Ocean rising may continue even after warming stops

[Old Rocks]

Now that is total bullshit, and you know it, Walleyes.

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century

 

[westwall]

Now that is total bullshit, and you know it, Walleyes.

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century

Try blowing up the graph and showing us a detail of it then big mouth.

 

[code1211]

CEOS

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century. The exact source of the accelerated rise is uncertain, but, with regard to future uncertainty, attention is being given to understanding the rate of loss of ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. About half of the sea level rise during the first decade of the altimeter record can be attributed to thermal expansion due to a warming of the oceans; the other major contributions include the combined effects of melting glaciers and ice sheets.

So we have a vertical rise of sea level of 236 mm since 1900?

That is a rise of the sea level of a little more than 9 inches vertically since 1900. Really? Seriously? Where is the evidence that this has happened? Can you demonstrate with all of the shorelines in the world that the sea level has risen by a little more than 9 inches vertically. Maybe a couple shorelines?

If you are going to make an absolutely outrageous and unprovable claim like this and expect anyone to believe it, shouldn't there be some evidence that the claim is right or even rational?

Let's take a lookie lew at Miami Beach and long Beach. Both inhabited for thousands of years and both still above water. Go figure.

Just a couple clips:

The Miami area was first inhabited for more than one thousand years by the Tequestas, but was later claimed for Spain in 1566 by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. A Spanish mission was constructed one year later in 1567. In 1836, Fort Dallas was built, and the Miami area subsequently became a site of fighting during the Second Seminole War.

Indigenous peoples have lived in coastal southern California for at least ten thousand years. Over the centuries, several successive cultures inhabited the present-day area of Long Beach. By the time Spanish explorers arrived in the sixteenth century, the dominant group were the Tongva people. They had at least three major settlements within the present-day city boundaries. Tevaaxa'anga was an inland settlement near the Los Angeles River, while Ahwaanga and Povuu'nga were coastal villages. Along with other Tongva villages, they were forced to relocate in the mid-19th century due to missionization, political change, and a drastic drop in population from exposure to European diseases.[3]


Millimeters to Inches (mm to inches) conversion calculator

 

[rdean]

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that every glacier everywhere has melted. The Greenland Ice Sheet is melting faster than ever. The sheet of ice in Antarctica is melting so fast that it's breaking apart and does so in exactly the same place every year.

Which coastal city on the planet is now under water due to sea level rise? There are quite a few to choose from if only there was one that had some evidence to support your claim. Evidence is such an easy thing to find if there is actrually something that produced it.

San Francisco? Long Beech? New York? Miami? Naples? Tripoli? Dubai? Hong Kong? Honolulu? Anchorage? Rio? All of these cities have had coast lines for a long time. Which one is under water?

Republican science: "I seem to recall hearing somewhere."

Alarmist hand wringer science "I made this crap up and thinking people don't believe it but
scientific illiterates eat it up."

You mean like Nobel Prize winners and NASA scientists?

 

[rdean]

CEOS

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century. The exact source of the accelerated rise is uncertain, but, with regard to future uncertainty, attention is being given to understanding the rate of loss of ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. About half of the sea level rise during the first decade of the altimeter record can be attributed to thermal expansion due to a warming of the oceans; the other major contributions include the combined effects of melting glaciers and ice sheets.

So we have a vertical rise of sea level of 236 mm since 1900?

That is a rise of the sea level of a little more than 9 inches vertically since 1900. Really? Seriously? Where is the evidence that this has happened? Can you demonstrate with all of the shorelines in the world that the sea level has risen by a little more than 9 inches vertically. Maybe a couple shorelines?

If you are going to make an absolutely outrageous and unprovable claim like this and expect anyone to believe it, shouldn't there be some evidence that the claim is right or even rational?

Let's take a lookie lew at Miami Beach and long Beach. Both inhabited for thousands of years and both still above water. Go figure.

Just a couple clips:

The Miami area was first inhabited for more than one thousand years by the Tequestas, but was later claimed for Spain in 1566 by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. A Spanish mission was constructed one year later in 1567. In 1836, Fort Dallas was built, and the Miami area subsequently became a site of fighting during the Second Seminole War.

Indigenous peoples have lived in coastal southern California for at least ten thousand years. Over the centuries, several successive cultures inhabited the present-day area of Long Beach. By the time Spanish explorers arrived in the sixteenth century, the dominant group were the Tongva people. They had at least three major settlements within the present-day city boundaries. Tevaaxa'anga was an inland settlement near the Los Angeles River, while Ahwaanga and Povuu'nga were coastal villages. Along with other Tongva villages, they were forced to relocate in the mid-19th century due to missionization, political change, and a drastic drop in population from exposure to European diseases.[3]


Millimeters to Inches (mm to inches) conversion calculator

I would rather believe scientists who study and learn about earthquakes and hurricanes and other topology changing forces than right wingers who give reasons on why it couldn't have happened based on right wing "common sense" and a "gut feeling".

 

[daveman]

CEOS

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century. The exact source of the accelerated rise is uncertain, but, with regard to future uncertainty, attention is being given to understanding the rate of loss of ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. About half of the sea level rise during the first decade of the altimeter record can be attributed to thermal expansion due to a warming of the oceans; the other major contributions include the combined effects of melting glaciers and ice sheets.

So we have a vertical rise of sea level of 236 mm since 1900?

That is a rise of the sea level of a little more than 9 inches vertically since 1900. Really? Seriously? Where is the evidence that this has happened? Can you demonstrate with all of the shorelines in the world that the sea level has risen by a little more than 9 inches vertically. Maybe a couple shorelines?

If you are going to make an absolutely outrageous and unprovable claim like this and expect anyone to believe it, shouldn't there be some evidence that the claim is right or even rational?

Let's take a lookie lew at Miami Beach and long Beach. Both inhabited for thousands of years and both still above water. Go figure.

Just a couple clips:

The Miami area was first inhabited for more than one thousand years by the Tequestas, but was later claimed for Spain in 1566 by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. A Spanish mission was constructed one year later in 1567. In 1836, Fort Dallas was built, and the Miami area subsequently became a site of fighting during the Second Seminole War.

Indigenous peoples have lived in coastal southern California for at least ten thousand years. Over the centuries, several successive cultures inhabited the present-day area of Long Beach. By the time Spanish explorers arrived in the sixteenth century, the dominant group were the Tongva people. They had at least three major settlements within the present-day city boundaries. Tevaaxa'anga was an inland settlement near the Los Angeles River, while Ahwaanga and Povuu'nga were coastal villages. Along with other Tongva villages, they were forced to relocate in the mid-19th century due to missionization, political change, and a drastic drop in population from exposure to European diseases.[3]


Millimeters to Inches (mm to inches) conversion calculator

I would rather believe scientists who study and learn about earthquakes and hurricanes and other topology changing forces than right wingers who give reasons on why it couldn't have happened based on right wing "common sense" and a "gut feeling".

So...you have no physical evidence.

 

[code1211]

CEOS

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century. The exact source of the accelerated rise is uncertain, but, with regard to future uncertainty, attention is being given to understanding the rate of loss of ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. About half of the sea level rise during the first decade of the altimeter record can be attributed to thermal expansion due to a warming of the oceans; the other major contributions include the combined effects of melting glaciers and ice sheets.

So we have a vertical rise of sea level of 236 mm since 1900?

That is a rise of the sea level of a little more than 9 inches vertically since 1900. Really? Seriously? Where is the evidence that this has happened? Can you demonstrate with all of the shorelines in the world that the sea level has risen by a little more than 9 inches vertically. Maybe a couple shorelines?

If you are going to make an absolutely outrageous and unprovable claim like this and expect anyone to believe it, shouldn't there be some evidence that the claim is right or even rational?

Let's take a lookie lew at Miami Beach and long Beach. Both inhabited for thousands of years and both still above water. Go figure.

Just a couple clips:

The Miami area was first inhabited for more than one thousand years by the Tequestas, but was later claimed for Spain in 1566 by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. A Spanish mission was constructed one year later in 1567. In 1836, Fort Dallas was built, and the Miami area subsequently became a site of fighting during the Second Seminole War.

Indigenous peoples have lived in coastal southern California for at least ten thousand years. Over the centuries, several successive cultures inhabited the present-day area of Long Beach. By the time Spanish explorers arrived in the sixteenth century, the dominant group were the Tongva people. They had at least three major settlements within the present-day city boundaries. Tevaaxa'anga was an inland settlement near the Los Angeles River, while Ahwaanga and Povuu'nga were coastal villages. Along with other Tongva villages, they were forced to relocate in the mid-19th century due to missionization, political change, and a drastic drop in population from exposure to European diseases.[3]


Millimeters to Inches (mm to inches) conversion calculator

I would rather believe scientists who study and learn about earthquakes and hurricanes and other topology changing forces than right wingers who give reasons on why it couldn't have happened based on right wing "common sense" and a "gut feeling".

That is obvious. I'm not saying that it couln not have happened. I'm saying that if it did happen, there should be some evidence. If there is please produce the evidence that counters the empirical evidence that the coastlines have not changed.

It seems like the coast lines should change if the water is rising. If the coast line stays the same AND the water is rising, are we to assume that the land is rising at the same rate as the sea?

How many ridiculous assertions must be piled one atop another to prolong this farce?

 

[westwall]

Republican science: "I seem to recall hearing somewhere."

Alarmist hand wringer science "I made this crap up and thinking people don't believe it but
scientific illiterates eat it up."

You mean like Nobel Prize winners and NASA scientists?

A pig dressed up real nice in bangles and diamonds is still a pig deanie. Those that you mention are frauds and the Nobel Committee is predominantly geared towards political activism not science for science's sake. But then you allready know that.

 

[WillowTree]

CEOS

Since the beginning of high-accuracy satellite altimetry in the early 1990s, global mean sea level has been shown by both tide gauges and altimeters to be rising at a rate of just above 3 mm/year, compared to a rate of less than 2 mm/year from tide gauges over the previous century. The exact source of the accelerated rise is uncertain, but, with regard to future uncertainty, attention is being given to understanding the rate of loss of ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. About half of the sea level rise during the first decade of the altimeter record can be attributed to thermal expansion due to a warming of the oceans; the other major contributions include the combined effects of melting glaciers and ice sheets.

Tell ya what Moron. Send us a warning when Al goreacle moves AWAY from the ocean. TIA.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The ocean rise is "Lagging" the ice melt.











"Oh snap! We're supposed to be rising!" -- Atlantic Ocean

"Trouble me not, I'm visit a Dunkin Donuts" -- Indian Ocean

"Chill out! It's too early to rise" -- Pacific Ocean

Maybe the Neanderthal will help the oceans rise?

Maybe we can send up a Space Shuttle flight to go check...oh, fuck, that's right! Obama killed the Shuttle Program!

"Moreover, ocean warming is lagging behind the warming of the atmosphere. The melting of large polar ice sheets lags even farther behind."

Is that what you think this means?

Actually, if you think about it. The glaciers have to melt before the oceans rise. But that's not what they were talking about.

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that every glacier everywhere has melted. The Greenland Ice Sheet is melting faster than ever. The sheet of ice in Antarctica is melting so fast that it's breaking apart and does so in exactly the same place every year.

Which coastal city on the planet is now under water due to sea level rise? There are quite a few to choose from if only there was one that had some evidence to support your claim. Evidence is such an easy thing to find if there is actrually something that produced it.

San Francisco? Long Beech? New York? Miami? Naples? Tripoli? Dubai? Hong Kong? Honolulu? Anchorage? Rio? All of these cities have had coast lines for a long time. Which one is under water?

When your only dealing with maybe 6 cm since 1994 please tell me what one of those cities are going to be flooded? Really. http://processtrends.com/images/RClimate_sea_level_latest.png

 

[code1211]

"Moreover, ocean warming is lagging behind the warming of the atmosphere. The melting of large polar ice sheets lags even farther behind."

Is that what you think this means?

Actually, if you think about it. The glaciers have to melt before the oceans rise. But that's not what they were talking about.

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that every glacier everywhere has melted. The Greenland Ice Sheet is melting faster than ever. The sheet of ice in Antarctica is melting so fast that it's breaking apart and does so in exactly the same place every year.

Which coastal city on the planet is now under water due to sea level rise? There are quite a few to choose from if only there was one that had some evidence to support your claim. Evidence is such an easy thing to find if there is actrually something that produced it.

San Francisco? Long Beech? New York? Miami? Naples? Tripoli? Dubai? Hong Kong? Honolulu? Anchorage? Rio? All of these cities have had coast lines for a long time. Which one is under water?

When your only dealing with maybe 6 cm since 1994 please tell me what one of those cities are going to be flooded? Really. http://processtrends.com/images/RClimate_sea_level_latest.png

Is it your thesis, then, is that none of these cities were located on their current sites prior to 1994 when, as a side note, the rising oceans are said to have accelerated their rise from about 2 mm/year to about 3 mm/ year.

If these cities had been located on their current sites in 1900, picking a date out of the air, and the oceans had risen at the rate specified by the "experts", 2 mm/year, then the sea level would have risen vertically by more than 9 inches.

The "facts" that I use are the ones presented by those who are calling for action to stop the calamity. Have the beeches in these cities vanished or shrunk dramatically? The Girls Gone Wild videos would present a strong argument against.

Those who are raising the alarm are saying that the situation is dramatic and that action is required AND they quote statistics and present them as fact. Facts have evidence.

Where is it?