Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

But there is a list - from the protesters - or are you saying that that list is so ******* ridiculous that you're trying to disassociate yourselves from it now?

I am saying that the list you are talking about IS NOT from "the protesters." It is from one single person posting somewhere or other under a banner that is also used by a semi-official site (there is no real-true official site). I have gone to that semi-official site and not found that page with the list of demands anywhere. If it's there at all, it's on the forum somewhere buried deep down. That could be. Or it could be that someone ripped off the masthead and is using it to create a hoax.

Either way, it is NOT a list of demands by the movement.

Well, I wish they did have a list of demands, then maybe I'd know what the hell it is they want.

I find their message to be very foggy. Why aren't they working? If I wasn't working I'd have to be aggressively seeking work, not fooling around at a protest. Who supports them? Welfare? Unemployment? Family members? Are they spending all their savings so they can occupy Wallstreet instead of working? Not too bright. I HAVE TO work.

What exactly is it they want? Sounds like they have issues with Capitalism.
 
Well, I wish they did have a list of demands, then maybe I'd know what the hell it is they want.

I find their message to be very foggy. Why aren't they working? If I wasn't working I'd have to be aggressively seeking work, not fooling around at a protest. Who supports them? Welfare? Unemployment? Family members? Are they spending all their savings so they can occupy Wallstreet instead of working? Not too bright. I HAVE TO work.

What exactly is it they want? Sounds like they have issues with Capitalism.

Their demands are simple;
"Gimmee gimmee gimmee."
 
Well, I wish they did have a list of demands, then maybe I'd know what the hell it is they want.

I find their message to be very foggy. Why aren't they working? If I wasn't working I'd have to be aggressively seeking work, not fooling around at a protest. Who supports them? Welfare? Unemployment? Family members? Are they spending all their savings so they can occupy Wallstreet instead of working? Not too bright. I HAVE TO work.

What exactly is it they want? Sounds like they have issues with Capitalism.

Their demands are simple;
"Gimmee gimmee gimmee."

That's kind of what I thought.
 
There is nothing more naive than to believe that attacking the carcass of a stagnant economy is actually gonna result in prosperity and redistribution. You have NO evidence that the measly $100Bill or so in revenue that all this whining is about will end up in the pockets of the bottom 10%.

Ah. Well, it's coming out of the Obama Administration, so indeed that's arguable. (Or even in the hands of the bottom 80%, which is what's really needed.)

However, please don't confuse me with an Obama supporter. Especially in the context of a thread like this one.

Especially if your leadership continues to ignore the REAL changes to America that need to
You will never secure a better future for the lower 50% of America by simply moving EXISTING wealth around.

There's where I disagree. The reason why the economy is underproducing (and underemploying) is because the existing wealth is severely maldistributed. A program that would drive up real wages, and in other wholesale ways redistribute wealth downward is exactly what's needed.

Agreed, however, that that's not what we're likely to see out of either party in government as they currently exist. And that's why these disproportionately-young people, who in 2008 worked within the electoral system to elect Obama and other Democrats, have turned outside it to protest in the streets.
 
The reason why the economy is floundering has nothing to do with maldistribution of wealth. That's SILLY. and really STUPID.

The real reason is instability. No one trusts this government. They won't hire, expand, or spend. Not in the US at any rate, they are happy to do everything in a more stable government.
 
The reason why the economy is floundering has nothing to do with maldistribution of wealth. That's SILLY. and really STUPID.

With all due respect, Dragon is silly and really kind of stupid.

The real reason is instability. No one trusts this government. They won't hire, expand, or spend. Not in the US at any rate, they are happy to do everything in a more stable government.

Yep, that pretty much covers it.
 
As an aside. This thread is extremely popular. The Original Post was on October 4, 2011. There have been 1405 posts, and 12,575 views. This might be some kind of record. Occupy Wall Street - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any way you look at this it is good for USMB, America, and perhaps the world beyond. Hey Tea Party, please take the 99% seriously, and consider joining up with OWS, Occupy Wall Street. Official Website, http://occupywallst.org/

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As an aside. This thread is extremely popular. The Original Post was on October 4, 2011. There have been 1405 posts, and 12,575 views. This might be some kind of record breaker.


Who asked, shitstain?
 
Logically, investment is like gambling. You put your money down in a risk and hope you make a profit. Really, only someone with money can lose in a bad investment. The more you win at that poker table, the more you sit and play until you have a big pile of chips. Every hand you play is another risk. You could lose you could win.

However, if the player is told "Even if you win, we won't let you keep your chips. We won't tell you how many of the chips you won we're going to keep either." No one is going to play in that game. They just won't. They'll go someplace else. Which is exactly what business is doing.
 
As an aside. This thread is extremely popular. The Original Post was on October 4, 2011. There have been 1405 posts, and 12,575 views. This might be some kind of record breaker.


Who asked, shitstain?

Most posters would be embarrassed at the way I publicly nailed you for not understanding that La Raza has, among it's purposes, is for turning the U. S. Border States into province of Mexico known as Aztlan. I am ready to nail you again anytime, but not in this serious thread. No one wants your unsubstantiated malarkey here. Start up off-topic and I will turn you into the moderators - next post. These are real posters here, and I am not going to let you mess up this thread for them. I am done messing with you.

The subject of this thread is, "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows."​
 
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There is nothing more naive than to believe that attacking the carcass of a stagnant economy is actually gonna result in prosperity and redistribution. You have NO evidence that the measly $100Bill or so in revenue that all this whining is about will end up in the pockets of the bottom 10%.

Ah. Well, it's coming out of the Obama Administration, so indeed that's arguable. (Or even in the hands of the bottom 80%, which is what's really needed.)

However, please don't confuse me with an Obama supporter. Especially in the context of a thread like this one.

Especially if your leadership continues to ignore the REAL changes to America that need to
You will never secure a better future for the lower 50% of America by simply moving EXISTING wealth around.

There's where I disagree. The reason why the economy is underproducing (and underemploying) is because the existing wealth is severely maldistributed. A program that would drive up real wages, and in other wholesale ways redistribute wealth downward is exactly what's needed.

Agreed, however, that that's not what we're likely to see out of either party in government as they currently exist. And that's why these disproportionately-young people, who in 2008 worked within the electoral system to elect Obama and other Democrats, have turned outside it to protest in the streets.

Wow.. You're political agility here leaves me speechless. Particularly that you get the part about the elite 537 elected officials that run the entire country. Pretty bleak when you consider that any one of us gets to choose just 5 of them. The other unaccountable mass of 10,000 Washington bureaucrats gets to perform mediocre level work and escape scrutiny for the most part.

So --- then I'm actually working to your ends because my concern is getting ballot access. And when you're done arguing about whether to make or buy sleeping bags for your occupations, you might actually WANT some actual political ACCESS. Come talk to me. Which BTW is another example of why GOVT (not the corporate beggars) are the CAUSE of the collusion. Because in the case of ballot access barriers -- it's CLEAR that power has been usurped in order to maintain the cozy 2 party monopoly. Can't blame wealth, or corporations or Wall Street there --- can we???

Anyway -- the idea that "redistributing wealth downward" is all that is required is still not logical or rational. Simple math illustrates that. Take $100Bill/yr and split it amongst the roughly 100Mill households (as if Washington could even accomplish that) that represent the bottom 50% and that comes to a subsidy of $1000 per year. Just over what is being done now in FICA breaks and other temp stimuli. $80 per month for as long as it takes the economy to slip into the abyss whilst you burn the carcass.. Pitiful plan --- really dude...

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT if better educated, business motivated masses are gonna rise out of that and create High Tech Jobs for the 21st Century. That alone is what's gonna keep American standard of living. NOT redistribution of cash thru political channels. Bet you don't even make a dent in drug abuse, HS dropouts, or creation of new Industries with that pitiful plan..

But at least you're not totally whacked with undue expectations about competence and excellence in government.
 
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As an aside. This thread is extremely popular. The Original Post was on October 4, 2011. There have been 1405 posts, and 12,575 views. This might be some kind of record breaker.


Who asked, shitstain?

Most posters would be embarrassed at the way I publicly nailed you for not understanding that La Raza has, among it's purposes, is for turning the U. S. Border States into province of Mexico known as Aztlan. I am ready to nail you again anytime, but not in this serious thread. No one wants your unsubstantiated malarkey here. Start up off-topic and I will turn you into the moderators - next post. These are real posters here, and I am not going to let you mess up this thread for them. I am done messing with you.

The subject of this thread is, "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows."​

You really DON'T have a problem appropriating other people's stuff do ya Sheriff? As if YOU started the thread or were nominated to run it.. Again -- i'm stuck on the absolute arrogance (no other way to describe it) of your attitudes and the "movement" assuming the role of speaking for the rest of us...
 
Or is Bank of America about to get nailed to the cross of (corporate) gold?

"Bloomberg News to join Occupation Movement?

"This is from the Columbia Journalism Review which quotes Bloomberg News regarding B of AÂ’s moving the derivates acquired in the Merrill Lynch deal to the FDIC insured deposit company Bank of America.

“At base, the question here is why is Bank of America only now moving these derivatives to its depositary institution and why the Fed is willing to help it do so, despite the fact that its own rules are designed to prevent it."

Meet the Bankers: Ken Lewis | Occupy Los Angeles
 
Because in the case of ballot access barriers -- it's CLEAR that power has been usurped in order to maintain the cozy 2 party monopoly. Can't blame wealth, or corporations or Wall Street there --- can we???

No, but I don't think I would blame ballot access, either. Our Constitution mandates something that almost requires a two-party system, which is the single-winner, by-district election of Representatives. When there can be only one winner in your district, it becomes sensible to vote for the lesser of two evils. Otherwise, you just contribute to the chance of the greater evil winning the election.

If you look at countries with strong multi-party political cultures, you'll find that they also all have proportional representation rather than single-winner elections. With proportional rep, your vote for a minor party actually counts provided they reach a certain threshold.

Anyway -- the idea that "redistributing wealth downward" is all that is required is still not logical or rational.

Yes it is, you're just not understanding the rationale behind it, and also I probably haven't made it clear exactly what I'm talking about.

It comes down, once again, to demand. All ideas that work at propping up any part of the supply side of the equation are wrong-headed, not because the supply side isn't important but because, in a market-driven economy, it takes care of itself. That's what a capitalist economy does well. The attention of government needs to go to where a capitalist economy doesn't do so well and tends to shoot itself in the foot. Or, to put it another way, government needs to do what the people can't do so well for themselves on an individual basis.

Where capitalism repeatedly screws the pooch is that it concentrates too much wealth into too few hands. It forms too much capital, leading to an imbalance between capital and consumption where they need to be balanced. Income gaps tend to become too high. Government needs to address this by adopting policies that promote full employment at high wages.

When that happens, people have more money to spend, and there is a better balance between capital and consumption so that more capital is invested in the production of goods and services and less in financial shell-games, rent-seeking, bubble-blowing, and economic strip-mining. All of that promotes economic health, as we can see from the four decades when such policies were actually in place.

We don't need to focus on HOW to "create high tech jobs for the 21st century." The ability exists to do so within a market economy. We just have to make sure the motivation is present, by keeping wages high and income gaps narrow.

By the way, if you want to consider a truly radical, cut-the-Gordian-knot solution to the corruption we find in today's politics, go to the link in my signature and check out that short e-book.
 
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As an aside. This thread is extremely popular. The Original Post was on October 4, 2011. There have been 1405 posts, and 12,575 views. This might be some kind of record breaker.


Who asked, shitstain?

Most posters would be embarrassed at the way I publicly nailed you for not understanding that La Raza has, among it's purposes, is for turning the U. S. Border States into province of Mexico known as Aztlan. ]



If your little imaginary world had anything to do with reality that comment might mean something. Instead, it is just more typical pointless and dishonest bullshit from one of the most deeply idiotic and morally hollow individuals ever to stain the internet. You are an absolute waste of humanity, you worthless piece of crap.
 
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The laws only works for those who has government support

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Another example of how much rightwingnuts are freaking out over this:


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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
You might better post that on a thread that has anything to do with President Obama, Muddie. Contrary to your persistent delusions, this one doesn't.
 
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