Obstruction of Justice Thread and Poll

[Oldstyle]

They probably alledgedly lied as you claim, because they felt that they were being set up. If enough people start saying something is wrong, then people start believing it is wrong even if it isn't wrong..

I would lie to if I was the victim of a witch Hunt.

At least two of them denied contact with the russians before the fbi investigation was even announced.

The only people who knew talking to the russians was bad, were the russians, and the americans they were colluding with.

I'm curious, RR...are you claiming that people in the Obama Administration didn't talk to Russians? In the Bush Administration? In the Clinton Administration? The truth is...people in ALL of those administrations talked to the Russians. They're a super power. We're a super power. Super powers talk to each other...it's what they DO! It wasn't wrong when Hillary was talking to the Russians about uranium deals...why is it suddenly wrong because someone from the Trump administration is talking to them now?

 

[JoeMoma]

You people are hilarious... The ultimate conspiracy theories abound with you people, but now it's turned deadly. First it was the cops, now it's Congressman and Republicans that have become a target of the vitriol..

The problem is that the collusion investigations didn't start out as a political witch hunt as Trump would like you to believe. It started out in the 17 intelligence agencies monitoring how the Russians were interfering with the election, and in the process of monitoring what the russians were up to, found too many communications between high level russians, and Trump campaign associates to just be a coincidence.

To make it worse, when questioned about those communications, to a man, they all denied their conversations. Not knowing the NSA was listening into what the Russins were up to, and that they were caught on the other end of the wiretap.

. Ok, so they were communicating with the Russians, now was that a crime ?? Have to prove there was collusion, but so far crickets. The whole Russian thing was brought on by Clinton thinking that her campaign was under attack by the Russians because of the leaks right, but they haven't proven that yet right ?? I mean in the confusion there was alot of finger pointing by (the Dems), who were doing heavy damage control because of the leaks that wiki-leaks was producing on them that were true... You know the leaks in which turned out to be true right ? Ok, so the Dems survived the leaks at the time, just like Trump survived the tape they hit him with in what they thought was a strategic time, but Comey hit them harder with the email investigation, and Hillary figured that the Comey release was the straw that broke the camel's back, and of course put Trump in the driver's seat fair and square. Then you had the melt down, and all the crying and knashing of teeth by the left, and by the establishment who felt threatened by it all.

Perhaps Comey was the one colluding with the Russians. Consider the timing of reopening the email investigation! Hmmmmmmmm.

 

[radical right]

The whole "birther" thing was spawned by Obama's lies about where he was born when he was applying for student aid in college, Eddie!

Obama produced his hawaii birth certificate (short form) when applying for college, and for a drivers license.

Wanna try again?

 

[radical right]

I'm curious, RR...are you claiming that people in the Obama Administration didn't talk to Russians? In the Bush Administration?

I'm sure both administrations made hundreds if not thousands of phone calls, e-mails, diplomatic cables, and the like to the Russians at all levels. And every one of them were reported to and approved by their agencies.

 

[oreo]

Nope just like a courtroom where a defendent can be charged with several different crimes--found guilty of one, innocent of another--etc. etc. Obstruction of Justice is a stand alone crime, and is not dependent on being found guilty of any other crime.

DEFINITION OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
"Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsified, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under Title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."
Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

You have not elected a King or Dictator. Trump swore an oath to the U.S. Constitution--and he will be treated like any other citizen when it comes to criminal acts.

Nixon tried the same thing--firing people who knew too much-- and it didn't end well for him.


WashingtonPost.com: Nixon Forces Firing of Cox; Richardson, Ruckelshaus Quit
Saturday Night Massacre - Wikipedia

Watergate took 2 years 2 months before Nixon resigned. This investigation is moving at the speed of light in comparison.

An innocent President will not impede any investigation--because they want to clear themselves of any wrong-doing.

Trump admitted to Obstruction of Justice during an NBC interview with Jake Tapper.
Trump said he was thinking of Russia controversy when he decided to fire Comey

Scroll back to post # 357 on this thread, spend some time watching video's and reading, because it's clear that whomever you're watching or listening too isn't informing you. I assume that would be FOX News and right wing talk show hosts--whom are in full panic spin mode.

I keep hearing this same narrative from you on the left...that Trump has "admitted" to obstruction because he said that he was thinking of the Russia controversy when he decided to fire Comey. Here's the glaring problem with that...if Trump is thinking about Comey's reluctance to come out and say that Trump wasn't the subject of an FBI investigation in public and THAT was the reason he decided to can him...then this has nothing to do with obstruction of justice and everything to do with a President and an FBI Director not seeing eye to eye on something else! After watching Comey play games with Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton to declare that the investigation into Hillary Clinton was simply an FBI "matter" so that Hillary could claim she wasn't under investigation by the FBI, is it any wonder that Trump would be annoyed that Comey would assure him in private that he wasn't under investigation but not state that in public? I think Comey got fired for THAT...not to obstruct any investigation into Trump and my proof of that is simple...the investigations didn't stop...as proven by testimony of the new acting head of the FBI!

I love it the way you right wingers always try and revert the topic back to Hillary Clinton. Your right wing talk show hosts do the same. LOOK--all the emails you can drag up--along with 8 investigations into Benghazi don't hold a match stick to Treason, Obstruction & Lies. Robert Mueller is the one that just decided to put Obstruction of Justice on the ticket, not Comey.
Donald Trump under investigation for potential obstruction of justice – reports

Trump at first used how Comey treated Hillary Clinton as the excuse to fire Comey--which is laughable. All his surrogates where chanting the same thing. Then he goes on NBC a couple of days later, didn't stick with that narrative and admitted to Obstruction of Justice. As Bill Mayer stated he is "deep throat"--referring to the FBI agent that secretly met with Washington Post reporters over Watergate. Apparently when the news came out that Trump was under investigation for Obstruction of Justice, FOX News spent the entire night stating he wasn't, it's just FAKE NEWS, and the next day Trump admits it, in a tweet. He does this all of the time.

I am certain that all White House advisers along with his lawyers have told him to stay away from interviews and his dam tweeter account--but he hasn't listened yet. He's never going to listen, and here's why.
A neuroscientist explains: Trump has a mental disorder that makes him a dangerous world leader

Post # 357 on this thread explains it all.

LOL...what did you think Mueller was going to investigate, Oreo? Collusion is pretty much DOA...you Trump haters on the left have been pushing that since last summer and you've come up with zero proof it happened! Once you realized that dog wasn't going to hunt you started screaming about obstruction of justice because Trump fired Comey...that despite the fact that Trump A) never ordered Comey to stop investigating anyone, B) told Comey that he was fine with the FBI investigating his "satellites", and C) has the legal right to fire the FBI Director at his discretion! The only thing Mueller HAS to investigate right now IS the alleged obstruction of justice and it's obvious he has no choice but to do so or you snowflakes will scream bloody murder about cover-ups! So he'll investigate and guess what he'll come up with? Nothing. Why? Because obstruction of justice never took place. This whole narrative borders on farce.

You'd best start coming up with something else for Mueller to look into, little buddy because right now...you've sent him into a round room and told him to pee in the corner!

Keep dreaming--post 357 explains it all with video and links. Yes Trump did tell Comey to look the other way on Michael Flynn with this statement:

President Donald Trump asked James Comey to end the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a request documented in a memo written by the former FBI director, according to sources familiar with the matter. "I hope you can let this go," Comey wrote, quoting Trump in the document, which CNN has not viewed but which was described by the sources.

Comey memo: Trump asked Comey to end Flynn investigation - CNNPolitics.com

Two private meetings & 6 phone calls later, Trump fired Comey. Because Comey didn't let it go. Which Trump admitted too, in an NBC interview with Lester Holt. (The reason he fired Comey was because of the Russian investigation.) That is Obstruction of Justice.

The president, however, has now admitted that those defenses are wrong. In an interview with NBC News’ Lester Holt yesterday, Trump admitted he was motivated by concerns about the Russia scandal when he decided to oust Comey from his FBI post.
“[W]hen I decided to just do it [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story.” About the same time as the interview, Trump’s spokesperson also told reporters that by firing Comey, the White House has “taken steps” to end the investigation into the Russia scandal.

Trump's admission bolsters allegations of obstruction of justice

So I think the only person that will be peeing in the corner is you. James Clapper says this is a 1000 times worse than Watergate--which is true. Because it involves collusion with a foreign adversary, Russia, and Julian Assange (wikileaks founder) who has just been labeled a HOSTILE intelligence source of this nation, that frequently works with Russia that recently leaked 1000's of classified CIA documents informing terrorists the tactics used to catch them.
James Clapper says Watergate scandal "pales" in comparison with Russian claims - CBS News
CIA director Mike Pompeo says WikiLeaks is a hostile intelligence service.

And we know who loves Julian Assange



Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact one…

So get out your crayons and coloring books, turn on your FOX News, and keep listening to all of your right wing talk show hosts, you're in for one hell of a ride.

You keep repeating the same thing, Oreo and pretending it means obstruction of justice. I'm sorry but "hoping" someone does something isn't the same as "ordering" someone to do something! I know you WANT it to...but it doesn't !

When someone who is accused of Obstruction of Justice, admits Obstruction of Justice in a televised interview, it's Obstruction of Justice.

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsified, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under Title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

 

[Oldstyle]

I keep hearing this same narrative from you on the left...that Trump has "admitted" to obstruction because he said that he was thinking of the Russia controversy when he decided to fire Comey. Here's the glaring problem with that...if Trump is thinking about Comey's reluctance to come out and say that Trump wasn't the subject of an FBI investigation in public and THAT was the reason he decided to can him...then this has nothing to do with obstruction of justice and everything to do with a President and an FBI Director not seeing eye to eye on something else! After watching Comey play games with Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton to declare that the investigation into Hillary Clinton was simply an FBI "matter" so that Hillary could claim she wasn't under investigation by the FBI, is it any wonder that Trump would be annoyed that Comey would assure him in private that he wasn't under investigation but not state that in public? I think Comey got fired for THAT...not to obstruct any investigation into Trump and my proof of that is simple...the investigations didn't stop...as proven by testimony of the new acting head of the FBI!

I love it the way you right wingers always try and revert the topic back to Hillary Clinton. Your right wing talk show hosts do the same. LOOK--all the emails you can drag up--along with 8 investigations into Benghazi don't hold a match stick to Treason, Obstruction & Lies. Robert Mueller is the one that just decided to put Obstruction of Justice on the ticket, not Comey.
Donald Trump under investigation for potential obstruction of justice – reports

Trump at first used how Comey treated Hillary Clinton as the excuse to fire Comey--which is laughable. All his surrogates where chanting the same thing. Then he goes on NBC a couple of days later, didn't stick with that narrative and admitted to Obstruction of Justice. As Bill Mayer stated he is "deep throat"--referring to the FBI agent that secretly met with Washington Post reporters over Watergate. Apparently when the news came out that Trump was under investigation for Obstruction of Justice, FOX News spent the entire night stating he wasn't, it's just FAKE NEWS, and the next day Trump admits it, in a tweet. He does this all of the time.

I am certain that all White House advisers along with his lawyers have told him to stay away from interviews and his dam tweeter account--but he hasn't listened yet. He's never going to listen, and here's why.
A neuroscientist explains: Trump has a mental disorder that makes him a dangerous world leader

Post # 357 on this thread explains it all.

LOL...what did you think Mueller was going to investigate, Oreo? Collusion is pretty much DOA...you Trump haters on the left have been pushing that since last summer and you've come up with zero proof it happened! Once you realized that dog wasn't going to hunt you started screaming about obstruction of justice because Trump fired Comey...that despite the fact that Trump A) never ordered Comey to stop investigating anyone, B) told Comey that he was fine with the FBI investigating his "satellites", and C) has the legal right to fire the FBI Director at his discretion! The only thing Mueller HAS to investigate right now IS the alleged obstruction of justice and it's obvious he has no choice but to do so or you snowflakes will scream bloody murder about cover-ups! So he'll investigate and guess what he'll come up with? Nothing. Why? Because obstruction of justice never took place. This whole narrative borders on farce.

You'd best start coming up with something else for Mueller to look into, little buddy because right now...you've sent him into a round room and told him to pee in the corner!

Keep dreaming--post 357 explains it all with video and links. Yes Trump did tell Comey to look the other way on Michael Flynn with this statement:

President Donald Trump asked James Comey to end the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a request documented in a memo written by the former FBI director, according to sources familiar with the matter. "I hope you can let this go," Comey wrote, quoting Trump in the document, which CNN has not viewed but which was described by the sources.

Comey memo: Trump asked Comey to end Flynn investigation - CNNPolitics.com

Two private meetings & 6 phone calls later, Trump fired Comey. Because Comey didn't let it go. Which Trump admitted too, in an NBC interview with Lester Holt. (The reason he fired Comey was because of the Russian investigation.) That is Obstruction of Justice.

The president, however, has now admitted that those defenses are wrong. In an interview with NBC News’ Lester Holt yesterday, Trump admitted he was motivated by concerns about the Russia scandal when he decided to oust Comey from his FBI post.
“[W]hen I decided to just do it [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story.” About the same time as the interview, Trump’s spokesperson also told reporters that by firing Comey, the White House has “taken steps” to end the investigation into the Russia scandal.

Trump's admission bolsters allegations of obstruction of justice

So I think the only person that will be peeing in the corner is you. James Clapper says this is a 1000 times worse than Watergate--which is true. Because it involves collusion with a foreign adversary, Russia, and Julian Assange (wikileaks founder) who has just been labeled a HOSTILE intelligence source of this nation, that frequently works with Russia that recently leaked 1000's of classified CIA documents informing terrorists the tactics used to catch them.
James Clapper says Watergate scandal "pales" in comparison with Russian claims - CBS News
CIA director Mike Pompeo says WikiLeaks is a hostile intelligence service.

And we know who loves Julian Assange



Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact one…

So get out your crayons and coloring books, turn on your FOX News, and keep listening to all of your right wing talk show hosts, you're in for one hell of a ride.

You keep repeating the same thing, Oreo and pretending it means obstruction of justice. I'm sorry but "hoping" someone does something isn't the same as "ordering" someone to do something! I know you WANT it to...but it doesn't !

When someone who is accused of Obstruction of Justice, admits Obstruction of Justice in a televised interview, it's Obstruction of Justice.

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsified, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under Title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

And when was it that Trump admitted to obstruction of justice? He admitted that he was firing Comey because of how he was handling the Russian investigation but you have zero idea whether that was because Comey wouldn't stop investigating Flynn or whether it was because Comey wouldn't go public with the fact that Trump himself wasn't being investigated by the FBI! What you've DONE...is assume you know why Comey was fired when you have no idea why that happened!

 

[Oldstyle]

By the way...read your definition of "obstruction of justice" one more time, Oreo! If that doesn't fit what Hillary Clinton did with her emails...I don't know what does!

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm curious, RR...are you claiming that people in the Obama Administration didn't talk to Russians? In the Bush Administration?

I'm sure both administrations made hundreds if not thousands of phone calls, e-mails, diplomatic cables, and the like to the Russians at all levels. And every one of them were reported to and approved by their agencies.

And I'm quite sure that hundreds of them were not! Are you really that naive that you don't know that there is constant back channel communications between governments and diplomats?

 

[Oldstyle]

Let me guess...you think Hillary reported every conversation she had with every Russian when she was negotiating her pay for play deal with our uranium?

 

[Oldstyle]

The whole "birther" thing was spawned by Obama's lies about where he was born when he was applying for student aid in college, Eddie!

Obama produced his hawaii birth certificate (short form) when applying for college, and for a drivers license.

Wanna try again?

You've seen Obama's college records, RR? Really? Nobody else has! They're a more tightly guarded secret than our nuclear launch codes! Ever wonder why that is?

 

[oreo]

The whole "birther" thing was spawned by Obama's lies about where he was born when he was applying for student aid in college, Eddie!

Obama produced his hawaii birth certificate (short form) when applying for college, and for a drivers license.

Wanna try again?

You've seen Obama's college records, RR? Really? Nobody else has! They're a more tightly guarded secret than our nuclear launch codes! Ever wonder why that is?

Hillary Clinton and Obama aren't in this picture. All eyeballs are now focused on the Ass Clown you have installed into the Oval office. And it's not looking good for him. Watergate took 2 years, 2 months before Nixon resigned, and these investigations are moving at the speed of light compared to Watergate.

You really couldn't have given Democrats a more powerful weapon than electing Trump. A weapon that they're going to ride to hell and back with. Trump will destroy the Republican party. Republicans have two options. 1. To remove Trump asap or 2. burn down the entire party in 2018-2020 and beyond.

You have elected a Clown

And he has brought a Yuuuuggge circus with him.

For those of you that are interested into up to date information regarding Michael Flynn and this Russian investigation. Scroll back to post # 357 on this thread to watch video's and read links.

 

[easyt65]

Any evidence YET?

Any indictments yet?

 

[CowboyTed]

Apparently it's always illegal for a siting president to fire the FBI director. The FBI is always in the process of an investigation, thus the president cannot fire the FBI director without obstructing justice. **** the constitutional powers granted to the president.

Funny thing was, is that he fired Comey while Comey was supposedly conducting an investigation that didn't involve The President, but the progs say Comey was fired over an investigation that was being conducted against the President ? I'm confused.......

Comey - The president is not under investigation. End of story.

Let me help, Comey was investigating his buddy Mike Flynn... You can obstruct justice when you are not being investigated.

He then went on Television and told the whole world why he did it... That is as good as a confession... Add that with what he said to Comey directly and the Russians this looks open and shut case..

You can say he didn't know the law but he was quick to accuse Bill Clinton of breaking the law when he met Lynch (and Bill Clinton wasn't being investigated too). But the problem with him accusing Bill and Lynch is Lynch wasn't directly involved with the case, Comey wasn't fired for investigating Hillary and Comey admited that he did influance the election against Hillary...

 

[easyt65]

Apparently it's always illegal for a siting president to fire the FBI director. The FBI is always in the process of an investigation, thus the president cannot fire the FBI director without obstructing justice. **** the constitutional powers granted to the president.

Funny thing was, is that he fired Comey while Comey was supposedly conducting an investigation that didn't involve The President, but the progs say Comey was fired over an investigation that was being conducted against the President ? I'm confused.......

Comey - The president is not under investigation. End of story.

Let me help, Comey was investigating his buddy Mike Flynn... You can obstruct justice when you are not being investigated.

He then went on Television and told the whole world why he did it... That is as good as a confession... Add that with what he said to Comey directly and the Russians this looks open and shut case..

You can say he didn't know the law but he was quick to accuse Bill Clinton of breaking the law when he met Lynch (and Bill Clinton wasn't being investigated too). But the problem with him accusing Bill and Lynch is Lynch wasn't directly involved with the case, Comey wasn't fired for investigating Hillary and Comey admited that he did influance the election against Hillary...

Numerous US AGs declared the Clinton-Lynch meeting was highly UNETHICAL, and Comey testified it made him conclude Lynch would never allow an indictment of Hillary.

I have not read where anyone said the meeting alone constituted 'Obstruction'.

 

[Oldstyle]

The whole "birther" thing was spawned by Obama's lies about where he was born when he was applying for student aid in college, Eddie!

Obama produced his hawaii birth certificate (short form) when applying for college, and for a drivers license.

Wanna try again?

You've seen Obama's college records, RR? Really? Nobody else has! They're a more tightly guarded secret than our nuclear launch codes! Ever wonder why that is?

Hillary Clinton and Obama aren't in this picture. All eyeballs are now focused on the Ass Clown you have installed into the Oval office. And it's not looking good for him. Watergate took 2 years, 2 months before Nixon resigned, and these investigations are moving at the speed of light compared to Watergate.

You really couldn't have given Democrats a more powerful weapon than electing Trump. A weapon that they're going to ride to hell and back with. Trump will destroy the Republican party. Republicans have two options. 1. To remove Trump asap or 2. burn down the entire party in 2018-2020 and beyond.

You have elected a Clown

And he has brought a Yuuuuggge circus with him.

For those of you that are interested into up to date information regarding Michael Flynn and this Russian investigation. Scroll back to post # 357 on this thread to watch video's and read links.

I notice you didn't have a response to my point about Obama's college records...other than to say he's not "in this picture"...so I'm assuming you admit that it's pretty obvious they guarded those as jealously as they did because Barry got a little fast and loose with the truth when he was applying for school back in his "Choom Gang" days!

 

[Oldstyle]

As for Trump being a "gift" to the Democrats? I know you snowflakes are all excited about the thought of Trump being impeached but there's so little chance of that taking place it's amusing to watch all of you work yourself up into this frenzy of anticipation. While the Democrats are fixated on "getting" Trump...he'll keep on chipping away at things that American voters really care about...jobs and security while the Dems do nothing but "RESIST"! We'll see how that works out at the ballot box down the road. I have a sneaking suspicion it might not be the way you hope!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In the even Trump is subpoenaed, should he follow the Hillary Standard and delete all emails and hardware?

 

[eddiew]

Remember oldstyle trump saying obama wasn't a citizen ?? How one of the candidates father was responsible for killing JFK etc etc ?? Can't any of you republicans see the man is a degenerate liar who will say anything to benefit himself EVEN the lies about hillary?

The whole "birther" thing was spawned by Obama's lies about where he was born when he was applying for student aid in college, Eddie! Trump let himself get caught up in that whole conspiracy theory which was stupid. I couldn't care less where Barry was born...I simply never thought he had the experience to be an effective leader.

What lies about Hillary? Did you miss the part where Hillary denied all the information in the leaks, Eddie? Oh, that's right...SHE NEVER DID DENY IT!

OLD speaking of stupid
MAX BOOT: Donald Trump is proving too stupid to be president

 

[oreo]

In the even Trump is subpoenaed, should he follow the Hillary Standard and delete all emails and hardware?

They don't need emails and hardware, they have him on NBC during an interview with Lester Holt admitting Obstruction of Justice.
EXCLUSIVE: President Trump reveals he asked Comey whether he was under investigation

Scroll back to post 357 on this thread and you can work through the evidence they've collected.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In the even Trump is subpoenaed, should he follow the Hillary Standard and delete all emails and hardware?

They don't need emails and hardware, they have him on NBC during an interview with Lester Holt admitting Obstruction of Justice.
EXCLUSIVE: President Trump reveals he asked Comey whether he was under investigation

In Bucs90 Libtardian Theory of SpaceTimePolitics, Trump wasn't under investigation, therefore he obstructed justice