Official suspects illegal entrants of voting in NM

[Angelhair]

History = the country in which you are taught about it - end of story.

The right to writing the history books always goes to the victor.

However, Maggie makes a valid point. This land did not belong to us (white Europeans) when we got here. We took it by force. I'd say we have done a lot of good with the progress we have brought along, but I'm sure there are some who will point to their dead and disagree with that.

Immie

Destiny my friends, destiny.

 

[WillowTree]

I object to being fingerprinted and I object to a National ID card.

and I am as American as they come...and THIS is why I object!!!

Most Americans got fingerprinted if they went into the US Armed Forces. Why not fingerprint everyone. If it prevented criminals from ruining the US, why would you object?

it's simply an invasion of privacy and breaks the constitution.... I am not in the military and I do not get my paycheck from the gvt..... and I am not a criminal, and I am not an illegal alien...the gvt has no power or justification to need my fingerprints or my blood for dna or any of that.... end of story.

do you think x rays and airport groping is an invasion of privacy? or knot?

 

[Immanuel]

Most Americans got fingerprinted if they went into the US Armed Forces. Why not fingerprint everyone. If it prevented criminals from ruining the US, why would you object?

it's simply an invasion of privacy and breaks the constitution.... I am not in the military and I do not get my paycheck from the gvt..... and I am not a criminal, and I am not an illegal alien...the gvt has no power or justification to need my fingerprints or my blood for dna or any of that.... end of story.

do you think x rays and airport groping is an invasion of privacy? or knot?

You know, now that I think about it, if they hired TSA agents from the staff of waitresses at Hooters, I might fly more often. Why do they always hire plain Janes or WWE rejects? I mean if I am going to be subjected to the groping, at least make it worth my while. Make it memorable dagnamit!

Immie

 

[Care4all]

Most Americans got fingerprinted if they went into the US Armed Forces. Why not fingerprint everyone. If it prevented criminals from ruining the US, why would you object?

it's simply an invasion of privacy and breaks the constitution.... I am not in the military and I do not get my paycheck from the gvt..... and I am not a criminal, and I am not an illegal alien...the gvt has no power or justification to need my fingerprints or my blood for dna or any of that.... end of story.

do you think x rays and airport groping is an invasion of privacy? or knot?

yes.

 

[MaggieMae]

[
You can stop your ignorant allegations, because I've never even gone to the La Raza website, clever as you think you are. The bottom line is the American Indian got its land taken by white settlers from across the pond. That they tried to defend their land and their families and brutality was part of that is rather moot. And yes, we paid off Mexico. Nice. I'm not anti-American, I just don't like the bullshit piled on by people who really haven't studied actual history.

They are not ignorant allegations. They are AMERICAN HISTORY without the political correctness filter added so Mexican children won't see how pathetic their people really are when compared to civilized Americans.

And since I assume you wouldn't like living in a teepee, how do you SCHOLARS think the North American continent would look today without those evil white people and their inventions?

Nice diversion. How is the FACT that the early Americans took all the Indian land a "politically correct" assertion? The politically correct assertions appear in our history books, which, to be honest, I can understand why. But that doesn't alter the truth.

 

[MaggieMae]

In my opinion, there is a lot of misinformation, some of it just plain silly, being spouted in this thread.

There are no people on Earth living on land that their group evolved from. Everybody's ancestors took land from somebody else going back as far as written history reaches and no doubt before then too. Had Santa Ana been a decent sort and benevolent dictator, the Texicans would have lived out their lives peacefully as Mexican citizens. But his excessive taxation and oppressive dictates became too much for the freedom loving Texans and eventually they revolted as people are wont to do when pushed far enough. Check your history books. It has happened time and time again all across the globe. At such time as the U.S. government devolves into an oppressive totalitarian regime, there will likely be another revolution here. And then will you brand the victors the bad guys?

Sometimes the revolutionary victors have made things much better. At times they've made them worse.

If you are going to fault those who took the land from Mexico, would you not also have to fault those who took the land from England? Again, if the Britsh had not been oppressive masters, the colonists would have lived out their lives as loyal British subjects.

In the Indian Wars, yes the Spaniards and other 'white men' did injustice to the Indians, but in the honest historical accounts, the Indians did some injustice of their own, both to the 'intruders' and to other Indians. There really are few innocent victims to be found in the broader truths of world history if you go by who deserves to have the land and who doesn't.

Only the most narrow minded ideologues demand that villains and victims be assigned in all aspects of history.

I'm not faulting anybody for taking land they need at the time for survival. I just made an off-the-cuff remark and it took on a life of its own.

 

[MaggieMae]

As for voter irregularities in New Mexico, only the most ignorant of the ignorant would deny that it happens. When you're working the polls and the non-English comes through the line with one of those English/Spanish ballots in hand, and before signing in turns to the person behind him/her and asks in Spanish: "Who am I supposed to vote for again?" you really do wonder. And that's not even counting the people distressed to see that their recently deceased spouse had already signed in and voted. No telling how many of those weren't caught though.

And New Mexico was declared a sanctuary state by our former governor who lobbied hard to get drivers' licenses for illegals. And the years I tried to show my I.D. at the polls and was waved off by poll workers who weren't allowed to even look at them.

And then there's the mysterious 'misplaced' ballot box that always seemed to show up to tip a really close election in another direction.

We have a governor now who is doing her damndest to clean up the mess, but New Mexico has never had anything other than a Democratic legislature since we became a state in 1912. And her best efforts in the current legislature to get the drivers' licenses for illegals stopped was sidetracked again by the Democrats. Illegals will continue to get drivers' licenses and will continue to be registered to vote here and there.

Oh please. My sister, who is three years older than me and is clueless about politics, national/world events because she chooses to be ignorant of those boring things, still remains adamant about her voting privileges. Since we now live in the same town, we go to the polling place together, and she ALWAYS asks me who she should be voting for (and what, if there are any referendums). We also have to vote for judges, and one year, she decided she would vote for all the women candidates, no men. So that practice can't be restricted just to Spanish speaking voters. In fact, I'd guess more than 50% of people who vote don't really have a grasp of the persons nor the issues those persons favor or don't.

 

[MaggieMae]

And then there's the mysterious 'misplaced' ballot box that always seemed to show up to tip a really close election in another direction.
Yes, I remember several of those mysteriously disappearing during the 2004 election in Ohio.

We have a governor now who is doing her damndest to clean up the mess, but New Mexico has never had anything other than a Democratic legislature since we became a state in 1912. And her best efforts in the current legislature to get the drivers' licenses for illegals stopped was sidetracked again by the Democrats. Illegals will continue to get drivers' licenses and will continue to be registered to vote here and there.

Any state that relies solely on a driver's license as proof of citizenship is only inviting fraud. But I think any revision to voting requirements needs to be simplified so that it doesn't give the appearance of creating a hardship on minority voters, which has been the problem in the past when states attempt to put harsher requirements in place.

 

[MaggieMae]

In my opinion, there is a lot of misinformation, some of it just plain silly, being spouted in this thread.

There are no people on Earth living on land that their group evolved from. Everybody's ancestors took land from somebody else going back as far as written history reaches and no doubt before then too. Had Santa Ana been a decent sort and benevolent dictator, the Texicans would have lived out their lives peacefully as Mexican citizens. But his excessive taxation and oppressive dictates became too much for the freedom loving Texans and eventually they revolted as people are wont to do when pushed far enough. Check your history books. It has happened time and time again all across the globe. At such time as the U.S. government devolves into an oppressive totalitarian regime, there will likely be another revolution here. And then will you brand the victors the bad guys?

Sometimes the revolutionary victors have made things much better. At times they've made them worse.

If you are going to fault those who took the land from Mexico, would you not also have to fault those who took the land from England? Again, if the Britsh had not been oppressive masters, the colonists would have lived out their lives as loyal British subjects.

In the Indian Wars, yes the Spaniards and other 'white men' did injustice to the Indians, but in the honest historical accounts, the Indians did some injustice of their own, both to the 'intruders' and to other Indians. There really are few innocent victims to be found in the broader truths of world history if you go by who deserves to have the land and who doesn't.

Only the most narrow minded ideologues demand that villains and victims be assigned in all aspects of history.

The only way an American can know who his friends are, is by opening the history books and see who stood by him in the past.

Past performance predicts future behavior. That is just common sense.

Except it's not always true. In the 80's, Saddam Hussein was a friend of the US. By the 90's he became the enemy.

 

[MaggieMae]

The right to writing the history books always goes to the victor.

However, Maggie makes a valid point. This land did not belong to us (white Europeans) when we got here. We took it by force. I'd say we have done a lot of good with the progress we have brought along, but I'm sure there are some who will point to their dead and disagree with that.

Immie

The earth belongs to God! If He didn't want "Europeans" to civilize the western hemisphere, he would have put a fence in the middle of the ocean.

Good point.

Although, I did not say we did not belong here only that those who lived here before us might see things differently than we do. I wonder what America would be like if we had never come. Probably like the third world countries that exist today. Maybe like the deepest darkest jungles of Africa?

Immie

Didn't the Ameican Indians show the colonialists how to harvest the land? In many third world countries today, the tribal people don't know how to sustain their people during draughts, etc. But the Indian knew how to treat Mother Earth, and it rewarded them. So I think the race certainly had the potential for intelligent progression just as much as the Anglos did, and have.

 

[MaggieMae]

it's simply an invasion of privacy and breaks the constitution.... I am not in the military and I do not get my paycheck from the gvt..... and I am not a criminal, and I am not an illegal alien...the gvt has no power or justification to need my fingerprints or my blood for dna or any of that.... end of story.

do you think x rays and airport groping is an invasion of privacy? or knot?

You know, now that I think about it, if they hired TSA agents from the staff of waitresses at Hooters, I might fly more often. Why do they always hire plain Janes or WWE rejects? I mean if I am going to be subjected to the groping, at least make it worth my while. Make it memorable dagnamit!

Immie

But Immie, they really want to keep those lines moving, you know.

 

[Immanuel]

The earth belongs to God! If He didn't want "Europeans" to civilize the western hemisphere, he would have put a fence in the middle of the ocean.

Good point.

Although, I did not say we did not belong here only that those who lived here before us might see things differently than we do. I wonder what America would be like if we had never come. Probably like the third world countries that exist today. Maybe like the deepest darkest jungles of Africa?

Immie

Didn't the Ameican Indians show the colonialists how to harvest the land? In many third world countries today, the tribal people don't know how to sustain their people during draughts, etc. But the Indian knew how to treat Mother Earth, and it rewarded them. So I think the race certainly had the potential for intelligent progression just as much as the Anglos did, and have.

I'm not sure about that, MM. If I remember my history correctly they introduced the settlers to Maize (corn), but, I'm certain farming was not unknown to the settlers.

Native Americans have plenty of "potential for intelligent progression", but they did not have the technological advancements that were made in Europe. Mostly, because they had different beliefs than Europeans did and they were happy to live with nature.

Too bad we didn't learn that from them!

It wasn't "intelligence" that kept them from advancing like Europe did, it was contentment with their lives here in "The New World".

Of course, that is all my opinion so take it for what it is worth.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

do you think x rays and airport groping is an invasion of privacy? or knot?

You know, now that I think about it, if they hired TSA agents from the staff of waitresses at Hooters, I might fly more often. Why do they always hire plain Janes or WWE rejects? I mean if I am going to be subjected to the groping, at least make it worth my while. Make it memorable dagnamit!

Immie

But Immie, they really want to keep those lines moving, you know.

Yeah, but I might be willing to go through the lines numerous times, if they hired the right people.

Immie

 

[MaggieMae]

Good point.

Although, I did not say we did not belong here only that those who lived here before us might see things differently than we do. I wonder what America would be like if we had never come. Probably like the third world countries that exist today. Maybe like the deepest darkest jungles of Africa?

Immie

Didn't the Ameican Indians show the colonialists how to harvest the land? In many third world countries today, the tribal people don't know how to sustain their people during draughts, etc. But the Indian knew how to treat Mother Earth, and it rewarded them. So I think the race certainly had the potential for intelligent progression just as much as the Anglos did, and have.

I'm not sure about that, MM. If I remember my history correctly they introduced the settlers to Maize (corn), but, I'm certain farming was not unknown to the settlers.

Native Americans have plenty of "potential for intelligent progression", but they did not have the technological advancements that were made in Europe. Mostly, because they had different beliefs than Europeans did and they were happy to live with nature.

Too bad we didn't learn that from them!

It wasn't "intelligence" that kept them from advancing like Europe did, it was contentment with their lives here in "The New World".

Of course, that is all my opinion so take it for what it is worth.

Immie

The best result would have been if they could have found common ground and worked together, each showing the other what they didn't know. How novel. Maybe if it had happened that long ago, we wouldn't be at such odds with each other 200+ years later. Our-way-or-the-highway became the norm.

 

[Immanuel]

Grrr! -- You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MaggieMae again.

Didn't the Ameican Indians show the colonialists how to harvest the land? In many third world countries today, the tribal people don't know how to sustain their people during draughts, etc. But the Indian knew how to treat Mother Earth, and it rewarded them. So I think the race certainly had the potential for intelligent progression just as much as the Anglos did, and have.

I'm not sure about that, MM. If I remember my history correctly they introduced the settlers to Maize (corn), but, I'm certain farming was not unknown to the settlers.

Native Americans have plenty of "potential for intelligent progression", but they did not have the technological advancements that were made in Europe. Mostly, because they had different beliefs than Europeans did and they were happy to live with nature.

Too bad we didn't learn that from them!

It wasn't "intelligence" that kept them from advancing like Europe did, it was contentment with their lives here in "The New World".

Of course, that is all my opinion so take it for what it is worth.

Immie

The best result would have been if they could have found common ground and worked together, each showing the other what they didn't know. How novel. Maybe if it had happened that long ago, we wouldn't be at such odds with each other 200+ years later. Our-way-or-the-highway became the norm.

From your lips, to God's ears.

Immie

 

[LostAmerican]

[
You can stop your ignorant allegations, because I've never even gone to the La Raza website, clever as you think you are. The bottom line is the American Indian got its land taken by white settlers from across the pond. That they tried to defend their land and their families and brutality was part of that is rather moot. And yes, we paid off Mexico. Nice. I'm not anti-American, I just don't like the bullshit piled on by people who really haven't studied actual history.

They are not ignorant allegations. They are AMERICAN HISTORY without the political correctness filter added so Mexican children won't see how pathetic their people really are when compared to civilized Americans.

And since I assume you wouldn't like living in a teepee, how do you SCHOLARS think the North American continent would look today without those evil white people and their inventions?

Nice diversion. How is the FACT that the early Americans took all the Indian land a "politically correct" assertion? The politically correct assertions appear in our history books, which, to be honest, I can understand why. But that doesn't alter the truth.

What gives Indians the right to hold civilization back? No one is stopping them from living in teepees instead of those casino resorts.

 

[LostAmerican]

[Oh please. My sister, who is three years older than me and is clueless about politics, national/world events because she chooses to be ignorant of those boring things, still remains adamant about her voting privileges. Since we now live in the same town, we go to the polling place together, and she ALWAYS asks me who she should be voting for (and what, if there are any referendums). We also have to vote for judges, and one year, she decided she would vote for all the women candidates, no men. So that practice can't be restricted just to Spanish speaking voters. In fact, I'd guess more than 50% of people who vote don't really have a grasp of the persons nor the issues those persons favor or don't.

I have a "no Latino" policy as far as voting. They won't admit the truth so they aren't entitled to the job.

 

[LostAmerican]

[Except it's not always true. In the 80's, Saddam Hussein was a friend of the US. By the 90's he became the enemy.

And Mexico only freeloads off of the United States.