Offending Theists

[eots]

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Let's pretend, for a moment, that there is a God. God's word tell us that everyone is born with a instinctive knowledge of the Creator. Now, wouldn't the truth be that you have convinced yourself that God doesn't exist? Think about it.

Psychology a science explains the god hypothesis. What I am convinced is that god is an ancient primitive notion and its the 21st century. Follow astronomy not astrology.

we live in a intelligent and infinite universe

Maybe but if you have no evidence a god exists dont present it as an answer to any questions about the universe.

There is plenty of evidence for the existence of God. You're simply too dimwitted to see it. Now, show me the evidence that life spontaneously created itself. Oh wait...there is none.

Show me evidence a creator created us. You have none. If you did god would be a scientific theory. Its not even a average theory. Doesnt qualify. Its only a hypothesis.

Just consider how stupid the Mormon and Mohammad stories are and realize Jesus is just as unbelievable.

its easy to use the strawman of organized relgion

 

[Meriweather]

I use to believe until I realized I was being asked to believe the unbelievable.

The only thing you and I agree on is that its amazing and I too would love to know the answers to all the questions like how did we get here but unlike you I'm not going to continue a superstitious belief when its just an ancient myth. Its time to start questioning the stories of the ancients.

You can be content with "must be god" I'll keep looking for the facts.

Looking for physical clues on how the physical universe was formed doesn't prevent us from following spiritual clues to God. This is not an either or. We can have both.

 

[eots]

And who created the creator? Or why do you just assume what made us is a god. Our creator might have parents. Grandparents too.

We can imagine a lot of wild things. Its OK until we start judging gays based on this hypothesis.

No, I would think the ultimate creator of life is beyond our human linear thinking and is infinite, without beginning or end

 

[Meriweather]

And who created the creator? Or why do you just assume what made us is a god. Our creator might have parents. Grandparents too.

Do you think there is a good possibility that the physical material that formed the universe always existed...in some form? Given enough time a mountain can be ground down to sand, packed back together and thrust back up--in a different location.

If this is true for the physical world, can the same be true of the spirit/intelligence? That it always existed?

Does it seem at all odd to you to think of animate intelligence settling for seeking the truth of the inanimate while dismissing the animate...to the point of sneering at people who do go in search of it?

 

[Mr.Right]

Gay Couple May Sue Church Of England Following Passage Of Marriage Equality Bill
Gay Couple May Sue Church Of England Following Passage Of Marriage Equality Bill

Let's pretend, for a moment, that there is a God. God's word tell us that everyone is born with a instinctive knowledge of the Creator. Now, wouldn't the truth be that you have convinced yourself that God doesn't exist? Think about it.

Psychology a science explains the god hypothesis. What I am convinced is that god is an ancient primitive notion and its the 21st century. Follow astronomy not astrology.

we live in a intelligent and infinite universe

Maybe but if you have no evidence a god exists dont present it as an answer to any questions about the universe.

There is plenty of evidence for the existence of God. You're simply too dimwitted to see it. Now, show me the evidence that life spontaneously created itself. Oh wait...there is none.

So then we should admit we dont know and agree neither of us has a good answer.

NO. It means that you should get rid of your preconceived notions, and take an objective look at the evidence. If Christians are right, your refusal to believe has eternal consequences. None of them are pleasant. You wouldn't be the first atheist to change his mind.

 

[sealybobo]

And who created the creator? Or why do you just assume what made us is a god. Our creator might have parents. Grandparents too.

We can imagine a lot of wild things. Its OK until we start judging gays based on this hypothesis.

No, I would think the ultimate creator of life is beyond our human linear thinking and is infinite, without beginning or end

Like the universe? And when I say the universe I dont just mean just the universe we happen to be in. I'm talking about the universe that is infinite light years old and will exist in an infinite number of light years from now. Nothing in our universe will exist in a google number of years but universes somewhere will. Think lava lamp.

 

[sealybobo]

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Gay Couple May Sue Church Of England Following Passage Of Marriage Equality Bill

Psychology a science explains the god hypothesis. What I am convinced is that god is an ancient primitive notion and its the 21st century. Follow astronomy not astrology.

we live in a intelligent and infinite universe

Maybe but if you have no evidence a god exists dont present it as an answer to any questions about the universe.

There is plenty of evidence for the existence of God. You're simply too dimwitted to see it. Now, show me the evidence that life spontaneously created itself. Oh wait...there is none.

So then we should admit we dont know and agree neither of us has a good answer.

NO. It means that you should get rid of your preconceived notions, and take an objective look at the evidence. If Christians are right, your refusal to believe has eternal consequences. None of them are pleasant. You wouldn't be the first atheist to change his mind.

I use to be a christian. Can't get any more objective than that. And the christian heaven hell hook doesnt work on me. Confirms that you're nothing more than a cult. Muslims say youre going to hell. You look at them like I look at you.

 

[sealybobo]

And who created the creator? Or why do you just assume what made us is a god. Our creator might have parents. Grandparents too.

Do you think there is a good possibility that the physical material that formed the universe always existed...in some form? Given enough time a mountain can be ground down to sand, packed back together and thrust back up--in a different location.

If this is true for the physical world, can the same be true of the spirit/intelligence? That it always existed?

Does it seem at all odd to you to think of animate intelligence settling for seeking the truth of the inanimate while dismissing the animate...to the point of sneering at people who do go in search of it?

We are all made of star stuff. But not our sun. We all come from other stars that died billions of years before our solar system formed. I think life is in meteors. Frozen rock with the 4 basic elements needed for life. DNA. Amino acids. Proteans.

I think the sun and our planet are living things and were born and will one day die.

What caused the big bang and our universe to start? Who knows. Our ancient ancestors came up with a god. Then organized religions lied and said he visited.

Think about it every religion is based on a lie.

 

[sealybobo]

Gay Couple May Sue Church Of England Following Passage Of Marriage Equality Bill
Gay Couple May Sue Church Of England Following Passage Of Marriage Equality Bill

Psychology a science explains the god hypothesis. What I am convinced is that god is an ancient primitive notion and its the 21st century. Follow astronomy not astrology.

we live in a intelligent and infinite universe

Maybe but if you have no evidence a god exists dont present it as an answer to any questions about the universe.

There is plenty of evidence for the existence of God. You're simply too dimwitted to see it. Now, show me the evidence that life spontaneously created itself. Oh wait...there is none.

So then we should admit we dont know and agree neither of us has a good answer.

NO. It means that you should get rid of your preconceived notions, and take an objective look at the evidence. If Christians are right, your refusal to believe has eternal consequences. None of them are pleasant. You wouldn't be the first atheist to change his mind.

If Mormons Jehovas or Muslims are right your refusal to believe has eternal consequences.

 

[sealybobo]

So a Christian just said if we just called gay marriages civil unions they wouldn't be offended. Sound like american Taliban bs to me.

So we can draw pics of Mohammad. We know that.

We know you can't be anti semetic or prejudice towards blacks. Can't say the N word.

Remember the southpark episode on Mormons? Apparently they arent off limits.

You can make fun of catholic priests but they did that to themselves.

Anything else we can do for your religions? Nows the time to ask.

There is just more to the picture .a large majority of gays are guilty of being totally reactionary to Christians and other faiths and seem to have the expectation that people of these faith should be required to approve of them to allow them to attend churches..get married in churches but not address biblical sins and its not realistic

The pope handled it beautiful. As a sinner he said "who am I to judge."

Catholics are starting to say being gay isnt a sin. But sex is a sin. But so is butt sex with your wife yet many catholic women like it in the ass. Condoms are bad. Premarital sex. Catholics sin all the time. What is gay sex worth? Probably 100 hail Marys and 20 our fathers.

If catholics couldn't sin there'd be no members.

 

[eots]

And who created the creator? Or why do you just assume what made us is a god. Our creator might have parents. Grandparents too.

Do you think there is a good possibility that the physical material that formed the universe always existed...in some form? Given enough time a mountain can be ground down to sand, packed back together and thrust back up--in a different location.

If this is true for the physical world, can the same be true of the spirit/intelligence? That it always existed?

Does it seem at all odd to you to think of animate intelligence settling for seeking the truth of the inanimate while dismissing the animate...to the point of sneering at people who do go in search of it?

We are all made of star stuff. But not our sun. We all come from other stars that died billions of years before our solar system formed. I think life is in meteors. Frozen rock with the 4 basic elements needed for life. DNA. Amino acids. Proteans.

I think the sun and our planet are living things and were born and will one day die.

What caused the big bang and our universe to start? Who knows. Our ancient ancestors came up with a god. Then organized religions lied and said he visited.

Think about it every religion is based on a lie.

Quantum Equations Suggest Big Bang Never Happened
February 10, 2015 | by Stephen Luntz

Two physicists are trying to revive one of the great debates of twentieth-century science, arguing that the Big Bang may never have happened. Their work presents a radically different vision of the universe from the one cosmologists now work with.

The term Big Bang was created by astrophysicist Fred Hoyle as a way to mock the theory. Hoyle thought of the universe as like an endlessly flowing river, saying “Things are they way they are, because they were the way they were.” However, the weight of evidence—particularly the discovery of the cosmic background radiation—led the scientific community to overwhelmingly favor the idea that the universe came into being from a single, infinitely dense point.
Quantum Equations Suggest Big Bang Never Happened IFLScience

 

[Meriweather]

We are all made of star stuff. But not our sun. We all come from other stars that died billions of years before our solar system formed. I think life is in meteors. Frozen rock with the 4 basic elements needed for life. DNA. Amino acids. Proteans.

I think the sun and our planet are living things and were born and will one day die.

What caused the big bang and our universe to start? Who knows. Our ancient ancestors came up with a god. Then organized religions lied and said he visited.

Think about it every religion is based on a lie.

From current day, back to ancient times, we have accounts of people who have had experiences with God. We have all wondered how this world came to be. If early man was simply making up a story, the easier story would be that an earlier, larger race of humans formed everything.

However, when human experiences of God are added into the equation, the more logical conclusion may have been, "The Great Spirit/God must have done it, because we humans surely could not."

Religion is complex, and some religions did develop from people/a person with a personal agenda. However, all of them--or those who honestly seek God, not a personal agenda--seem to have been taken over by a greater force. Even with this, religion is still plagued by people taking one or two facts or truths--and then building layers upon them as well as jumping to some pretty farfetched conclusions.

Knowing there is a God, I don't have the luxury of unbelief. What I can do is play the archaeologist and sift through the layers to attempt to determine what is of God and what is of man.

 

[Meriweather]

The pope handled it beautiful. As a sinner he said "who am I to judge."

Catholics are starting to say being gay isnt a sin.

Catholics are not "starting" to say being gay isn't a sin. That has been the Church's position for decades.

 

[sealybobo]

We are all made of star stuff. But not our sun. We all come from other stars that died billions of years before our solar system formed. I think life is in meteors. Frozen rock with the 4 basic elements needed for life. DNA. Amino acids. Proteans.

I think the sun and our planet are living things and were born and will one day die.

What caused the big bang and our universe to start? Who knows. Our ancient ancestors came up with a god. Then organized religions lied and said he visited.

Think about it every religion is based on a lie.

From current day, back to ancient times, we have accounts of people who have had experiences with God. We have all wondered how this world came to be. If early man was simply making up a story, the easier story would be that an earlier, larger race of humans formed everything.

However, when human experiences of God are added into the equation, the more logical conclusion may have been, "The Great Spirit/God must have done it, because we humans surely could not."

Religion is complex, and some religions did develop from people/a person with a personal agenda. However, all of them--or those who honestly seek God, not a personal agenda--seem to have been taken over by a greater force. Even with this, religion is still plagued by people taking one or two facts or truths--and then building layers upon them as well as jumping to some pretty farfetched conclusions.

Knowing there is a God, I don't have the luxury of unbelief. What I can do is play the archaeologist and sift through the layers to attempt to determine what is of God and what is of man.

We've had people who encountered aliens and bigfoot too.

 

[Meriweather]

We've had people who encountered aliens and bigfoot too.

Not to mention all the times we as people have missed something directly in front of us, then remarking with the well-known quote, "It was hiding in plain sight."

 

[sealybobo]

We've had people who encountered aliens and bigfoot too.

Not to mention all the times we as people have missed something directly in front of us, then remarking with the well-known quote, "It was hiding in plain sight."

Coming from a former theist I find it amazing that I believed such a foolish notion for so long and I'm amazed how hard wired god is into our cultures. But since I realize how they use it to control us and how its been forced on us for 7000 years I guess I understand. That and the fact most people believe because they can't imagine otherwise. Must be a god is what they say. False.

 

[Meriweather]

Coming from a former theist I find it amazing that I believed such a foolish notion for so long and I'm amazed how hard wired god is into our cultures. But since I realize how they use it to control us and how its been forced on us for 7000 years I guess I understand. That and the fact most people believe because they can't imagine otherwise. Must be a god is what they say. False.

I can understand former theists rejecting many religious beliefs. On top of that is the problem of people rejecting teachings they misunderstood as children, and should have been rejected and replaced with a correct understanding as they matured. Then we have all the media attention given to the fringe who will not consider scientific knowledge.

However, rejecting God is like finding a couple of errors in a textbook and then rejecting math instead of working/searching for the correct solutions to the errors. In an old children's catechism we are taught God made us to know Him. That means sorting through all the misinformation floating around and identifying the truth. This is how any scientist works.

 

[sealybobo]

Coming from a former theist I find it amazing that I believed such a foolish notion for so long and I'm amazed how hard wired god is into our cultures. But since I realize how they use it to control us and how its been forced on us for 7000 years I guess I understand. That and the fact most people believe because they can't imagine otherwise. Must be a god is what they say. False.

I can understand former theists rejecting many religious beliefs. On top of that is the problem of people rejecting teachings they misunderstood as children, and should have been rejected and replaced with a correct understanding as they matured. Then we have all the media attention given to the fringe who will not consider scientific knowledge.

However, rejecting God is like finding a couple of errors in a textbook and then rejecting math instead of working/searching for the correct solutions to the errors. In an old children's catechism we are taught God made us to know Him. That means sorting through all the misinformation floating around and identifying the truth. This is how any scientist works.

There's nothing scientific about hoping or wanting something to be true.

Long before religions invented stories about god visiting we debated how something must have made everything. But science says that's not necessarily true. Or doesnt have to be. And why does the creator have to be a god? And where did heaven and hell come from. Bla bla bla. The problem with god as the answer is that your answer brings up more questions. An answer is supposed to answer questions not bring up 100 more especially when you can't answer those questions.

 

[sealybobo]

Coming from a former theist I find it amazing that I believed such a foolish notion for so long and I'm amazed how hard wired god is into our cultures. But since I realize how they use it to control us and how its been forced on us for 7000 years I guess I understand. That and the fact most people believe because they can't imagine otherwise. Must be a god is what they say. False.

I can understand former theists rejecting many religious beliefs. On top of that is the problem of people rejecting teachings they misunderstood as children, and should have been rejected and replaced with a correct understanding as they matured. Then we have all the media attention given to the fringe who will not consider scientific knowledge.

However, rejecting God is like finding a couple of errors in a textbook and then rejecting math instead of working/searching for the correct solutions to the errors. In an old children's catechism we are taught God made us to know Him. That means sorting through all the misinformation floating around and identifying the truth. This is how any scientist works.

I have a perfect 10 waiting here in my condo for you with 10 million dollars. All you have to do is come here.

You aren't coming? Why are you rejecting her and the money?

 

[Meriweather]

I have a perfect 10 waiting here in my condo for you with 10 million dollars. All you have to do is come here.

You aren't coming? Why are you rejecting her and the money?

Grumble, grumble. You have a perfect ten for my husband? I think most can understand my lack of interest.