blood of the unborn is on your hands.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Everything is upside down and ass backwards in the small minded world of liberals. They think they did a favor to women by making sure that abortion mills are no better maintained than veterinary clinics.

Another ridiculous lie, another moronic slippery slope fallacy.

The Texas measure was enacted in bad faith, seeking not to ‘safeguard’ the health and safety of women but to instead place an undue burden on a woman’s right to privacy.

The measure has no rational basis, there was no objective, documented evidence in support of the measure, and the requirements pursued no legitimate legislative end – they sought only to disadvantage women through force of law, in violation of the Constitution.

Indeed, when the state was asked during oral argument if there was evidence of a single incident when the new provisions would have benefited even one woman to receive better treatment, Texas had to admit there was no such evidence.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Well the left should be happy. Woman can now get abortions in the ally again without a doctor. Bravo.

Supreme Court strikes Texas abortion clinic regulations

Requiring abortion providers to obtain hospital admitting privileges and for abortion clinics to meet surgical facility standards have made it so hard for abortion providers to operate that such measures constitute what's known as an "undue burden" on getting an abortion, Breyer wrote.

Yep and if a woman all of a sudden has problems but will not be able to suddenly admit the woman to the hospital. Liberals say just die, like your baby just did.

Yeah, just die, I've head them say that oh I don't know how many times. Oh wait, it was zero. Zero times, yeah, zero.

Liberal judges on the supreme court said that today. Just think you support them.

Kennedy is not a ‘liberal’ – such is the ignorance common to most on the right.

Moreover, the decision was based on settled, accepted privacy rights jurisprudence dating back more than 50 years – privacy rights jurisprudence decided by conservative justices appointed to the Court by republican presidents, such as O’Conner and Souter.

So much for your nonsense and lies about ‘liberal judges.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Okay you keep thinking that, but there is a reason it should done.

Which, in your ignorance, you cannot articulate with any greater specifics than "Uh.....cuz."

Okay, I go with your reasoning. If there is a complication. There is no reason to do more. Then maybe you can save a life. Just let them die, so abortions will be super easy to get. Got it, dumbass.

Is there a large record of cases of complication that couldn't be dealt with in places that don't have the requirements that Texas attempted to impose?

Texas was trying to unduly burden the exercise of a constitutional right and, oops, they got caught at it and spanked.

But if those regulations saved just one life. It would be worth it, right?

As already correctly noted, this is the same rationale used by those who wish to reinstate the AWB.

And this clearly illustrates the hypocrisy common to most on the right:

If an AWB is an undue burden to the Second Amendment right – which I believe it is – then the invalidated Texas measure is likewise an undue burden on a woman’s right to privacy, and just as un-Constitutional.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

 

[Katzndogz]

The Gosnell case: Here’s what you need to know


The FBI and the Pennsylvania Department of Health raided Gosnell's clinic on Feb. 18, 2010. What they found inside was described by those on the raid as "filthy" and disgusting":

There was blood on the floor. A stench of urine filled the air. A flea-infested cat was wandering through the facility, and there were cat feces on the stairs. Semi-conscious women scheduled for abortions were moaning in the waiting room or the recovery room, where they sat on dirty recliners covered with blood-stained blankets.




This all sounds pleasant does it not?

And all that happened because Philadelphia had restrictive abortion laws. When it's legal, its cleaner and safer.

Not even close. Gosnell operated a perfectly legal abortion clinic. At some point he even passed a state inspection.

 

[Katzndogz]

Abortion is used by libtards as birth control. Heinous practice.

It is a heinous practice. But, it is fewer libtards. In a few generations libtards might be wiped out.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

It means that women can have an abortion in someone's garage. performed by a person that learned how by watching you tube.

. Thanks. You've given me an idea for an additional income source.

still have to be trained and licensed so no you can't just watch youtube

A "D" in "ripping off the head" class is sufficient.

 

[yiostheoy]

WTF ever happened to birth control pills or morning after pills? If women would use them they wouldn't get knocked up during a drunken romp in the hay.

WTF ever happened to condoms too?

These days they are so thin that you cannot even feel them.

And they protect your One Eyed Willy from clap and all sorts of other stuff.

Texas has around 70,000 abortions per year.

That's at least 140,000 morons per year.