Obama's Plan To Use The Military Against American Citizens

[Bfgrn]

The difference between Nixon and Obama is one had honor and the other has not.

No Democrat president will ever resign. They've been lying to themselves for too long to ever entertain the notion.

Honor?

"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life. He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American people and the world."
Barry Goldwater

Yes, but he had a respect for the office that Obama doesn't have.

Respect for the office?? He was a despot.

Saturday Night Massacre

The Saturday Night Massacre was the term given by political commentators to U.S. President Richard Nixon's executive dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973 during the Watergate scandal.

When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon as evidence, the president initially refused to comply.

On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking U.S. Senator John C. Stennis to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Since Stennis was famously hard-of-hearing, Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job." Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.

 

[mudwhistle]

Honor?

"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life. He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American people and the world."
Barry Goldwater

Yes, but he had a respect for the office that Obama doesn't have.

Respect for the office?? He was a despot.

Saturday Night Massacre

The Saturday Night Massacre was the term given by political commentators to U.S. President Richard Nixon's executive dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973 during the Watergate scandal.

When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon as evidence, the president initially refused to comply.

On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking U.S. Senator John C. Stennis to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Since Stennis was famously hard-of-hearing, Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job." Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.

OMG!!!

Nixon fired someone!!!

He should have acted like Obama, and say he has full confidence in the guy, then ask for his resignation in private so he doesn't appear to be the bad guy.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yes, but he had a respect for the office that Obama doesn't have.

Respect for the office?? He was a despot.

Saturday Night Massacre

The Saturday Night Massacre was the term given by political commentators to U.S. President Richard Nixon's executive dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973 during the Watergate scandal.

When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon as evidence, the president initially refused to comply.

On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking U.S. Senator John C. Stennis to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Since Stennis was famously hard-of-hearing, Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job." Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.

OMG!!!

Nixon fired someone!!!

He should have acted like Obama, and say he has full confidence in the guy, then ask for his resignation in private so he doesn't appear to be the bad guy.

WOW, you really are an idiot.

Nixon DISREGARDED the law, and tried to subvert a subpoena. First Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned. He finally got accomplice in crime Robert Bork to fire Cox.

 

[mudwhistle]

Respect for the office?? He was a despot.

Saturday Night Massacre

The Saturday Night Massacre was the term given by political commentators to U.S. President Richard Nixon's executive dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973 during the Watergate scandal.

When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon as evidence, the president initially refused to comply.

On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking U.S. Senator John C. Stennis to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Since Stennis was famously hard-of-hearing, Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job." Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.

OMG!!!

Nixon fired someone!!!

He should have acted like Obama, and say he has full confidence in the guy, then ask for his resignation in private so he doesn't appear to be the bad guy.

WOW, you really are an idiot.

Nixon DISREGARDED the law, and tried to subvert a subpoena. First Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned. He finally got accomplice in crime Robert Bork to fire Cox.

How exactly it happened is a point of contention. Back then we didn't have an alternative media to tell the whole story. I'm not going to argue this with you.

My guess is you believe Obama didn't know about any of these scandals until he heard it in the news too, and that Obama always negotiates in good faith with Republicans.

I'm not in the habit of calling people idiots because they're misinformed. Only when they're willfully-ignorant.

So spare me the insults.

 

[guno]

His use never exceeded the limits of Posse Comitatus which for all intents and purposes is dead under Herr Obama and his goose steppers. The irony is that during the Bush era, the democrats actually reversed a key portion of the Warren Defense Authorization Act but once their monkey is in charge, not a whimper. Traitors who deserve a traitor's death.

posse comitatus is insane BS...

get over yourselves. if you raise arms against the government, they should blow you off the planet.

rc christian will be standing there with his pop gun waving it around and yelling and then ka boom , bye bye RC!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

troubling policy that envisions the Obama administration’s potential use of military force against Americans should only worry outliers like far left socialist revolutionaries and far right wing nut militias.

Libertarians are chickens, as all know, so they are safe.

 

[natstew]

Compared to Benghazi, Watergate was a playground prank.

And what should we call the LBJ treachery that led to tens of thousands of American deaths in Vietnam? LBJ's Sec. Of Def. told LBJ prior to the 1964 election that the War in Vietnam was not winnable.
LBJ knows he will lose the election if he pulls out of a War that the American people were behind at the time. So to win an election LBJ sacrifices tens of thousands of American lives.
Later, after he had won the election LBJ said, "I will not go down in history as the first American President to lose a war", so he used the first Gulf Of Tonkin incident to conjure up another Gulf Of Tonkin incident and use it as justification to begin massive bombing raids into North Vietnam.

Hey Democrats, Vietnam is your "shining moment", you own it!!

 

[guno]

Compared to Benghazi, Watergate was a playground prank.

And what should we call the LBJ treachery that led to tens of thousands of American deaths in Vietnam? LBJ's Sec. Of Def. told LBJ prior to the 1964 election that the War in Vietnam was not winnable.
LBJ knows he will lose the election if he pulls out of a War that the American people were behind at the time. So to win an election LBJ sacrifices tens of thousands of American lives.
Later, after he had won the election LBJ said, "I will not go down in history as the first American President to lose a war", so he used the first Gulf Of Tonkin incident to conjure up another Gulf Of Tonkin incident and use it as justification to begin massive bombing raids into North Vietnam.

Hey Democrats, Vietnam is your "shining moment", you own it!!

Ah, another Benghazi syndrome loon

 

[mudwhistle]

His use never exceeded the limits of Posse Comitatus which for all intents and purposes is dead under Herr Obama and his goose steppers. The irony is that during the Bush era, the democrats actually reversed a key portion of the Warren Defense Authorization Act but once their monkey is in charge, not a whimper. Traitors who deserve a traitor's death.

posse comitatus is insane BS...

get over yourselves. if you raise arms against the government, they should blow you off the planet.

rc christian will be standing there with his pop gun waving it around and yelling and then ka boom , bye bye RC!!

So now one guy with a gun is a joke.

Why is it every time some lone crazy kid with a gun kills a bunch of people in a gun-free zone you guys lose your shit?

 

[SteadyMercury]

My guess is he plans on doing much worse before he leaves office, and he's going to have all of the legal means he needs already in place. He's already replaced most of the leadership in the military with his own guys.

It's happened in other countries, and as long as we sit back and allow it to happen, it will happen here.

Love this particular brand of tin-hattery, because there is always a distinct timeline by which you can return to the thread to rub chicken little's beak in it on how stupid and paranoid they were.

 

[Bfgrn]

OMG!!!

Nixon fired someone!!!

He should have acted like Obama, and say he has full confidence in the guy, then ask for his resignation in private so he doesn't appear to be the bad guy.

WOW, you really are an idiot.

Nixon DISREGARDED the law, and tried to subvert a subpoena. First Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned. He finally got accomplice in crime Robert Bork to fire Cox.

How exactly it happened is a point of contention. Back then we didn't have an alternative media to tell the whole story. I'm not going to argue this with you.

My guess is you believe Obama didn't know about any of these scandals until he heard it in the news too, and that Obama always negotiates in good faith with Republicans.

I'm not in the habit of calling people idiots because they're misinformed. Only when they're willfully-ignorant.

So spare me the insults.

Therein lies your problem. That 'alternative media' is not based in truth. It is based in propaganda that ALWAYS sides with the right...ALWAYS.

THINK man...ANY media that says ALL our problems come from the left and ALL our solutions come from the right is EXTREMELY bias.

"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox. And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush

Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries says the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

 

[Asclepias]

I'm still waiting for the POTUS to reveal he is the anti-Christ. That would convince me he was part of the NWO.

 

[mudwhistle]

WOW, you really are an idiot.

Nixon DISREGARDED the law, and tried to subvert a subpoena. First Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned. He finally got accomplice in crime Robert Bork to fire Cox.

How exactly it happened is a point of contention. Back then we didn't have an alternative media to tell the whole story. I'm not going to argue this with you.

My guess is you believe Obama didn't know about any of these scandals until he heard it in the news too, and that Obama always negotiates in good faith with Republicans.

I'm not in the habit of calling people idiots because they're misinformed. Only when they're willfully-ignorant.

So spare me the insults.

Therein lies your problem. That 'alternative media' is not based in truth. It is based in propaganda that ALWAYS sides with the right...ALWAYS.

THINK man...ANY media that says ALL our problems come from the left and ALL our solutions come from the right is EXTREMELY bias.

"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox. And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush

Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries says the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

I think these people you're quoting are a bit biased.

David Frum wrote the "Axis of Evil" speech that the left used against Bush, and also supports gun control.......which to me means he's sold out to the left.

Ray McGovern is stating his opinion, not fact. Since he is an expert on the Soviet Union, his mindset is more along those lines.

The alternative media isn't just Fox News, yet they are constantly under attack from the left. Fox coverage needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Not everything they say is gospel. They simply report everything, not the censored version that MSNBC and others report. Most of the time, liberals don't even know who said what. Many college students couldn't even tell you what Benghazi is, mainly because the MSM won't report on it, or keeps any reports limited to a few seconds and then it's on to something else.

 

[Bfgrn]

How exactly it happened is a point of contention. Back then we didn't have an alternative media to tell the whole story. I'm not going to argue this with you.

My guess is you believe Obama didn't know about any of these scandals until he heard it in the news too, and that Obama always negotiates in good faith with Republicans.

I'm not in the habit of calling people idiots because they're misinformed. Only when they're willfully-ignorant.

So spare me the insults.

Therein lies your problem. That 'alternative media' is not based in truth. It is based in propaganda that ALWAYS sides with the right...ALWAYS.

THINK man...ANY media that says ALL our problems come from the left and ALL our solutions come from the right is EXTREMELY bias.

"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox. And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush

Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries says the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

I think these people you're quoting are a bit biased.

David Frum wrote the "Axis of Evil" speech that the left used against Bush, and also supports gun control.......which to me means he's sold out to the left.

Ray McGovern is stating his opinion, not fact. Since he is an expert on the Soviet Union, his mindset is more along those lines.

The alternative media isn't just Fox News, yet they are constantly under attack from the left. Fox coverage needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Not everything they say is gospel. They simply report everything, not the censored version that MSNBC and others report. Most of the time, liberals don't even know who said what. Many college students couldn't even tell you what Benghazi is, mainly because the MSM won't report on it, or keeps any reports limited to a few seconds and then it's on to something else.

And no matter how hard Fox and right wing 'alternative media' tries, and Republicans waste taxpayers money on investigations, Benghazi is NOT a scandal.

 

[mudwhistle]

Therein lies your problem. That 'alternative media' is not based in truth. It is based in propaganda that ALWAYS sides with the right...ALWAYS.

THINK man...ANY media that says ALL our problems come from the left and ALL our solutions come from the right is EXTREMELY bias.

"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox. And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush

Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries says the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

I think these people you're quoting are a bit biased.

David Frum wrote the "Axis of Evil" speech that the left used against Bush, and also supports gun control.......which to me means he's sold out to the left.

Ray McGovern is stating his opinion, not fact. Since he is an expert on the Soviet Union, his mindset is more along those lines.

The alternative media isn't just Fox News, yet they are constantly under attack from the left. Fox coverage needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Not everything they say is gospel. They simply report everything, not the censored version that MSNBC and others report. Most of the time, liberals don't even know who said what. Many college students couldn't even tell you what Benghazi is, mainly because the MSM won't report on it, or keeps any reports limited to a few seconds and then it's on to something else.

And no matter how hard Fox and right wing 'alternative media' tries, and Republicans waste taxpayers money on investigations, Benghazi is NOT a scandal.

So says you.

Benghazi itself is an example of the careless attitude of this administration. It could happen to anyone who believes that appearances are more important than security.

The lie they created to provide cover for their screw ups is the real scandal. The fact that they went on TV and repeated what they knew to be a lie several times, and even Obama gave a speech in front of the United Nations repeating this lie is the scandal, along with the stonewalling and the coverups ever since. This is the scandal.

They would have been better served to have admitted their mistakes and learned from them, but this administration never admits to anything, thus they never learn. They are a disaster waiting to happen at every turn and every level of government.

 

[Bfgrn]

I think these people you're quoting are a bit biased.

David Frum wrote the "Axis of Evil" speech that the left used against Bush, and also supports gun control.......which to me means he's sold out to the left.

Ray McGovern is stating his opinion, not fact. Since he is an expert on the Soviet Union, his mindset is more along those lines.

The alternative media isn't just Fox News, yet they are constantly under attack from the left. Fox coverage needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Not everything they say is gospel. They simply report everything, not the censored version that MSNBC and others report. Most of the time, liberals don't even know who said what. Many college students couldn't even tell you what Benghazi is, mainly because the MSM won't report on it, or keeps any reports limited to a few seconds and then it's on to something else.

And no matter how hard Fox and right wing 'alternative media' tries, and Republicans waste taxpayers money on investigations, Benghazi is NOT a scandal.

So says you.

Benghazi itself is an example of the careless attitude of this administration. It could happen to anyone who believes that appearances are more important than security.

The lie they created to provide cover for their screw ups is the real scandal. The fact that they went on TV and repeated what they knew to be a lie several times, and even Obama gave a speech in front of the United Nations repeating this lie is the scandal, along with the stonewalling and the coverups ever since. This is the scandal.

They would have been better served to have admitted their mistakes and learned from them, but this administration never admits to anything, thus they never learn. They are a disaster waiting to happen at every turn and every level of government.

If you don't want to be 'insulted', stop parroting the false right wing narrative.

You are making insinuations that you can't back up. You 'claim' a careless attitude, yet what 'attitude' do you label Republicans with for cutting funding for embassy security?

There was no lie 'created'. The President called it a “act of terror” the following day.

And we now know from a NY Times months long investigation the attack “was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam”.

How many feet on the ground in Benghazi, Libya did Fox News place to investigate the attack?

 

[mudwhistle]

And no matter how hard Fox and right wing 'alternative media' tries, and Republicans waste taxpayers money on investigations, Benghazi is NOT a scandal.

So says you.

Benghazi itself is an example of the careless attitude of this administration. It could happen to anyone who believes that appearances are more important than security.

The lie they created to provide cover for their screw ups is the real scandal. The fact that they went on TV and repeated what they knew to be a lie several times, and even Obama gave a speech in front of the United Nations repeating this lie is the scandal, along with the stonewalling and the coverups ever since. This is the scandal.

They would have been better served to have admitted their mistakes and learned from them, but this administration never admits to anything, thus they never learn. They are a disaster waiting to happen at every turn and every level of government.

If you don't want to be 'insulted', stop parroting the false right wing narrative.

You are making insinuations that you can't back up. You 'claim' a careless attitude, yet what 'attitude' do you label Republicans with for cutting funding for embassy security?

There was no lie 'created'. The President called it a “act of terror” the following day.

And we now know from a NY Times months long investigation the attack “was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam”.

How many feet on the ground in Benghazi, Libya did Fox News place to investigate the attack?

Dude, I've already seen Hillary's carelessness before, first hand.

It's a Clinton trait. While in Somalia the Clintons felt it would look bad if they allowed us to drive around a hostile city in armored vehicles. They felt that Muslims would be offended. They were more concerned about offending Muslims than protecting their own troops they put in harms way.

They chose to start gluing Kevlar plates in the wheel wells of our Hummers so that they wouldn't be noticed. Inside of the vehicles they velcroed Kevlar blankets which pretty much came loose under fire and smacked into us when a bullet hit the doors. The bullet-proof glass they put in our windows were easily pierced when an AK round hit it. Every one of those Rangers and Delta Operators that died on Oct 3rd 1993 died because they had no armored vehicles when thousands of Somalis started shooting at them.

The reason all of this was so fucked up is we were the only troops that didn't have armor.

Everyone else had it. Canada, Pakistan, the French, everyone in the UN command had armor.....except the Americans.

Like I said, I've seen this act before....first hand.

 

[Bfgrn]

So says you.

Benghazi itself is an example of the careless attitude of this administration. It could happen to anyone who believes that appearances are more important than security.

The lie they created to provide cover for their screw ups is the real scandal. The fact that they went on TV and repeated what they knew to be a lie several times, and even Obama gave a speech in front of the United Nations repeating this lie is the scandal, along with the stonewalling and the coverups ever since. This is the scandal.

They would have been better served to have admitted their mistakes and learned from them, but this administration never admits to anything, thus they never learn. They are a disaster waiting to happen at every turn and every level of government.

If you don't want to be 'insulted', stop parroting the false right wing narrative.

You are making insinuations that you can't back up. You 'claim' a careless attitude, yet what 'attitude' do you label Republicans with for cutting funding for embassy security?

There was no lie 'created'. The President called it a “act of terror” the following day.

And we now know from a NY Times months long investigation the attack “was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam”.

How many feet on the ground in Benghazi, Libya did Fox News place to investigate the attack?

Dude, I've already seen Hillary's carelessness before, first hand.

It's a Clinton trait. While in Somalia the Clintons felt it would look bad if they allowed us to drive around a hostile city in armored vehicles. They felt that Muslims would be offended. They were more concerned about offending Muslims than protecting their own troops they put in harms way.

They chose to start gluing Kevlar plates in the wheel wells of our Hummers so that they wouldn't be noticed. Inside of the vehicles they velcroed Kevlar blankets which pretty much came loose under fire and smacked into us when a bullet hit the doors. The bullet-proof glass they put in our windows were easily pierced when an AK round hit it. Every one of those Rangers and Delta Operators that died on Oct 3rd 1993 died because they had no armored vehicles when thousands of Somalis started shooting at them.

The reason all of this was so fucked up is we were the only troops that didn't have armor.

Everyone else had it. Canada, Pakistan, the French, everyone in the UN command had armor.....except the Americans.

Like I said, I've seen this act before....first hand.

AGAIN, you parrot right wing accusations you can't prove. Hillary and Bill don't install armor in vehicles. In 1993 Bill was the President and Hillary was the First Lady.

You continue to prove you are an idiot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Posse Comitatus Syndrome Disease (PCSD) is well represented on the Board.

 

[mudwhistle]

If you don't want to be 'insulted', stop parroting the false right wing narrative.

You are making insinuations that you can't back up. You 'claim' a careless attitude, yet what 'attitude' do you label Republicans with for cutting funding for embassy security?

There was no lie 'created'. The President called it a “act of terror” the following day.

And we now know from a NY Times months long investigation the attack “was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam”.

How many feet on the ground in Benghazi, Libya did Fox News place to investigate the attack?

Dude, I've already seen Hillary's carelessness before, first hand.

It's a Clinton trait. While in Somalia the Clintons felt it would look bad if they allowed us to drive around a hostile city in armored vehicles. They felt that Muslims would be offended. They were more concerned about offending Muslims than protecting their own troops they put in harms way.

They chose to start gluing Kevlar plates in the wheel wells of our Hummers so that they wouldn't be noticed. Inside of the vehicles they velcroed Kevlar blankets which pretty much came loose under fire and smacked into us when a bullet hit the doors. The bullet-proof glass they put in our windows were easily pierced when an AK round hit it. Every one of those Rangers and Delta Operators that died on Oct 3rd 1993 died because they had no armored vehicles when thousands of Somalis started shooting at them.

The reason all of this was so fucked up is we were the only troops that didn't have armor.

Everyone else had it. Canada, Pakistan, the French, everyone in the UN command had armor.....except the Americans.

Like I said, I've seen this act before....first hand.

AGAIN, you parrot right wing accusations you can't prove. Hillary and Bill don't install armor in vehicles. In 1993 Bill was the President and Hillary was the First Lady.

You continue to prove you are an idiot.

We requested armored vehicles and it was refused.

Yet a few months later Bubba gave the Pakistanis the very armor we requested. My team even trained them on the M113 APCs and the 50 Cal guns mounted on them.



You're right, Hillary and Bill didn't uparmor our vehicles. They authorized the Pentagon to do whatever they could to protect us without giving us what we really needed. No armor was authorized.

As is their habit, what they authorized fell short of the mission requirements.

This is what we requested:

This is all they would allow us to have:

Everyone else was driving around in something similar to this:

When Benghazi blew up, it just brought back bad memories. I said to myself "Hillary let those guys die on purpose because she wanted to put on a passive face!!".

You need to STFU bud. You don't know what I know. I talked to my commander and he told me what was going on.