Official USMB Mafia Game #4: Friends and Enemies

[RosieS]

From page one:

Town Mason

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Mason, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:
Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].
You are confirmed town to your partners, and them to you.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

It sez Masons talk during the night. Basically at the same time Scum talks.

HTH!

Regards from Rosie

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Really? Where have I even attempted to silence you? Where have you been prevented from putting up a defense.

It's only logical that if 8 people are claiming to be vanilla town and there are 5 vanilla town spots left that some of them are lying. It's basic mathematics.

The question is why is pointing out the obvious upsetting you so much?

I never said you have attempted to silence me. What I said was defending myself/responding to your accusations only makes you come back and say I'm scum or suspicious. I was pointing out that anyone that has responded to you gets the same general response.

It should be common sense that us townies aren't going to reveal if we're masons. We have no PR roles in this game to save any. With scum trying to save themselves (which is to their win condition), of course they'll claim they're town/townies/whatever. The thing is, not all of us are lying when we say we're town.

What bothers me is that you don't seem to believe anyone at this point. To you, we're all scum.

Been thinking about it the last two hours while I was tending my lawn. The fact that I have over half the town ready to lynch me despite being town and telling the truth means that my methods are clearly not helping the town.

So I'm going to cut back. I'm going to be seen as scum whether I remain posting as I am or whether I change my tactics. I would have thought the fact that I'm actively leaving info for when you lynch me and I flip town would have convinced you. But I've clearly got zero ethos at this point to convince you guys.

You are wrong though. At this point I am not suspecting shaitra, TN, and ironically mertex.

And I though I'll change my tactics I am not changing my vote for grandma. You won't have to read as much but that early hammer intent is still scummy.

I'm willing to unvote since you're willing to take a look at how your posts have come across to us. A change for the better is always a good thing.

What are your reads on Shaitra, TN, and Mertex since you don't suspect them?

Personally, I'd like to see more posts from them.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

unvote

 

[Mertex]

Because you, R.D., and Rosie are a single entity this game - a 3-headed monster - and that entity sure as hell isn't Town.

Well, I see you haven't gained any experience in picking out Scum, unless, of course, you are Scum this go -round. I certainly am not Scum, but you coming after me so intensely only means that I must be right....it's you, MeBelle and FA, isn't it?

No wonder you wouldn't cast a vote for FA. MeBelle, one of your team members, thought she would just vote for one of her teammates and not appear suspicious, that is, until several of us started voting for him, then she started sweating that FA was going to be lynched, so she quickly withdrew her vote....of course you weren't going to replace her...Scum doesn't go after their own.

You reek of scum.

That's your upper lip your smelling. I can't reek of Scum because I ain't one, and surely you know who your partners are. I'm banking on MeBelle and FA....don't know why others don't see it. Funny, Grandma voted for MeBelle very early on. Isn't that what Scum do, vote for their own early on, hoping nobody else piles on? It was just for show because by Vote Count 1.1 she had switched to tn. And, we're aware of MeBelle's fast little withdrawal, just when FA's wagon was catching on. No wonder the big bad wolf, pretending to be Grandma, is accusing me of being Scum, I'm getting to close for comfort pointing the finger at her.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9472658-post22.html

Cafe came after me regarding the sanfu at the beginning of the game which I missed and didn't know what everyone that was posting was talking about, but amazingly, she overlooked Grandma's little act.....if she was one of the ones that were sent the mysterious PMs, that I and others didn't get, why was she acting like she didn't know what was going on? Obviously if she got the PMs, she was aware of what went down, unlike me, who got accused of being Scum because I really didn't know what was happening, didn't get the PMs, and was accused of lying about it.

Also, she's been gunning for tn, which may very well be Town. She voted for him on Day1 until she saw the Mani lynch was more appealing, since tn's wagon fell apart, but like Scum who don't want to attract attention by voting for someone that may then come after them, she waited and didn't vote until Mani's wagon was well underway. True that tn's lack of effort is anti-town, but killing a townie is anti-town, and if we have an idea who is Scum, why not go after Scum? We can get Wake to do a mod-kill on tn if he doesn't make an appearance later, but Grandma's rush to lynch Avatar, and pushing for a tn kill surely should raise some red flags.....anyone?

TN did what?!?

Why do I always miss the good stuff?

TN did what?!?

Why do I always miss the good stuff?

TN was scum for this game. Then Wake had to reassign roles since TN asked about the scum QT and the PM went to several people, if not everyone.

You did not get those PMs Grandma?

Grandma, not sure about PM's which I see went to her and three others. hummm

Leaning scum for Grandma, since she did get those PMs and seems to be unaware of what they meant

Vote:Grandma

 

[MeBelle]

For the 'damn' record [MENTION=854]Avatar4321[/MENTION]

Game #1~1 time. Was used jokingly
Game #2 and #3~Zero
Game #4~1 time (damned if you do, damned if you don't, doesn't fit my criteria)

unvote

 

[Avatar4321]

I never said you have attempted to silence me. What I said was defending myself/responding to your accusations only makes you come back and say I'm scum or suspicious. I was pointing out that anyone that has responded to you gets the same general response.

It should be common sense that us townies aren't going to reveal if we're masons. We have no PR roles in this game to save any. With scum trying to save themselves (which is to their win condition), of course they'll claim they're town/townies/whatever. The thing is, not all of us are lying when we say we're town.

What bothers me is that you don't seem to believe anyone at this point. To you, we're all scum.

Been thinking about it the last two hours while I was tending my lawn. The fact that I have over half the town ready to lynch me despite being town and telling the truth means that my methods are clearly not helping the town.

So I'm going to cut back. I'm going to be seen as scum whether I remain posting as I am or whether I change my tactics. I would have thought the fact that I'm actively leaving info for when you lynch me and I flip town would have convinced you. But I've clearly got zero ethos at this point to convince you guys.

You are wrong though. At this point I am not suspecting shaitra, TN, and ironically mertex.

And I though I'll change my tactics I am not changing my vote for grandma. You won't have to read as much but that early hammer intent is still scummy.

I'm willing to unvote since you're willing to take a look at how your posts have come across to us. A change for the better is always a good thing.

What are your reads on Shaitra, TN, and Mertex since you don't suspect them?

Personally, I'd like to see more posts from them.

Haven't seen enough from Shaitra and TN to get a good read. I'm leaning town on Shaitra.

As for TN, I don't know. I really have a hard time believing he rolled scum again after the reroll. But his silence isn't helping.

As for mertex, I was pushing for her day 1. She was pushing for me too. We now have more substantial information after mani flipped town and the NK. She is playing much like she did in earlier games when she was town. And she didn't jump on the wagon despite the fact that I know she is suspicious of me. That makes me read town.

I could be wrong about any of them. And I would like to hear more from everyone. But that's my take right now. I am willing to wait and see what turns up in the future.

 

[Avatar4321]

For the 'damn' record [MENTION=854]Avatar4321[/MENTION]

Game #1~1 time. Was used jokingly
Game #2 and #3~Zero
Game #4~1 time (damned if you do, damned if you don't, doesn't fit my criteria)

unvote

I have to say I wasn't expecting you to actually go back and figure that out, lol Took me a minute to figure out what you were referencing.

Told you it's a bad habit.

 

[Shaitra]

One person I am definitely feel is solid town is Aye. She has several posts that really read town to me and has been actively hunting scum.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Well, I see you haven't gained any experience in picking out Scum, unless, of course, you are Scum this go -round. I certainly am not Scum, but you coming after me so intensely only means that I must be right....it's you, MeBelle and FA, isn't it?

No wonder you wouldn't cast a vote for FA. MeBelle, one of your team members, thought she would just vote for one of her teammates and not appear suspicious, that is, until several of us started voting for him, then she started sweating that FA was going to be lynched, so she quickly withdrew her vote....of course you weren't going to replace her...Scum doesn't go after their own.

You reek of scum.

That's your upper lip your smelling. I can't reek of Scum because I ain't one, and surely you know who your partners are. I'm banking on MeBelle and FA....don't know why others don't see it. Funny, Grandma voted for MeBelle very early on. Isn't that what Scum do, vote for their own early on, hoping nobody else piles on? It was just for show because by Vote Count 1.1 she had switched to tn. And, we're aware of MeBelle's fast little withdrawal, just when FA's wagon was catching on. No wonder the big bad wolf, pretending to be Grandma, is accusing me of being Scum, I'm getting to close for comfort pointing the finger at her.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9472658-post22.html

Cafe came after me regarding the sanfu at the beginning of the game which I missed and didn't know what everyone that was posting was talking about, but amazingly, she overlooked Grandma's little act.....if she was one of the ones that were sent the mysterious PMs, that I and others didn't get, why was she acting like she didn't know what was going on? Obviously if she got the PMs, she was aware of what went down, unlike me, who got accused of being Scum because I really didn't know what was happening, didn't get the PMs, and was accused of lying about it.

Also, she's been gunning for tn, which may very well be Town. She voted for him on Day1 until she saw the Mani lynch was more appealing, since tn's wagon fell apart, but like Scum who don't want to attract attention by voting for someone that may then come after them, she waited and didn't vote until Mani's wagon was well underway. True that tn's lack of effort is anti-town, but killing a townie is anti-town, and if we have an idea who is Scum, why not go after Scum? We can get Wake to do a mod-kill on tn if he doesn't make an appearance later, but Grandma's rush to lynch Avatar, and pushing for a tn kill surely should raise some red flags.....anyone?

TN was scum for this game. Then Wake had to reassign roles since TN asked about the scum QT and the PM went to several people, if not everyone.

You did not get those PMs Grandma?

Grandma, not sure about PM's which I see went to her and three others. hummm

Leaning scum for Grandma, since she did get those PMs and seems to be unaware of what they meant

Vote:Grandma

I did not overlook Grandma. In fact there is an entire discussion I had with Grandma regarding the PM. She said she stepped on her cats tail and had to restart her computer, thusly missing the PMs because she came to the game here first. The only reason I said anything to you was you stating you did not get any PM.

Funny, you mention Grandma, because I was just looking at this post here, which seems to suggest exactly what you thought it did.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9529183-post598.html

I do find it suspicious, those not on Grandma list as scum suddenly become scummy after the comment she made to you.

Just because I am voting Avatar does not mean I am not taking note of other things.



The entire reset was confusing as all get out to me. Post 69 RD voted for TN and she says "again". Wake does a VC (post 85) missing RD's vote on TN and then Wake tells RD the GAME HAD NOT BEEN RESET when she made that vote in post 69, Wake states that in Post 90. RD then says in post 93 Wake was wrong it was after the reset. However, It was not until a full day later Wake went back and edited RD's post 93 and apologized for being incorrect. This correcting should have been made on a post itself not a teeny tiny "reason for post edit" IMO. It did nothing but serve to further confuse the confusion which already existed. Just my 2 cents.

I know you are busy Wake and I appreciate everything you do running these games. The entire thing was just terribly confusing.

 

[CaféAuLait]

For the 'damn' record [MENTION=854]Avatar4321[/MENTION]

Game #1~1 time. Was used jokingly
Game #2 and #3~Zero
Game #4~1 time (damned if you do, damned if you don't, doesn't fit my criteria)

unvote

LOL I was joking when I said that.

 

[Shaitra]

FAQ2 is tingling my scum sense. He came in this afternoon and made three posts, all basically saying Avatar was scum. Then he is gone again with no effort to look for other scum even though he states we shouldn't lynch too quickly and lose our chance to find Avatar's partners (should Avi flip scum). Is FA trying to be town when he's really scum?

 

[MeBelle]

For the 'damn' record [MENTION=854]Avatar4321[/MENTION]

Game #1~1 time. Was used jokingly
Game #2 and #3~Zero
Game #4~1 time (damned if you do, damned if you don't, doesn't fit my criteria)

unvote

LOL I was joking when I said that.

It piqued my curiosity...

Geeze, to play this game I need four windows open!

I just booted myself off the board, my computer is not being very cooperative.

Taking a break!

 

[MeBelle]

FAQ2 is tingling my scum sense. He came in this afternoon and made three posts, all basically saying Avatar was scum. Then he is gone again with no effort to look for other scum even though he states we shouldn't lynch too quickly and lose our chance to find Avatar's partners (should Avi flip scum). Is FA trying to be town when he's really scum?

FAQ isn't posting because SR isn't here and he wants to be in the DZ with her

 

[MeBelle]

For the 'damn' record [MENTION=854]Avatar4321[/MENTION]

Game #1~1 time. Was used jokingly
Game #2 and #3~Zero
Game #4~1 time (damned if you do, damned if you don't, doesn't fit my criteria)

unvote

I have to say I wasn't expecting you to actually go back and figure that out, lol Took me a minute to figure out what you were referencing.

Told you it's a bad habit.

Very bad habit!

Five minutes in the naughty chair for you young man!!

 

[Mertex]

Been thinking about it the last two hours while I was tending my lawn. The fact that I have over half the town ready to lynch me despite being town and telling the truth means that my methods are clearly not helping the town.

So I'm going to cut back. I'm going to be seen as scum whether I remain posting as I am or whether I change my tactics. I would have thought the fact that I'm actively leaving info for when you lynch me and I flip town would have convinced you. But I've clearly got zero ethos at this point to convince you guys.

You are wrong though. At this point I am not suspecting shaitra, TN, and ironically mertex.

And I though I'll change my tactics I am not changing my vote for grandma. You won't have to read as much but that early hammer intent is still scummy.

I'm willing to unvote since you're willing to take a look at how your posts have come across to us. A change for the better is always a good thing.

What are your reads on Shaitra, TN, and Mertex since you don't suspect them?

Personally, I'd like to see more posts from them.

Haven't seen enough from Shaitra and TN to get a good read. I'm leaning town on Shaitra.

As for TN, I don't know. I really have a hard time believing he rolled scum again after the reroll. But his silence isn't helping.

As for mertex, I was pushing for her day 1. She was pushing for me too. We now have more substantial information after mani flipped town and the NK. She is playing much like she did in earlier games when she was town. And she didn't jump on the wagon despite the fact that I know she is suspicious of me. That makes me read town.

I could be wrong about any of them. And I would like to hear more from everyone. But that's my take right now. I am willing to wait and see what turns up in the future.

Did you even read my response to Grandma? Sometimes I wonder if some of you (meaning players in this game) don't bother reading all the posts....your post seems oblivious to all that I said. Grandma's rush to lynch you or anyone seems scummy. Also, she's a tad too defensive in this game.

 

[R.D.]

And there's more - In the real MafiaScum games the experienced players wind up lynching a Townie 9 times out of 10 on Day 1. Since it's so likely that a Townie will be mislynched, it's best to go with a policy lynch - a low-volume, low-content player or one that seems anti-town.

Our low-volume players were FA, Mani, MeBelle, Shaitra, and TN.

FA didn't seem suspicious to me. However, Mertex and R.D. were all over him. Those two were pinging my scumdar with anti-town posts, so I thought they might be setting him up as a convenient sacrifice/mislynch.

FA was one of the 4, but you've decided it was scummy to pick him over the others.

Mani didn't seem suspicious to me and he wasn't. You pegged him as scum, not so much PL and pegged me town...so you were half right

http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-...ame-4-friends-and-enemies-12.html#post9492955

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9499152-post281.html

 

[CaféAuLait]

And there's more - In the real MafiaScum games the experienced players wind up lynching a Townie 9 times out of 10 on Day 1. Since it's so likely that a Townie will be mislynched, it's best to go with a policy lynch - a low-volume, low-content player or one that seems anti-town.

Our low-volume players were FA, Mani, MeBelle, Shaitra, and TN.

FA didn't seem suspicious to me. However, Mertex and R.D. were all over him. Those two were pinging my scumdar with anti-town posts, so I thought they might be setting him up as a convenient sacrifice/mislynch.

FA was one of the 4, but you've decided it was scummy to pick him over the others.

Mani didn't seem suspicious to me and he wasn't. You pegged him as scum, not so much PL and pegged me town...so you were half right

http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-...ame-4-friends-and-enemies-12.html#post9492955

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9499152-post281.html

( emphasis added)

Gosh, RD this reads so weird.


Just sayin'

 

[FA_Q2]

FAQ2 is tingling my scum sense. He came in this afternoon and made three posts, all basically saying Avatar was scum. Then he is gone again with no effort to look for other scum even though he states we shouldn't lynch too quickly and lose our chance to find Avatar's partners (should Avi flip scum). Is FA trying to be town when he's really scum?

No, I am just town.

I hadn’t really posted much more because I am rather busy and I didn’t have a whole lot more to add. So far there really isn’t anyone that sticks out as scum as much as Avatar. I still think that Mertex is rather scummy for the same reasons I stated in day one. Not much of that has really changed. However, Avatar was on the Mertex wagon on day one though but he pushed mani so take that for what it is worth.

I get a town read from you for now.

I get a town read from Café. Her posts have been the most helpful up to this point in hunting scum.

I agree with your assessment of Aye. She is a town read atm.

A vote for TN is nothing more than a policy lynch. While that might be allright if we had no real scum to vote for I do not like PL when there is someone that I strongly suspect of being scum. My vote is far better on the scum than on a PL.

R.D. seems town atm. Nothing there that really sticks out as scummy.

Grandma is a null right now. Some things that she has done are questionable but, like Rosie, it is just how grandma seems to play.

Rosie is as forceful as ever. This is the way she has played town as far as I can tell and does not seem scummy yet.

Ma is null for me. The one thing that she has done that has placed her on others radars is to unvote for me. As I know I am town, that is not scummy at all. Other than that, she simply has not posted enough to get any real read on her.


Those are my reads. Only 2 seem rather scummy to me. I don’t have any real clue as to who the third might be.

 

[Shaitra]

FAQ2 is tingling my scum sense. He came in this afternoon and made three posts, all basically saying Avatar was scum. Then he is gone again with no effort to look for other scum even though he states we shouldn't lynch too quickly and lose our chance to find Avatar's partners (should Avi flip scum). Is FA trying to be town when he's really scum?

No, I am just town.

I hadn’t really posted much more because I am rather busy and I didn’t have a whole lot more to add. So far there really isn’t anyone that sticks out as scum as much as Avatar. I still think that Mertex is rather scummy for the same reasons I stated in day one. Not much of that has really changed. However, Avatar was on the Mertex wagon on day one though but he pushed mani so take that for what it is worth.

I get a town read from you for now.

I get a town read from Café. Her posts have been the most helpful up to this point in hunting scum.

I agree with your assessment of Aye. She is a town read atm.

A vote for TN is nothing more than a policy lynch. While that might be allright if we had no real scum to vote for I do not like PL when there is someone that I strongly suspect of being scum. My vote is far better on the scum than on a PL.

R.D. seems town atm. Nothing there that really sticks out as scummy.

Grandma is a null right now. Some things that she has done are questionable but, like Rosie, it is just how grandma seems to play.

Rosie is as forceful as ever. This is the way she has played town as far as I can tell and does not seem scummy yet.

Ma is null for me. The one thing that she has done that has placed her on others radars is to unvote for me. As I know I am town, that is not scummy at all. Other than that, she simply has not posted enough to get any real read on her.


Those are my reads. Only 2 seem rather scummy to me. I don’t have any real clue as to who the third might be.

Not sure I totally agree. Her posting style has changed from day 1 to day 2 in this game. It's almost as if someone has told her she was coming across scummy. She was very forceful day 1 and now, not so much.

 

[Grandma]

First of all I want to apologize for my nasty attitude yesterday. I was coming down with some kind of bug. I still have it and being sick makes me cranky, so I apologize in advance for any excessive fuck yous.