[OFFICIAL] 2015 USMB STATE OF THE UNION

[toxicmedia]

My life is better today, than it was in 1986, 1996, and 2006.

I'm good.

If your life sucks, I'm proof that it doesn't have to suck.

If parts of the world beeing bad, or sucking, brings you down...that's your fault.

You could be happy if you want to, or are capable of being so.

Sounds like you don't want it.

I bet you'll be happy as a clam if a GOP president is elected in 2016, and the world will suddenly stop being bad.

What does that tell you?

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

If you cannot see the danger, then there is nothing anyone can do for you. You are living in fantasy land. But it makes ya feel good being naive, then go for it.

And the GOP strategy is complete...

1. You perceive a danger that doesn't exist.
2. You think voting Republican will end that danger
3. You're 100% right, and anyone who doesn't feel that way is misinformed.

You said your life is just fine, but you're worried about stuff you can't change.

When you pull the lever for Republicans, go ahead and think they'll save you from all bad things

you are being foolish. the danger of islamic terrorism is real, the danger of 18 trillion in debt is real, the danger of a welfare state is real.

I don't know if a GOP president will fix it, but I KNOW that another dem president will only make it worse.

This country is at a crossroads, we can return to constitutional government and individual freedom or we can become a carbon copy of failed european socialism.

That's all vapid GOP talkling points, and scare mongering

 

[toxicmedia]

My life is better today, than it was in 1986, 1996, and 2006.

I'm good.

If your life sucks, I'm proof that it doesn't have to suck.

If parts of the world beeing bad, or sucking, brings you down...that's your fault.

You could be happy if you want to, or are capable of being so.

Sounds like you don't want it.

I bet you'll be happy as a clam if a GOP president is elected in 2016, and the world will suddenly stop being bad.

What does that tell you?

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

 

[toxicmedia]

My life is better today, than it was in 1986, 1996, and 2006.

I'm good.

If your life sucks, I'm proof that it doesn't have to suck.

If parts of the world beeing bad, or sucking, brings you down...that's your fault.

You could be happy if you want to, or are capable of being so.

Sounds like you don't want it.

I bet you'll be happy as a clam if a GOP president is elected in 2016, and the world will suddenly stop being bad.

What does that tell you?

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

Every politician in Washington, on both sides of the aisle, fit s that characterization.

I'm both an originalist, for interpretation sake, but completely open to the "living document" concept.

If we want to amend it based on the changing times, thats good.

We're not seeing some great degredation going on, just life on life's terms

You can be a chicken little, or a reactionary....or, make the changes positive ones.

No we've seen a great degradation of it since Lincoln and especially since FDR. Don't get me wrong I don't blame it all on the executive branch, all three branches have done their share in fact the courts bear the majority of the responsibility because of their complicity and taking unto themselves the power to interpret the Constitution instead of just going by what it actually says.

You may feel the Constitution's original purpose has degraded, or eroded, since Lincoln and FDR...but at the same time...this country saw it's best days between 1900-2000, during all of that degradation.

The 13th Amendment dos not represent degradation, IMO, but the Volstead Act was a failure.

I think the notion that the Constitution has degraded since the founding fathers authored it, is largely a tool used by the GOP to bolster the resolve of it's strongest demographic, the southern evangelical social conservative base.

That strategy attempts to assuage the commonly accepted idea that the South is evil because, they were pro slavery in the 1800's. A culturally accepted perception, reinforced by the 60's Liberal revolution, is that southern Evangelical social conservatives are racists. Just look at Hollywood movies like Mississippi Burning, Easy Rider, Deliverance, and so on.

The danger in that philosophy is that the converse never happened. We don't have an example of what would have happened if the Constitution remained unaltered from 1790 on, nor do we have an example of what the south would be like if the Civil War never happened. It's easy to picture a Utopian version of what would have happened if we remained a Jeffersonian agricultural nation with a scholarly ruling class.

Our country has gone through eras where one of the three branches has essentially gained disproportionate influence. The latest shift to the executive started under George W Bush, and Obama has continued that.

If the outcome of any political platform results in the idea that the other guys are 100% wrong, and what would have happened is 100% right, if only you were in charge...you are the victim of the political version of "back seat driving"

As for changes to the Constitution, I'd like to see an Amendment prohibiting laws that ban gay marriage. I'm a voter, and will vote for politicians that would appoint SCOTUS Justices that would be more likely to support that.

No, I can actually read for myself. Article 1, Section 8 defined what the feds could raise money for and exactly what they could spend that money on. Clause 1 defines the two spending categories for which they may raise and collect monies, those being Common Defense and the General Welfare. The remainder of Section 8 defined exactly how those monies were to be applied to those two categories. The only clause of Section 8 that was intentionally written in a broad manner was the necessary and proper clause which gave congress the ability to legislate and appropriate to meet the needs of the other functions of government defined elsewhere in the Constitution.

The courts, when they defined General Welfare as an independent power unrestrained by the remainder of Section 8, gave congress unfettered power to raise money and spend on anything they might deem for the General welfare. This went against statements of many of the founders, including Jefferson and Madison, who stated clearly that was not the intent. Rationalize it anyway you want but we are living in a post-constitutional America. Politicians only bring up the Constitution now days when they think they can use it to bolster a political argument, otherwise they find it an inconvenience that might limit them in their pursuit of political pork.

I think it's you that needs to do a bit more research on the subject so you can see the reality of the situation instead of the bed of roses being sold by the politicians of both parties.

Here is what you don't understand....

I am in favor of politicians bringing up the Constitution when they think they can use it to bolster a political argument...assuming the argument is one a agree with, and I voted for that politician because it was part of their platform.

Conservative media has convinced righties certain things are just wrong, and they fling turds accordingly all day.

I can say the following words without thinking ill thoughts about who they apply to: liberals, Democrats, Harry Reid, Obamacare, and so on.

Jefferson and Madison were not the only people who have used their brains in America since their time. It is also a very different country with things going on they never could have imagined, good and bad.

The arguments created by the GOP to reinforce their base, have a completely contrived vision of what things would be like today "only if"........and that isn't sound reasoning

That's the very reason for Article 5, if something needs to be changed, you change it. You don't just ignore the supreme law of the land out of convenience, I don't give a crap who's bright idea it is. The intent was the States make the decision on changes not federal bureaucrats.

I don't care who makes the changes I want made as a voter.

If the current system as is, allows those who oppose it...whom I might add, lost the last election...to stop it, then there is a problem

 

[toxicmedia]

My life is better today, than it was in 1986, 1996, and 2006.

I'm good.

If your life sucks, I'm proof that it doesn't have to suck.

If parts of the world beeing bad, or sucking, brings you down...that's your fault.

You could be happy if you want to, or are capable of being so.

Sounds like you don't want it.

I bet you'll be happy as a clam if a GOP president is elected in 2016, and the world will suddenly stop being bad.

What does that tell you?

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

And what you just said is I have no way of countering your arguments.

Yep, if the results of the last election include putting people in office who carry out my wishes, thats what I want

 

[OKTexas]

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No we've seen a great degradation of it since Lincoln and especially since FDR. Don't get me wrong I don't blame it all on the executive branch, all three branches have done their share in fact the courts bear the majority of the responsibility because of their complicity and taking unto themselves the power to interpret the Constitution instead of just going by what it actually says.

You may feel the Constitution's original purpose has degraded, or eroded, since Lincoln and FDR...but at the same time...this country saw it's best days between 1900-2000, during all of that degradation.

The 13th Amendment dos not represent degradation, IMO, but the Volstead Act was a failure.

I think the notion that the Constitution has degraded since the founding fathers authored it, is largely a tool used by the GOP to bolster the resolve of it's strongest demographic, the southern evangelical social conservative base.

That strategy attempts to assuage the commonly accepted idea that the South is evil because, they were pro slavery in the 1800's. A culturally accepted perception, reinforced by the 60's Liberal revolution, is that southern Evangelical social conservatives are racists. Just look at Hollywood movies like Mississippi Burning, Easy Rider, Deliverance, and so on.

The danger in that philosophy is that the converse never happened. We don't have an example of what would have happened if the Constitution remained unaltered from 1790 on, nor do we have an example of what the south would be like if the Civil War never happened. It's easy to picture a Utopian version of what would have happened if we remained a Jeffersonian agricultural nation with a scholarly ruling class.

Our country has gone through eras where one of the three branches has essentially gained disproportionate influence. The latest shift to the executive started under George W Bush, and Obama has continued that.

If the outcome of any political platform results in the idea that the other guys are 100% wrong, and what would have happened is 100% right, if only you were in charge...you are the victim of the political version of "back seat driving"

As for changes to the Constitution, I'd like to see an Amendment prohibiting laws that ban gay marriage. I'm a voter, and will vote for politicians that would appoint SCOTUS Justices that would be more likely to support that.

No, I can actually read for myself. Article 1, Section 8 defined what the feds could raise money for and exactly what they could spend that money on. Clause 1 defines the two spending categories for which they may raise and collect monies, those being Common Defense and the General Welfare. The remainder of Section 8 defined exactly how those monies were to be applied to those two categories. The only clause of Section 8 that was intentionally written in a broad manner was the necessary and proper clause which gave congress the ability to legislate and appropriate to meet the needs of the other functions of government defined elsewhere in the Constitution.

The courts, when they defined General Welfare as an independent power unrestrained by the remainder of Section 8, gave congress unfettered power to raise money and spend on anything they might deem for the General welfare. This went against statements of many of the founders, including Jefferson and Madison, who stated clearly that was not the intent. Rationalize it anyway you want but we are living in a post-constitutional America. Politicians only bring up the Constitution now days when they think they can use it to bolster a political argument, otherwise they find it an inconvenience that might limit them in their pursuit of political pork.

I think it's you that needs to do a bit more research on the subject so you can see the reality of the situation instead of the bed of roses being sold by the politicians of both parties.

Here is what you don't understand....

I am in favor of politicians bringing up the Constitution when they think they can use it to bolster a political argument...assuming the argument is one a agree with, and I voted for that politician because it was part of their platform.

Conservative media has convinced righties certain things are just wrong, and they fling turds accordingly all day.

I can say the following words without thinking ill thoughts about who they apply to: liberals, Democrats, Harry Reid, Obamacare, and so on.

Jefferson and Madison were not the only people who have used their brains in America since their time. It is also a very different country with things going on they never could have imagined, good and bad.

The arguments created by the GOP to reinforce their base, have a completely contrived vision of what things would be like today "only if"........and that isn't sound reasoning

That's the very reason for Article 5, if something needs to be changed, you change it. You don't just ignore the supreme law of the land out of convenience, I don't give a crap who's bright idea it is. The intent was the States make the decision on changes not federal bureaucrats.

I don't care who makes the changes I want made as a voter.

If the current system as is, allows those who oppose it...whom I might add, lost the last election...to stop it, then there is a problem

So much for your being an originalist.

 

[Redfish]

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

If you cannot see the danger, then there is nothing anyone can do for you. You are living in fantasy land. But it makes ya feel good being naive, then go for it.

And the GOP strategy is complete...

1. You perceive a danger that doesn't exist.
2. You think voting Republican will end that danger
3. You're 100% right, and anyone who doesn't feel that way is misinformed.

You said your life is just fine, but you're worried about stuff you can't change.

When you pull the lever for Republicans, go ahead and think they'll save you from all bad things

you are being foolish. the danger of islamic terrorism is real, the danger of 18 trillion in debt is real, the danger of a welfare state is real.

I don't know if a GOP president will fix it, but I KNOW that another dem president will only make it worse.

This country is at a crossroads, we can return to constitutional government and individual freedom or we can become a carbon copy of failed european socialism.

That's all vapid GOP talkling points, and scare mongering

"talking points"? are you fricken crazy?

But I guess you agree with obozo that climate change is the most important issue facing this country.

the ignorance of some people is amazing, you prove that with each new post.

 

[Redfish]

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

 

[Redfish]

wake up man, this is not about hurling foolish allegations at each other. But for the record, my life is outstanding, I worked very hard for over 40 years, made a lot of money, made good investments, and now am retired in good health with a very comfortable life style.

I am not worried about you and me. I am worried about our kids and grandkids and what kind of country they will have to deal with.

My issue with obama, the dems, and the libs is that they do not reflect the american values that I hold dear. They seem determined to punish this country for its success as well as punishing successful people like you and me. We are losing freedoms every day due to this sociaiistic, marxist, collectivist mentality.

I don't know is a GOP president will change it, but I know that another dem will only make it worse.

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

And what you just said is I have no way of countering your arguments.

Yep, if the results of the last election include putting people in office who carry out my wishes, thats what I want

you say that, but earlier you were supporting obama. your credibility is very thin.

 

[toxicmedia]

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

If you cannot see the danger, then there is nothing anyone can do for you. You are living in fantasy land. But it makes ya feel good being naive, then go for it.

And the GOP strategy is complete...

1. You perceive a danger that doesn't exist.
2. You think voting Republican will end that danger
3. You're 100% right, and anyone who doesn't feel that way is misinformed.

You said your life is just fine, but you're worried about stuff you can't change.

When you pull the lever for Republicans, go ahead and think they'll save you from all bad things

you are being foolish. the danger of islamic terrorism is real, the danger of 18 trillion in debt is real, the danger of a welfare state is real.

I don't know if a GOP president will fix it, but I KNOW that another dem president will only make it worse.

This country is at a crossroads, we can return to constitutional government and individual freedom or we can become a carbon copy of failed european socialism.

That's all vapid GOP talkling points, and scare mongering

"talking points"? are you fricken crazy?

But I guess you agree with obozo that climate change is the most important issue facing this country.

the ignorance of some people is amazing, you prove that with each new post.

Once again, those GOP talking points you seem to think don't even exist, have worked well on you.

You can't imagine even listening to a point other than the GOP's.

You also have guessed wrong about me having a position to which I don't subscribe, on climate change

Any orginal thoughts?

 

[toxicmedia]

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

 

[toxicmedia]

I'm glad you're happy in your life, and what I've observed, is that people who are happy in their lives are much less likely to take a dim view of the world around them. One should be aware of the things they can control, and what they can't control. What happens to your kids, and grandkids, is largely up to your kids, and grandkids.

I think the idea that how we vote in federal elections can ruin the lives of your offspring, comes from the desks of political strategists. The Democratic strategists got Obama elected by cultivating the idea amongst minorities, that if we continue to elect old white guys, nothing will ever change for minorities. Predicting a horrible end if the other guy gets elected is the oldest strategy in the book.

We, as a nation, do not have any significant efforts being planned to transform America into a socialist-Stalinist Russia. In fact, I don't even believe the western European governments that are characterized as socialist, are ay kind of danger to liberty, democracy, or freedom. They just spend tax dollars on different things than America does. They spend more money on social programs, and we spend more money on the military.

I do not see the slightest danger from socialistic, marxist, collectivist mentality. In fact, I think it doesn't exist in any significant way. I do believe that's what the GOP wants people t think, as part of it's electioneering efforts

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

And what you just said is I have no way of countering your arguments.

Yep, if the results of the last election include putting people in office who carry out my wishes, thats what I want

you say that, but earlier you were supporting obama. your credibility is very thin.

The GOP has you programmed to believe that if you do not oppose Obama unilaterally, you support him......tsk tsk tsk...so sad.

Good thing I'm not concerned with your assessment of my credibility.

 

[RKMBrown]

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

Nonsense. You can't buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want. Didn't you hear? The EPA is outlawing certain kinds now.

Harmful to your neighbors now includes having a toilet that uses too many gallons of water (one that works right).

Freedom my ass. Govco takes half your income, where's the freedom in that? Where's the freedom in being forced to buy health insurance or pay a fine? Where's the freedom in being forced to buy into SS even knowing you won't get it all back, let alone interest on it? Where's the freedom in being forced to pay for hand-out programs? Where's the freedom in being forced to pay for a war on non-prescription drugs? Where's the freedom in being forced to pay for an endless war on that which we fear (terror)? Where's the freedom in being forced to use crap gas with ethonol? Where's the freedom in being forced to pay for our kids to go to liberal education camps?

 

[Redfish]

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

seems like you are providing evidence of the old saying, "thats the pot calling the kettle black".

you are the one in this debate who is stuck on one position and blindly opposes any other viewpoints. I have listened to the liberal arguments for the last 50 years, and have personally seen the failure of the entire liberal agenda. In this country we tried liberalism beginning with FDR and it has failed miserably. The rich/poor gap is larger than ever, there are more americans in poverty than ever before, there are more unemployed and under employed than ever before.

The liberal agenda has FAILED. We need to scrap it and get back to freedom and the constitution.

You are correct about one thing, both parties are responsible for the mess. liberalism is not limited to dems, although they are more devoted to it in general than repubs.

 

[Redfish]

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

And what you just said is I have no way of countering your arguments.

Yep, if the results of the last election include putting people in office who carry out my wishes, thats what I want

you say that, but earlier you were supporting obama. your credibility is very thin.

The GOP has you programmed to believe that if you do not oppose Obama unilaterally, you support him......tsk tsk tsk...so sad.

Good thing I'm not concerned with your assessment of my credibility.

My only programming is what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears. Obama is, was, and always will be, a terrible president. He has damaged this country severly in the last 6 years and will do a great deal more damage in his last two if allowed.

Thats not programming, thats reality.

 

[Redfish]

I don't know how old you are, but think back to the early to mid 60's, since then the government has insinuated itself into education, families, property rights and medicine just to name a few. Top down government is not what this country was founded on, it was meant to be bottom up. Now a parent fears disciplining a child because if the wrong person sees it they could be bankrupted with attorneys fees just for swatting an unruly child on the butt. The EPA can fine you for doing what heretofore has been accepted practices on your own land, such as building a stock pond. No what's going on now are definitely incursions on individual freedom and they are only getting worse, if you think that evolution was set in motion by accident you might be partially correct because power seeks ever more power, but the checks and balances built into our system haven't been adequate to stop it, and that's our fault because we have failed to educate several generations on our founding principles to make them aware that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

horseshit. go to your local home depot and try to buy a 60 watt incondescent bulb. Try to cut down a dead tree on your own property without a permit, try to drill a water well on your own property without a permit. try to put a solar panel on your roof without a permit.

 

[toxicmedia]

Everything you just wrote, and I read every word, is simply a long winded way of saying "get off my lawn"

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

horseshit. go to your local home depot and try to buy a 60 watt incondescent bulb. Try to cut down a dead tree on your own property without a permit, try to drill a water well on your own property without a permit. try to put a solar panel on your roof without a permit.

I'll buy you a bulb, and mail it to you. We have those all over the place

And that other stuff...go get your permit(s)

No you still have all your freedoms

Furthermore...light bulb shortages, as well as permits for wells, solar panels, and cutting down trees, are your 4 horsemen of the apocalypse?

A sign that America will become a socialist nightmare?

Remember what I said about this being all GOP drama?

 

[Redfish]

No, what he is saying is "give me my freedom back"

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

horseshit. go to your local home depot and try to buy a 60 watt incondescent bulb. Try to cut down a dead tree on your own property without a permit, try to drill a water well on your own property without a permit. try to put a solar panel on your roof without a permit.

I'll buy you a bulb, and mail it to you. We have those all over the place

And that other stuff...go get your permit(s)

No you still have all your freedoms

Furthermore...light bulb shortages, as well as permits for wells, solar panels, and cutting down trees, are your 4 horsemen of the apocalypse?

A sign that America will become a socialist nightmare?

Remember what I said about this being all GOP drama?

unless you live in China or Mexico there are no 60 watt incandescent bulbs at your home depot. But you can buy a nice LED bulb for $30.

 

[toxicmedia]

You haven't lost any of your freedoms

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

horseshit. go to your local home depot and try to buy a 60 watt incondescent bulb. Try to cut down a dead tree on your own property without a permit, try to drill a water well on your own property without a permit. try to put a solar panel on your roof without a permit.

I'll buy you a bulb, and mail it to you. We have those all over the place

And that other stuff...go get your permit(s)

No you still have all your freedoms

Furthermore...light bulb shortages, as well as permits for wells, solar panels, and cutting down trees, are your 4 horsemen of the apocalypse?

A sign that America will become a socialist nightmare?

Remember what I said about this being all GOP drama?

unless you live in China or Mexico there are no 60 watt incandescent bulbs at your home depot. But you can buy a nice LED bulb for $30.

Wow...no 60 watt bulbs?

We're doomed for sure now.

Satan has us where he wants us now.

It's rampant socialism.

 

[Mertex]

But according to the lapdog Lamestream media and his base of sheep Obama was a SMASH and smashed all of us with his brilliance.

oops, guess not

SNIP:
SOTU Ratings Sink to 15-Year Low
Viewership drops off by over 20 million since 2009
1.22.2015
News
Bradford Thomas

Total television viewership of President Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday fell to a 15-year low, dropping off by more than 20 million since his first address in 2009. AP notes that the president's 31.7 million viewers is a low that hasn't been attained since Clinton’s largely tuned-out final appearance before Congress in 2000.

While the White House claims 1.2 million people viewed its "enhanced" online version, suggesting online viewership might be in part to blame, most cite the president's "shellacking" at the polls in 2014 and his lame duck status as the main reasons for the viewership drop off.

Here are the Nielsen ratings for SOTUs dating back to Clinton's first term (note, some columns removed for formatting purposes):

all of it here:
SOTU Ratings Sink to 15-Year Low Truth Revolt

I guess you'd like to hear that Palin was a success on her Iowa speech.....sorry to disappoint you, she was more of a "fumbling failure" - even Kathleen Parker (right-wing journalist) agrees Palin was really bad.

Kathleen Parker The sacrifice of Sarah Palin CJOnline.com

 

[Redfish]

Really? How about freedom of speech, how about freedom of religion, how about freedom from an oppressive government? How about the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits? How about the freedom to do what one wants with his own land? How about the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb we want? Yes, we are losing freedoms, a little at a time so that fools like you won't realize it.

You still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to succeed or fail on ones own merits, and the freedom to buy whatever kind of lightbulb you want.

If by oppressive government, you're talking about the guys who won the election being in charge, well that's what happens when your side loses.

As for the freedom to do what one wants with his own land...as long as what you're doing on your land isn't illegal, or harmfull to your neighbors, you do have that freedom still.

And of course, the obligatory "you're a fool if you don't agree with me" schtick.....

this is gettin' old

horseshit. go to your local home depot and try to buy a 60 watt incondescent bulb. Try to cut down a dead tree on your own property without a permit, try to drill a water well on your own property without a permit. try to put a solar panel on your roof without a permit.

I'll buy you a bulb, and mail it to you. We have those all over the place

And that other stuff...go get your permit(s)

No you still have all your freedoms

Furthermore...light bulb shortages, as well as permits for wells, solar panels, and cutting down trees, are your 4 horsemen of the apocalypse?

A sign that America will become a socialist nightmare?

Remember what I said about this being all GOP drama?

unless you live in China or Mexico there are no 60 watt incandescent bulbs at your home depot. But you can buy a nice LED bulb for $30.

Wow...no 60 watt bulbs?

We're doomed for sure now.

Satan has us where he wants us now.

It's rampant socialism.

no, its an example of our loss of freedoms. laugh if it makes you feel good, but this country is at a crossroads.